Old 04-25-2013   #81
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How do you know that fitting a strap lug designed to support and hold the camera through all the ridiculous things that photographers do with straps and lugs, other accessories, is "... the least-complex, least precise component on the whole camera..."?
Because I know how an eyebolt works. Has gravity changed since 1954? I wasn't around, but I assume it works mostly the same way now as it did then.

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This is not a zero-sum proposition. No failure of mine can absolve them of theirs.
Additionally, I am not a corporation with people paid to engineer and test strap lugs, and I don't charge people $8k a pop for my work [yet]. Might be quite a few differences between me and Leica Camera AG that make us hard to compare, actually.
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Old 04-25-2013   #82
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Because I know how an eyebolt works. Has gravity changed since 1954? I wasn't around, but I assume it works mostly the same way now as it did then.
The strap lug is not an eyebolt, nor does it have anything to do with gravity. At one time, it was a threaded eye bolt, but that design changed many years ago as the threaded portion would come loose and require a substantial effort of disassembly to re-tighten or replace. The current strap lugs, last time I looked at a dismantled M body or a parts listing (see http://www.micro-tools.com/store/P-M...-Lug-Pair.aspx), are press-fit devices designed to lock into the body by an interference fit with or without an adhesive supplement. I would be surprised to hear they changed back to a threaded fastener as the general manufacturing trend is away from those sorts of things, for reliability and improved strength.

See? Strap lugs are not as simple as you might think.

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I think your summary is wildly inaccurate.

The M sensor is made by CMOSIS, located in Belgium. The sensors in M8 and M9 were made by Kodak and their contractors in the USA. Most of the supporting circuitry was built by Leica in their manufacturing facilities from components sourced world wide. Who wrote the firmware? I'm not sure, I doubt it was the Japanese as the Japanese most often contract with software development houses in other parts of the world for their firmware and software.

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Firmware was by Jenoptic (Germany), now by Leica. The Belgian Cmosis sensor is made in France on Dutch machines. The bodyshells and other mechanical parts are made by German subcontractors and by Leica in Portugal, where subassemblies are made and shipped to Germany to build. The processor is made exclusively by Fujitsu for Leica.
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I know why I've not been on this forum for some time now. This is the first article I've read for months and immediately the 'pond-life' surface and use it the have a bash at Leica. Pathetic.
I wish Nikon had admitted AF issues on the D800. Saved me buying new then sending it back for several weeks.
Leica shouldn't be bashed for this. It's a very responsible attitude. Still the 'pile 'em high, sell 'em cheap' brigade don't see further than that.

A dentist and their Leica's that always make me laugh - like all the photographers that risked their asses in war Zones with Nikon F's developing Nikon. Have you seen the sh*te some modern Nikons take now? Take a look, the webs full of it. If that's your skill level, I'm glad you didn't take up dentistry.
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it is quite friendly and far less emotional over at FSU. Strap lug issues never come up..well they would`nt really would they.
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The strap lug is not an eyebolt, nor does it have anything to do with gravity. At one time, it was a threaded eye bolt, but that design changed many years ago as the threaded portion would come loose and require a substantial effort of disassembly to re-tighten or replace. The current strap lugs, last time I looked at a dismantled M body or a parts listing (see http://www.micro-tools.com/store/P-M...-Lug-Pair.aspx), are press-fit devices designed to lock into the body by an interference fit with or without an adhesive supplement. I would be surprised to hear they changed back to a threaded fastener as the general manufacturing trend is away from those sorts of things, for reliability and improved strength.

See? Strap lugs are not as simple as you might think.

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You looked quite a while ago I guess . Modern strap-lugs are screwed from the inside by two screws. These screws are secured by Locktite. On some cameras the Locktite was omitted during the production process due to human error. That is what happens when one uses humans to produce cameras. Robots do not make this kind of error.We pay Leica a premium to use humans.....

Maybe QC should have picked this up but looking at it objectively it is not unreasonable that that did not. You cannot check each individual step and Locktite is not visible once the screw is tightened and cleaned.
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A dentist and their Leica's that always make me laugh - like all the photographers that risked their asses in war Zones with Nikon F's developing Nikon. Have you seen the sh*te some modern Nikons take now? Take a look, the webs full of it. If that's your skill level, I'm glad you didn't take up dentistry.
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I still don't know why someone chose a dentist as the typical Leica owner. Dentists are not even the highest paid doctors, so what do doctors use that earn the big money?
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I still don't know why someone chose a dentist as the typical Leica owner. Dentists are not even the highest paid doctors, so what do doctors use that earn the big money?
Me neither Tom. Bizarre isn't it

Now Footballers (soccer players) , that'd be more like it.

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Same stuff for people who prefer Leica's site:
http://en.leica-camera.com/news/news/1/10056.html
What happens if my Leica M (Typ 240) is damaged due to loose eyelets?

If your camera and/or lens were damaged due to this fault we will replace them free of charge.
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