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Old 03-13-2017   #1
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I miss my Contax T2 lens. Recommendations for Leica?

Hey everyone,

I have a question. My favorite lens of all time is the Zeiss 38mm f2.8 Sonnar lens in a Contax T2. I used to have one and absolutely loved it. I don't know exactly what it was that it had but I just loved the colors, the way it drew, etc. About a year and a half ago I sold my T2 (it fetched a very good price, mind you) to help me afford buying my M9 body. Ever since I've been looking for a lens that gives me that same type of characteristic (perhaps the lens has become my white whale).

Can anyone recommend something that is similar? I know that Sonnar lenses tend to give that nice rendering I'm talking about, but I've also heard that the 35mm Zeiss Biogon is pretty good, but not exactly the same. I've also heard that Sonnar lenses in general usually have that "je ne sais quoi" but as far as I know there are no Sonnars in 35mm. Personally I wouldn't mind having it in 50mm, so do you think that perhaps a Russian Sonnar copy would do?

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Old 03-13-2017   #2
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Not sure about the T2, but the closest to the T3īs "Sonnar" (not really a Sonnar) in construction is the 2.8/35mm C-Biogon. I have a T3, and did not find the C-Biogon to have the same character, however.


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Hey everyone,

I have a question. My favorite lens of all time is the Zeiss 38mm f2.8 Sonnar lens in a Contax T2. I used to have one and absolutely loved it. I don't know exactly what it was that it had but I just loved the colors, the way it drew, etc. About a year and a half ago I sold my T2 (it fetched a very good price, mind you) to help me afford buying my M9 body. Ever since I've been looking for a lens that gives me that same type of characteristic (perhaps the lens has become my white whale).

Can anyone recommend something that is similar? I know that Sonnar lenses tend to give that nice rendering I'm talking about, but I've also heard that the 35mm Zeiss Biogon is pretty good, but not exactly the same. I've also heard that Sonnar lenses in general usually have that "je ne sais quoi" but as far as I know there are no Sonnars in 35mm. Personally I wouldn't mind having it in 50mm, so do you think that perhaps a Russian Sonnar copy would do?

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pick up a dead T2 and convert the lens to M.
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pick up a dead T2 and convert the lens to M.
That's what I was going to say. From another thread today http://www.rangefinderforum.com/foru...postcount=8134
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If I ever see someone selling that lens reconverted to Leica, I will buy it immediately. Currently there's one on eBay but apparently it is not rangefinder coupled, which is a problem for it to work with my Leicas (I used to have a 25mm that was not rf coupled, but at 35 I like my rangefinder to be precise).
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Can anyone recommend something that is similar? I know that Sonnar lenses tend to give that nice rendering I'm talking about, but I've also heard that the 35mm Zeiss Biogon is pretty good, but not exactly the same. I've also heard that Sonnar lenses in general usually have that "je ne sais quoi" but as far as I know there are no Sonnars in 35mm. Personally I wouldn't mind having it in 50mm, so do you think that perhaps a Russian Sonnar copy would do?

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There are Sonnars in 35mm. Possibly the best and most unique one is the 35/2 Sonnar in the Sony RX1, but there is also a Sony/Zeiss 35/2.8 FE. Am sure there are more. Kind of sure/must be.
At any rate, here is a link to a comparison of the Zeiss 35/2 in the RX1 to a Biogon on an m9 since you mentioned the Biogon.
Not sure if any of this helps with your questions about rendering, but perhaps.

http://www.ronscheffler.com/techtalk/?page_id=188
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I found the T2 one render more classic than the T3(which is more modern/sharp) in my opinion. However, I have seen images of the converted lens, somehow it doesn't render the same way once being converted.
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Actually, after starting this thread I started looking back at my T2 pictures and realized that pictures taken with a completely different lens, the Voigtlander Skopar 35mm 2.5, look a LOT a like.

I don't think these Skopars are anything like Sonnars in construction. But does anyone have an opinion on this?
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Actually, after starting this thread I started looking back at my T2 pictures and realized that pictures taken with a completely different lens, the Voigtlander Skopar 35mm 2.5, look a LOT a like.

I don't think these Skopars are anything like Sonnars in construction. But does anyone have an opinion on this?
If you take a look at the color-skopars lens diagram, there are hints of sonnar in there (at least as much as the FE 35mm sonnar). Zeiss probably would have called it a sonnar.

That was easy and cheap then!
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All three lenses share similar construction and render comparatively, except the Nikon being a little more contrasty.

The T2 and the L35AF can be converted into M mount, usually by Mr. Miyazaki. The conversion itself is costly, but occasionally a converted lens would show up in auctions for a moderate price. If you don't want the trouble waiting, the (in fact not so rare) limited Rollei Sonnar 40/2.8 in LTM is another option.
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All three lenses share similar construction and render comparatively, except the Nikon being a little more contrasty.

