Old 09-15-2018   #1881
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I have avoided the black-painted Leica. My nature demands that I smooth down the remaining paint and brush on new enamel. I know it would take the value down, but I must do it.
So I won't buy one.
but David, would you re-finish a vintage '30s Martin guitar?
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Old 09-15-2018   #1882
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Black cameras are nice, they do not attract much attention. A chrome camera can be seen from miles away.

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Old 09-15-2018   #1883
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I happily obey all the vintage rules with guitars that I repair. Since I only own the best guitars (guitars that I build myself) I will never be tempted with a truly valuable vintage guitar.
Cameras are my hobby.

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but David, would you re-finish a vintage '30s Martin guitar?
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Old 09-15-2018   #1884
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I’ve heard several people say they think of the worn paint as less of an aged beauty and more of an eye sore. I personally love the look of well worn black paint, although my iid has nearly all of its paint
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I've said it before: black Leica II cameras (and their painted surface) are often in a very good condition compared to black Leica I and Leica III cameras. But why?


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Because they were treasured by their owners. IIIs would appeal more to the photographer who wanted everything and used them more. 250s were hammered for most of their lives and show it.

I don't know, it is all conjecture.

The other camera that is quite often in almost perfect condition is the IIf.
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Old 09-15-2018   #1887
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I always thought that the III was a professional camera. But the I? Why are these so much used? It is very hard to get some results with a I.


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Old 09-15-2018   #1888
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Old 09-16-2018   #1889
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Since I only own the best guitars (guitars that I build myself) I will never be tempted with a truly valuable vintage guitar.
Nice to know you appreciate your own work.

There are some other great builders to the west of you in Texas too...& I sure like the stuff made in the '30s in Nazareth
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I think of the 1930's as the peak construction of many things, cameras, motorcycles, bicycles, guitars, anything mechanical really.

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There are some other great builders to the west of you in Texas too...& I sure like the stuff made in the '30s in Nazareth
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Old 09-18-2018   #1892
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Erik, I know, I thought David was employing some Monty Pythonese cynicsm/humour!

I think FHKOO is the single frame holder for the earlier cameras and FCKOO is the one for the later ltms.

Back to hoods, all said and done little can improve on FISON!

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Been away and missed the excitement; I was thinking of the FHKOO and FOOKH. Ordering and expecting one and getting the other would baffle a lot of people and who would understand why a FHKOO would be needed anyway?

But if early film conformity wasn't so poor would Barnack have made the first Leica and then go on and use it as a camera in its own right? I know the stories but everything to me points to it being designed for clip testing. At the time there were several cameras with (a) a small size and (b) good lenses. The VPK with a Tessar for example and then there was the smaller Houghton "Ensignette" that Barnack could have fitted with a better lens* if he had wanted too. And can you believe a new boy working for Leitz in those days would have been able to design and built the camera for his own use and using the factory's facilities?

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Old 09-18-2018   #1893
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And can you believe a new boy working for Leitz in those days would have been able to design and built the camera for his own use and using the factory's facilities?
Barnack was in 1913 34 years old, not exactly a boy.

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Makes me start to think...what other cameras were fitted with the 5cm Elmar 3.5?...apart from the Weltini?
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Makes me start to think...what other cameras were fitted with the 5cm Elmar 3.5?...apart from the Weltini?
I wonder what lens was used for the prototype; I guess it would have been off the shelf as that would make life easier. And Barnack worked for Zeiss beforehand (from memory) and so you can wonder a lot...

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Makes me start to think...what other cameras were fitted with the 5cm Elmar 3.5?...apart from the Weltini?
Nagel Pupille comes to mind. Always liked its looks and I have on and off been thinking of getting one, but the availability (and price of) 127 film puts me off buying one at several hundred euros.
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Before discovering the Leica Cartier-Bresson got 1930 in Ivory Coast (a French colony not unlike the one that is described in Journey to the Edge of the Night by Céline) a French camera with a German Tessar, the Krauss Eka. This was a 35mm camera, but used unperforated film that was backed with paper, like rollfilm. He used this camera quite a lot, but the results were disappointing because the camera leaked light. Finally he bought in Paris a new Leica from Tiranty, the French Leitz importer. The rest is history.


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I wonder what lens was used for the prototype
It is well known that the four element Elmar is a copy of the Zeiss Tessar, the only difference being the diaphragm that is in the Elmar between the elements one and two and in the tessar between the elements three and four.

