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M8 or X- PRO1
Old 02-21-2013   #1
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M8 or X- PRO1

I've a beautiful and useful M8, and i'm considering trade it for a new Fuji X-PRO1 with the 35 1,4 lens. I know what Leica is in terms of feeling, but, what abiut image quality?
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Old 02-21-2013   #2
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I use both. I believe the X-Pro1 has better image quality overall. However, I do believe it is still a personal preference thing. I feel the colors from the Leica are more old school Kodak and the colors from the Fuji are more new school Fuji (in the film sense) if that makes sense. Honestly, both are capable cameras.

Things to think about are:

Do you really like manual focus and using a rangefinder? If so, then the Fuji will not scratch that itch.

Do you want high ISO and close focus? The Fuji has it and the M8 generally doesn't.

Do you prefer the weight and solidness of the M8? If so, the Fuji will feel very light and not as elegant in comparison.

I use the Fujis as my main cameras, but couldn't leave the M behind completely. Some days, it's just a rangefinder day.
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Old 02-21-2013   #3
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Once again, JS' comments are spot on.

The focusing procedure will be very different. With the most recent firmware, AF performance is not an issue. But the procedure is different. I use focus and recompose most of the time as I did with my Zeiss Ikon M. My in-focus rate is about the same for both cameras.

The 35/1.4 Fujinon is an excellent lens. Before I owned this lens I prefered using a 35 or 28 full-frame angle of view. But the Fujinon 35/1.4 is so good, I have adjusted to the narrower angle of view because I enjoy the look of this lens so much.
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Old 02-21-2013   #4
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I still have and use my X100 - aside from its quirks (and the simplicity of the M8) it still can compete with the M8 (at an equivalent 35mm). I am sure the X-Pro 1 and 35/1.4 will be the same for you.

I do notice the weight difference though. Takes a little while to get used to at first - but once used to it I guess being lighter can only be an advantage!
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I'll throw in my two cents on this from this perspective - make sure you can deal with the AF of the Fuji. I have an x100 and it's a great camera, but the AF drives me a little nuts. I find myself going back to my R-D1 because if I can't have speedy dslr speed AF, I'd rather focus manually. At least I'm in control of it.

This thread interests me because I'm toying with the idea of buying a used M9/M-E or waiting for an upgraded XPro1 (which would hopefully get the upcoming x100s' features).
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The tricky thing with the X100's OVF (was never really interested in the EVF,) is that you have no visual confirmation as to whether you're focusing on what you think you're focusing on, as opposed to a rangefinder, SLR or EVF, which all provide some kind of visual confirmation. You just get a green box that glows, but you don't know what it locked in. Add in parallax, and you may find that you occasionally focus on something behind what you intended. Of course, the EVF cures that, but that kind of defeats the point of buying the X-Pro1 over the X-E1.

I prefer rangefinders quite a bit.
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Old 02-21-2013   #7
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These are such different "animals." But I know how we sometimes make comparisons across camera types. The previous posts have well summed up the pros and cons of each camera. IMO, it would come down to how you like to shoot, sort of the gestalt of it. Once in a while, I will ponder a non-RF, but it always comes back to how I like to shoot. Especially for street photography, I want a camera with excellent manual focus. Otherwise, who knows--conclusively--what the focal point would be. The guy in the distance? The woman, blurred in foreground? The dog lying in the middle distance off to the right? Pardon this example, but wanting high quality manual focus is one important factor (of several) that always keep me using RFs and not trying out other cameras, whether it be the Sony RX1 or Canon 5D III or whatever.
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There is an optional audible signal with three selectable volume levels for OVF and EVF focus lock confirmation on the X-Pro1 (and X100).
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There is an optional audible signal with three selectable volume levels for OVF and EVF focus lock confirmation on the X-Pro1 (and X100).
That's beside the point. The focus box also lights up, but you still don't always know what the focus is locking on to with the OVF.
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Old 02-21-2013   #10
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I'd personally stick with the M8.
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I wouldn't concern yourself too much with the perceived focus issues on the x-pro 1
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I wouldn't concern yourself too much with the perceived focus issues on the x-pro 1

I have a fuji x100 ( and an M9 ) and this camera didn't benifit from the latest firmware for the x-pro1 and x-e1 the increased auto focus speed.