The T2 and the L35AF can be converted into M mount, usually by Mr. Miyazaki. The conversion itself is costly, but occasionally a converted lens would show up in auctions for a moderate price. If you don't want the trouble waiting, the (in fact not so rare) limited Rollei Sonnar 40/2.8 in LTM is another option.
40/2.8 Rollei Sonnar would be my suggestion too. The converted lens has never been as the original, construction wise.
Although I would probably get a RX1 for that Sonnar look. For M9, just put on a 35mm or 50mm Leica lens.


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That Rollei 40mm 2.8 seems to go for pretty good money. I'll look into it further, but truth be told I don't think I've ever seen it being sold. Is it a rare lens?
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That Rollei 40mm 2.8 seems to go for pretty good money. I'll look into it further, but truth be told I don't think I've ever seen it being sold. Is it a rare lens?
Rare ish. Very definitely sonnar. Comes up from time to time. I paid around $800 a few years back for one via ebay. If you want to adapt something though they are the design of the 70s Rollei Sonnars which are more like $2-300. I will see what I can find later for an example of a photo.
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That Rollei 40mm 2.8 seems to go for pretty good money. I'll look into it further, but truth be told I don't think I've ever seen it being sold. Is it a rare lens?


It's a rare lens.
The good part of it is that it will hold value because of the rarity.


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Anybody has any pictures taken with the Rollei one? I am beginning to wonder if I should just keep my 40mm Summicron instead of switching to something else. At least with the Zeiss lenses there's a clear difference between the way draw and that of my Summicron C.
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Forum member Huss (no affiliation) is selling one on APUG: http://www.apug.org/forum/index.php?...t-lens.145064/
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Forum member Huss (no affiliation) is selling one on APUG: http://www.apug.org/forum/index.php?...t-lens.145064/
I was just pulling up that listing, but you beat me to the punch.
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There is a rumor of conversion lens barrel coming out for the Contax Sonnar, from MGR Production, the company that makes the conversion for the Leica Minilux Summarit 40/2.4.
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MS Optics in Japan will convert one for you; cheaper still if you provide the camera body yourself. I think they might sell them already converted to M mount. Bellamy Hunt of Japan Hunter will do the legwork: http://www.japancamerahunter.com/ser...ns-conversion/
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MS Optics in Japan will convert one for you; cheaper still if you provide the camera body yourself. I think they might sell them already converted to M mount. Bellamy Hunt of Japan Hunter will do the legwork: http://www.japancamerahunter.com/ser...ns-conversion/
Mr. Miyazaki charges 62,000 yen for the T2 conversion. Given the T2's current going price I'd hesitate a bit in having one butchered...

A cheaper alternative is to get a Nikon L35AF, shoot to see if you like its rendering, and send it in for conversion. Or just get the Rollei Sonnar.
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That Rollei 40 can be prone to haze, and i have had one cosmetically ruined by a reputable Rollei repairman who couldn't open it up, but didn't seem to mind trying what seemed to be a pipe wrench to get into it.

DHW Fototechnik told me afterwards that the lens can't really be opened for cleaning.

It is a lovely lens however, I've had a couple of them over the years, however all but one of them had at least a touch of haze.
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The MGR lens barrel conversion for the Minilux Summarit is far superior to the MS Optical conversions which are fiddly and un-ergonomic. It feels like an OEM lens barrel. The Sonnar conversion barrel should be similar, hope it comes out soon.

I too have seen several Rollei that are hazy
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I have been using the 40mm Rollei Sonnar a lot lately on a Leica M8. I've added quite a few photos to the Rollei Sonnar pool in flickr if anyone would like to see the rendering: https://www.flickr.com/groups/[email protected]/pool/
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The 7Artisans 35mm f/2 coming out (eventually?) is supposed to be a Sonnar design so that could be right up your alley too.
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nice anniversary revival of this thread!

of course the correct answer is the ROLLEI 40 2.8. In chrome/brass.
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I have the black version of the Rollei 40 2.8. Were equal amounts of black and chrome and made, or more chrome?
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Any other options, perhaps not so rare? Curious about this now. Would go up to 50mm.

I actually miss the Tessar on my Yashica t4 for the same reason. Great color saturation and look but don't want some fiddly, expensive retrofit.
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plenty of tessar designs in the industar series.
i use a collapsible industar 50 - best bargain i ever got, however the elmar is the better lens.
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Any other options, perhaps not so rare? Curious about this now. Would go up to 50mm.
What's your budget? While rare, still a lot cheaper than a Leica Summicron which is common!
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Just beware of a Rollei Sonnar you cannot inspect in person. If buying online be sure it can be returned at no cost if it has haze.
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There is a Rollei 40mm on the big auction site in silver. I recall reading somewhere that this lens can't be opened up for a CLA. Something worth considering...
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Just checked mine. Haze free. Sounds strange that the lens could not be opened for a CLA. After all it was put together, just like other lenses. Even though it says made in Germany on it, it looks just like my Cosina Voigtlander lenses, especially the 50 2.5.
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The new 7artisans 35mm f2 lens is also a sonnar based formula...might do the trick!
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