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Old 03-20-2007   #41
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Everything zuiko - I started quite a conventionally with minolta 800si - good camera, but I don't want to touch it anymore after feeling of om4ti. Actually after I got om1 I almost stopped using minolta. Too many features in order to use them all, too large in order to take it everywhere. OMs are much smaller and genuine intuitive in usage. Image quality is comparable - and I compare to good MAF glass, like 50mm prime, tamron 90mm macro and 28-135 mm f4-4.5.
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Igor: I am very happy for you. Well, I'm envious of some of the Zuiko glass you have, especially that 50/2 macro. Man, I really want one of those!

I am shooting nearly all Zuiko/Kodak film tomorrow. The only non-Oly equipment I will use is a Mamiya 1000 DTL with some Russian and East German glass.
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Don't get me started on therapy, I talked with my Mother today and while I love her, there is not enough time or money! I lived in on El Mar, south west corner of Mt Read and Latta Rd. Paddy Hill School. Went to Arcadia HS and of course MCC.

Long to introduce my sons (or at least the older one) to a gut-bomb and as Mommy-dearist has moved out to Colorado, no reason not to visit. Never spent a lot of time in the FL, but the few trips were magic. NY is a great state, even when you add NYC into it. Lived there for 9 years in the 80s. Lots of camera stores there to cause serious GAS.

If I only had a clue in HS or college, I would have gotten a few Nikon SPs.......

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Trius, don't envy - I got 50mm f3.5, not f2
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Oddly enough, it seems that OM SLRs are at least as popular on RFF as the Olympus rangefinders.

This may not be the case if Olympus had jumped on the interchangeable lens RF bandwagon.

Once the SLRs were out, Olympus considered rangefinders to be a commoner's camera; not to be taken as seriously as the SLRs. Prior to the release of the OM system, their RFs were a little more high-end. (SP, for example)

I like my little Olympus RC; haven't seen pix from it yet, but I don't expect it to be quite on part with the OM1n. However, it is pocketable.
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BB2: If you make it to the area, be sure to let me know ... if I'm still here, of course. My wife grew up on Rumson Rd., went to Cardinal Mooney.

Igor: Well that's a great lens, too. A friend of mine had one, and used it regularly as his standard lens.

Jeremy: You're right, but that was the case with nearly every camera manufacturer that made the move to SLR. You may be surprised by the RC. If exposure is right, the sharpness will please you.
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Oh, I nearly forgot.

Forgive my "hitting for the other side", but OMs are way too versatile to be honorary rangefinders. ^_^

They're not as quiet, not as thin, and not as easy to hand-hold at slower shutter speeds, but other than that, they leave RFs in the dust.
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OM against the RF world - I was looking desperately for RF in price level of OM1/50mm normal (~100$) whch would compare in image quality to OM combo. I didn't succeed to get even close - even oly 35SP with its highly regarded lens is far behind (though low light perfromance is superior to any slr). Nothing beats OMs for price/performance and versatility - I got OM4ti/16mm fisheye/18mm(ugly)/28mm/50mm macro for less than M body alone would cost.
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Make a subsection!

Another vote here for an OM sub-section. I love my OM2n and I'm going nto buy a black OM1 when I get the chance.

I only have a 50 1.8 but I would like a 35, 34 and around 75-90

any more example pics from simular lenses?
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Which version of an OM1 should I be looking for? I want a black one, that's pretty much it. Won't ever use a flash or anything other than basic metering. I've never used a motor drive but maybe.
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I just came back from shooting an opera. Had my om4 with me (with 50 1.8 as I don't have another lense yet) and I had a few glances through the viewfinder to try some spot meter stuff. Well the problem is, that you can't see the readings, when the stage is nearly dark. Is there any solution for this? (Thought about some LED mounted via Hot-Shoe in front of the small window which captures the light for the readings.)
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Well the problem is, that you can't see the readings, when the stage is nearly dark. Is there any solution for this?
Do you have a manual for your OM4? If not, get one somehow.

For the mighty OM4, this is an easy situation. Either take multiple spot readings of your subjects and average them, (I think it does this automatically, when you take more than one spot reading) or take a highlight or shadow reading and let the light meter figure it out.

I haven't had my OM 4 for about 8 years, so the details may not be 100% accurate, but I believe if you press the 'shadow' button, it takes a spot reading at that time, and tells the camera's meter to bias this as a dark area. It adjust the exposure accordingly, automatically.
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Use the finder light?

OM4's have a viewfinder light. If you look on the side of the lens mount, just above the self timer, there is a button that, when pressed, illuminates the meter reading scale below the viewfinder.

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forgot that OM 16mm fisheye. For me it's more gimmick than real tool. Anybody has examp[les of creative usage of fisheye?
The 18mm will lend itself to photographs of your hand with something behind it that appears to be actually in the hand. I once did a photo of my wife with my hand close to the lens, and her standing back a ways from the lens, but looking like she was standing in my hand. You may have to try several times to get just what you want, or use something to steady your hand, but it is cute. Not an original idea either, I saw it somewhere, in a magazine as I recall.