I use my x100 in single focus mode ( with the single point focus box reduced to its smallest size ) and now I am used to it I rarely have any focus issues , either speed or accuracy. Multi point focus is very unreliable however.

As Douglas points out , close in using the OVF you increase the posibility of miss focusing even though the camera has an option to account for parralex . So , if I find myself taking shots under 6 feet away say I just switch to EVF to be sure.

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Focusing is a real concern for some users. It depends on personal needs and preferences.

I like the way Fuji is adding manual focus scales to some of their lenses, such as the new 14mm (and hopefully to all lenses at least up to 75mm equivalent or thereabout), and the new manual focus aid (although EVF only) in X100s is certainly very interesting.
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Old 02-22-2013   #13
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I have both. I agree with the experience of jrockit.
For me, the big difference, in addition to what has been said, the reaction rate of the M8 is immediate (the fuji is slower).
The M8 viewfinder is much clearer: Fuji, darkened the viewfinder OVF image (you can see the difference when you turn off the Fuji and we rekindled in the OVF. Simultaneously frameworks light appears, the viewfinder be darkened ...).
In addition, when we use coded 6 bits objectives, IPTC informations is transmitted directly to M8 (all lens can be coded).
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Old 02-22-2013   #14
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Thank's guys. Lots of information here.
I think i'll keep my M8 with my 35 'cron IV version and Biogon 28, and buy a second hand X100
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Thank's guys. Lots of information here.
I think i'll keep my M8 with my 35 'cron IV version and Biogon 28, and buy a second hand X100
That sounds like a great alternative.
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That's beside the point. The focus box also lights up, but you still don't always know what the focus is locking on to with the OVF.
You may not know, but somehow I do know. My uncertainty does increase as the subject becomes closer which is why I'm grateful it's trivial to switch between the two finders. I will always know if I press the button that gives me a 3X or 10x digital zoom. Letting go of the button instantly returns to OVF mode.
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I have M8 and Xpro 1. If you consider buying X100, X100s is coming with Xpro 1 sensor.
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Thank's guys. Lots of information here.
I think i'll keep my M8 with my 35 'cron IV version and Biogon 28, and buy a second hand X100
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Old 02-24-2013   #18
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I have M8 and Xpro 1. If you consider buying X100, X100s is coming with Xpro 1 sensor.
If he's going to buy the s model, surely he can find a used X-Pro1. I think the point is that he can swing the original without selling his M8.
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If the MF isn't bullet proof then its not for me ......... I have an M8u and used properly I don't see any reason to reach for more capability. And I can use all my LTM and M mount glass.....and since I got my Amedeo adapter all my Nikon S glass. M8= a true system digital camera.
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I also have an X100 and I like Xpro 1 sensor more and also try to sell my used X100 locally.
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I've order a second hand and good priced X100, so i can keep with me my M8. But someone has proposed me to trade my 'cron 35 "king of bokeh" for his X-PRO1 3 months old with 35 1,8...
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If the MF isn't bullet proof then its not for me ......... I have an M8u and used properly I don't see any reason to reach for more capability. And I can use all my LTM and M mount glass.....and since I got my Amedeo adapter all my Nikon S glass. M8= a true system digital camera.
Raymond,

Fast manual focus is not bullet proof. There is a realtively simple electronic zoom function that is bullet proof. This technique is not inconvenient, but it is not as enjoyable as turning a well-made analog lens barrel.

I have many negatives that reveal my focusing skills with rangefinders, and different types of SLR finders is far from bullet proof. In fact, the evidencevshows I am unskilled.

Correct me if I am wrong, but CLAs are required on a regular basis by skilled persons to maintian bullet proof focus with any mechanical rangefinder mechanism.
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.... someone has proposed me to trade my 'cron 35 "king of bokeh" for his X-PRO1 3 months old with 35 1,8...
Doubts
I can see why "someone" offered an X-Pro-1 and 35 f/1.8 for your v4 35 Cron, but I cannot see why you would accept such an offer. Xavi, keep the great glass ...
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M8 with X Pro guts
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M8 with X Pro guts

I would take an M8 with the X-Pro 1 resolution, high ISO quality, and auto white balance!
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Thank's guys. Lots of information here.
I think i'll keep my M8 with my 35 'cron IV version and Biogon 28, and buy a second hand X100
Good decision. That'll give you a solid RF experience--and another quality camera especially for higher ISO shooting.
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