The origin of the five element Anastigmat (Elmax) is unknown, invented by Berek?

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It is well known that the four element Elmar is a copy of the Zeiss Tessar, the only difference being the diaphragm that is in the Elmar between the elements 1 and two and in the tessar between the elements three and four.

The origin of the five element Anastigmat (Elmax) is unknown, invented by Berek?

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Thanks I know of the 75mm Tessar but didn't know of a 50mm one.

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A few years ago I was in the habit of bidding for Leicas on Ebay that were either incorrectly described or poorly photographed. This could go either way(!). I bid on and won what I thought was a I with what looked like an Elmar. The camera turned out to be what I expected but the lens was not. It was a Leitz Anastigmat converted to standard coupled ltm mount.

I used it for a couple of films and to my eye the results seemed very similar to an early Elmar. Later, realising its value, I packed it off to Westlicht.

No regrets but I do sometimes wonder where it came from...
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Hi,

They came with a fixed Anastigmat for a while in the mid 20's but I've never seen one. I guess the conversion to LTM was standard later on.

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Yes, the first 100 or 150 or so had them.
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A single film holder. I wonder how many of these were even used once.

Nice to have one!

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A single film holder. I wonder how many of these were even used once.

Nice to have one!

Erik.

That's the wonder of ebay that lets us all be snappers up of unconsidered trifles... 'though Autolycus would have a fit if he knew what I paid for it in terms of the money of his day.

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PS Talking of trifles reminds me that I've looked for words like MAFON in Leica's codes but got nowhere.

And the other Leica link is that Autolycus claimed to be the son of Hermes.
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This was my Grandfathers Leica IIIc he bought it in 1949 when he went to Japan during the Occupation. It was instrumental in my founding gordy's camera straps but that is another story. He gave it to me in the early 1970s. In recent years I replaced the shutter and beam splitter. I thought that a Leica M3 might be a better camera, certainly a more modern camera. I bought one 6 years ago. It's a beautiful camera but I am going back to my IIIc for three reasons. First, it is easier to focus. The IIIc has a separate rangefinder window that magnifies 150%. Second, using a brightline auxiliary viewfinder gives a much larger and brighter image that any M series camera. It makes a big difference with older eyes. Third, it is smaller. It fits in my vest pocket. So I will be selling my M3 and my IIIg and keeping my IIIc as well as my IIIa and 1935 Leica Standard. I really like the smaller cameras. But then that was why Oskar Barnack invented them.
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Ditto! I prefer the smaller barnacks to any M, for all the same reasons.
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not a picture of my leica ii and elmar but rather pictures taken with them.
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side note: my penny washer/shim worked perfectly, film is now aligned and above the sprokets.
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Great stuff but reluctantly I suppose we had better get back on topic. Let us talk about the texture of paint...or the lack of it. The word 'patina' is banned.

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Great, Pan, a IIc!


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Great, Pan, a IIc!

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Yes, a 1952 IIc with a coated Elmar of the same year.

Also, a couple of pin holes on the shutter curtains too...





It is awaiting it's turn to go to Alan Starkie for a curtain replacement ...
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Lovely shot of the kids.

The holes are very small, not too difficult to repair them yourself with some very small patches of ivory black artists oil paint applied on the back of the curtains.

It is very easy to open a IIc: take out the two screws on the front (in the vulcanite) and the four (or five) screws of the top plate near the vulcanite and you can take the shell off from the top. Just slide it off. The pressure plate and its two tiny springs will come loose, so take care. After smearing a really tiny bit of oil paint (undiluted, look with a loupe if the holes are really closed) on the holes you can close the camera. The top and bottom of the pressure plate are different, the thin side must point downwards to leave space for loading the film.

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Some remarkable stuff for fixing small holes in the shutter curtains is the Pébéo Setacolor Opaque black paint (acrylic). Specially designed for painting on fabric. Made in France. Will remain supple when dry, won't get brittle over time.

Stores list here :

http://en.pebeo.com/Pebeo/Where-can-...y-our-products
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Artists oil paint is also designed for painting on fabric. The pigments of ivory black are totally light proof as can be seen on paintings by masters like Raphael, Titian, Tintoretto and Caravaggio. These pigments endured strong lights for hundreds of years.


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It is very easy to open a IIc: take out the two screws on the front (in the vulcanite) and the four (or five) screws of the top plate near the vulcanite and you can take the shell off from the top. Just slide it off. The pressure plate and its two tiny springs will come loose, so take care.

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