My 18mm is a Spriratone in screw mount for my Yashica TL Super and my Fujica ST 901. I think the Fujica beat the OM1 out in smallness (I mean first. I don't remember how they compare size wise), and their lenses were very sharp, but just never got the credit they deserved. That was partly because of marketing I guess, and the fact they were screw mount rather than the "pro" bayonet mount lenses. To me the big advantage of the ST 901 was that it was AP auto-exposure as well as compact. I still love that camera and the Fuji lenses (50 1.4, 28 3.5, 135 3.5 and 50 3.5 macro) are still sharp.

That is not to take away from the OM1. The first ones I saw I liked. Nobody I knew in Korea at the time who had one wanted to get rid of it. Even I had a minor GAS attack but just couldn't afford another series/system of camera.
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oh thanks skip, I always thought this button was for unmounting (was wondering why two buttons have to be pressed). ok time to get a manual.
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Which version of an OM1 should I be looking for?
I'd go for an OM1n - the improvements over the OM1 are not great, but it will be a newer camera (possibly by quite a few years).
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Old 03-29-2007   #57
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Steamer: I agree, it's an honorary RF. Maitani was a big Leica fan, and that was in his mind when designing the OM system. For my next foray into stygian darkness photography, I'm going to shoot with an OM-1n, 21/2, Leitz 21mm finder and mirror locked up, scale focus, at slow speeds. As close to RF with an SLR as I can get.
Trius, you beat me to the 'history lesson'.

As for your available darkness work, I'd suggest a beanbag draped over the camera and lens. I'm a member of the "Zuikoholics Anonymous" list and we've found that aperture release can add a bit of vibration that can be reduced with a beanbag. OM4 and later models have aperture pre-release.

BTW, if any of you-all are interested in joining the OM list, here's the URL:

http://www.zuikoholic.com

We cover OM of course, but a lot of the regulars use a lot of gear and have a wide range of interests so those get discussed as well.

FWIW, I got into Olympus after starting a thread here at RFF that asked the question, "Which SLR is most like an RF?" We had a good time and learned a lot. I ended up getting a small OM kit and really like it.

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Scott: I used to belong to the OM list (as did GeneW and maybe some others here), but I unsubscribed nearly 2 years ago. The volume of posts was SO high, and a lot of it was OT at the time. I still email AGSchnozz and some others from time to time, especially if I need some information that I can't find in the eSIF.

As for the beanbag technique, which was a subject when I was subscribed, I'll be shooting in a pub and moving around, so that really wouldn't work. Thanks though.

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Yeah I also subscribed to the list a while ago, but there were really too much posts, so I unsubscribed soon. It would be great if the whole thing would run in a forum like this. Or why do they still use the mailing list method?
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Yeah I also subscribed to the list a while ago, but there were really too much posts, so I unsubscribed soon. It would be great if the whole thing would run in a forum like this. Or why do they still use the mailing list method?
The subject comes up periodically and the group invariably votes to retain the mailing list rather than create a forum. May be less expensive and certainly less work for the owner as well.

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nightfly: definitely go for the 'n' or 'MD' version of the OM1. Personally, I don't care that it can take a motor drive. But the improvements to the film advance are substantial, IMO. I've never seen a non 'n' version with properly-working film advance.

Igor: I was also struck by the comment about the SP lens not being as good as the prime 50mm f/1.8 lens. I had kind of assumed they would be equal, with maybe the rangefinder one being a bit better. (less complexity, closer to film plane) Any comments on this?
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Jeremy, my very subjective feeling is that OM 50mm is better than 35SP on close distances at f1.8-f5.8, while 35SP is better on infinity at f8-f16.
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Got back roll shot almost exclusively with OM 18mm - I like it. Almost no distortion, very usefull.
Interesting how this 30 years old lens compares to M-mount wides.
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Igor: I was also struck by the comment about the SP lens not being as good as the prime 50mm f/1.8 lens. I had kind of assumed they would be equal, with maybe the rangefinder one being a bit better. (less complexity, closer to film plane) Any comments on this?
FWIW, I'm always careful about comparing ANY lens/body, etc. unless it has been properly serviced/calibrated. True of older equipment of course and, sadly, a lot of the newer stuff as well.

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While I obviously think a lot of the 42/1.7 on the SP, I haven't done any structured comparison between it and the 50/1.8. The latest 42/1.8 lenses were probably produced around 1969, maybe even 1968. The last OM 50/1.8 miJs were produced nearly 30 years later. I would be very, very surprised if the 42/1.7 was equal or "better" than a late 50/1.8, at least significantly so. But it's an interesting question, probably calling for some tests.
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That's why I called it "my very subjective feeling", not even comparison.
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That's why I called it "my very subjective feeling", not even comparison.
Igor, my comment was general to this type of discussion and not specifically in reponse to you.

Based on personal experience, I'd rather have a mediocre lens that works well than an exceptional one that doesn't. That may sound painfully obvious, but I think a lot of gear (used AND new) is out of spec/calibration.

About a month ago I sent a lens back to a manufacturer's service department for repair and calibration under warranty. The repair was just mechanical (zoom mechanism replacement) but the calibration made a significant difference. Before having it serviced, I planned to get it fixed and sell it and put the $$ toward a more expensive lens in order to get better quality. It is SO much better since the service that I'll probably drop my plan and keep it and spend my money on other toys, er, tools.

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That's why I called it "my very subjective feeling", not even comparison.
That was good enough for me; it was just what I was looking for, information-wise. Short of blowing a bunch of film to prove it one way or the other, most of our lens opinions are subjective.

If the last SP lens was made around '69, and the first OM lens was made around '71, I suppose the OM lens might stand a good chance of being better. All my OM lenses are from probably '75 or so. (28/3.5, 50/1.8, 135/3.5, Tokina-Special 75-150/3.5) Looking through the finder, they look kind of yellowish; does that mean the coating's going bad?
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Yellowish? I'll have to check my OM lenses, but I don't think that is unusual. As far as I know, the only OM lens that yellowed significantly, with detrimental affect on performance, was the 55/1.2, which used a radioactive coating ... lanthanum if I remember.

And just to be clear, I do agree that it's all subjective wrt to lens "performance". My comment about the time span between production dates was latest to latest. I think the 42/1.7 is perhaps "better" than the original silver-nose OM F.ZUIKO 50/1.8. That iteration of 50/1.8 had its charms, but it wasn't the best of that line. The 50/1.8 miJ, the last version, is regarded as the "best", at least in terms of resolution, colour balance, contrast, etc. Again, all subjective.
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I agree.

I had a beautiful black OM-1n until three nights ago, when I was mugged and it was stolen. I enjoyed it a great deal while I had it!

I still have an OM-G left but, well, it isn't quite the same.
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I've had my OM-1 for 30 years - my first (and last) SLR. I'm shooting through a newer Zuiko 50mm/f1.2; IMHO one of the best lenses ever made. LOVE the OM!

Note to those looking to pick one up - original mercury-cell battery no longer made. If it has not alreay been done, you will need to get the camera modified to use an available battery. Foam around the film compartment also may need to be replaced. ASA indicator dial also has a tendency to pop off and may have been haphazzardly put back on. In other words - get a good CLA.
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Melanie, hope you are OK. That's got to be frightening.

If you don't mind my asking, when did you use your Olympus as opposed to your Leica? I was thinking of getting one but I'm on the fence about having another camera and was wondering what situations you used it rather than your Leica. Did you find they complemented each other or did you sorta struggle with which to use?
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I'm OK. It could have been worse. Camera-wise they took my OM and also my D-Lux 3 point and shoot digi. I'm just glad I didn't have my dad's cameras with me.

As far as the OM vs. the Leica, sometimes I struggled with which camera to carry. In most situations I would rather carry the Leica, but it's heavier (by a lot) and not as versatile as the OM. I only have a 50 for the Leica, so if I wanted to go wider I needed to carry the OM. I also carried it when I felt like seeing through the lens, if that makes any sense. In this case I was traveling and wanted to practice with the cameras that I planned to bring to Morocco with me in May. It's kind of funny, I lived in Philadelphia for 15 years and never experienced any kind of crime, and then I'm back visiting for a mere four days and I get mugged. I think living in San Francisco has made me soft and stupid.
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sorry to hear about the camera and the mugging!
i just hate people who steal...

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will you be looking for another om1 before your trip?
No, I have the OM-G and can always bring that. It'll take the same pictures, it's just not quite as elegant in the hand.

I also lost a 50/1.4 lens, but I have two other 50s (the ubiquitous 1.8, in "silvernose" and multicoated versions) so life goes on.
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As a confirmed Oly nut (or is that Zuikoholic) I can still see why Leica M users often feel they have the best of all worlds. Reading through this thread there is an underlying topic of 35SP vs OM in terms of image quality. I have both an SP and an OM4Ti and I too still wonder which one ultimately gives me the best images. There are times when the shooting situation calls for the SP, but then I end up wondering if the shot would have been better with the OM, and vice versa. Many Leica M fanatics are already of the opinion that their glass is the finest available, so don't end up wondering if they should have reached for an SLR instead, unless shooting macro or extreme telephoto.
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Melanie, that's really awfull, sorry to hear about it.
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Old 04-01-2007   #80
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Originally Posted by MelanieC
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It's kind of funny, I lived in Philadelphia for 15 years and never experienced any kind of crime, and then I'm back visiting for a mere four days and I get mugged. I think living in San Francisco has made me soft and stupid.
Stupid? I doubt it. Unless you were flaunting it in an area known for high crime, you were the victim of a criminal so do NOT take any responsibility for their actions.

IMO, of course./ScottGee1
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