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Old 01-05-2018   #81
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It's got nothing to do with sales. It's all to do with improving ones skillls. Wouldn't you like to produce better work or are you satisfied? Even if I didn't make a living with my photography I'd still want to produce the best images I can.
Give me an example for a suitable workshop.
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Raid, do you have the Nikkor 3.5cm f/1.8 LTM? That will take care of $2000. Then a used A7x.
It is a lens that I use very rarely, Lynn. I prefer the Summicron 35mm.
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You have a point, Axel. I admit it,
Just thoughts raid. If we agree in buying what we want we must see the opposite site of arguing details to death.
Not my way.
I love Leicas but I don´t want to pay relevant amounts of money for a body that´s delivering "not so much" percents of my needs.

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Give me an example for a suitable workshop.
I cant tell you what would be of interest to you any more than I can tell you what food you'd like. Look around at what's available and what strikes your fancy. Everyone can learn new shooting skills, learn their software better, make better prints and better scans. There are hundreds if not thousands of workshops and classes that improve your skills. Surely you feel like you could improve your photography. One more camera or lens won't make any of us better photographers.

You're an engineer right? Was it the new slide rule or calculator you bought that made you a good engineer or was it what you learned in class? Same with photography. Anyone can buy a camera but not everyone can produce really impressive images. A calculator doesn't make you an engineer and a camera doesn't make you a fine photographer. It really comes down to whether people are satisfied with the level of photography where they're at or do they want to produce exceptional images. Please don't think I'm getting on anyone's case. It's an individual choice as to whether equipment is the priority Or making fine photographs.
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x-ray: I may not be so deep into making fine photographs as you are. No, I am not an engineer, but this is another issue. I appreciate your words though. I take photos as they come to me without any previous planning or design. I guess, I am (as you said) satisfied with the level of photography where I am. Such a discussion opens the door for some serious exchanges of thoughts here. I spend much more time thinking about my research each day.
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Nikon F2 Titan with eye level finder or LNIB F3P...

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x-ray: I guess, I am (as you said) satisfied with the level of photography where I am.
You've gotten to a point that I guess I'll never reach and honestly do not want to reach. I use my dissatisfaction with my images as motivation to work harder.

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I take such issues lightly. My photos don't bother me. Photography makes me and keeps me a very happy person. Whether I actually buy another camera or not is not really important. Different people view photography differently.
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This thread was not meant to result in negative feelings by anyone.
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I was thinking of a workshop too, Raid... But as a way to go on a photo-emphasis guided tour to an exotic location. You have experience in Europe and the Middle East, but might be inspired by other locations such as the Far East, New Zealand, South Africa, South America...

I'm looking forward to a cruise from Miami along the east coast of Central America, and around to Ecuador and Peru. This will be different! Should I start a "what gear shall I take" thread?
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Doug: go for it. The tour, I mean. I enjoy each year a trip to some country.
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Come on a tour to Australia, Raid. We're expecting a moderately warm day tomorrow in Sydney, 45C. This is a good time to photograph wildlife, as they're all lying down in the shade
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Come on a tour to Australia, Raid. We're expecting a moderately warm day tomorrow in Sydney, 45C. This is a good time to photograph wildlife, as they're all lying down in the shade
Thank you for the invitation, Lynn. I may one day show up in Sidney!
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This applies to any views on photography here. Each person posting here has some views on some aspects of photography and equipment. This is fine. This is the way it should stay.
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You have $3000, what would you buy?
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You have $3000, what would you buy?

If this was a poll from your original post, definitely a Hasselblad SWC. It's unique, produces spectacular images (in the right hands), is no longer made, and is just plain cool.
Either that or something for the family ... Tough choice.
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You need a "something other than camera gear" option.
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$3,000? I just did, except it wasn't $3,000, it was $4,995.....a new 35mm f1.4 Summilux FLE.
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I don't have a 3000. Last time when I travelled to Japan I have less than 2000$ for almost a month. Most of the time I used Fuji Klasse W camera. Nice little full frame cam. I think, If I have such amount of money for camera I go for Leica Q. Full frame, nice looking. Leica CL also a good option but for me it not sexy enough for that price.
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I would love a Q but the fact the lens sucks so bad that it must "corrected" all the time by software, and someone selling one recently (here on RFF) commented that it "made a noise" when being turned on, would leave me to believe it is best avoided. But I would still like one.
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The longest and fastest telephoto I can find

Dear Raid,

I'll be honest and say that I visit this site to read and learn.

I shoot wildlife and nature. I'm as big as a moose so stealth is not my strong suit. I'd drop the coin on something long and bright, and probably white too.

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Out of your options... the Q. However, I think I'd buy a used Sony A7R II w/ a used 55mm 1.8. The CL is nice, but not for the price.
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I would love a Q but the fact the lens sucks so bad that it must "corrected" all the time by software, and someone selling one recently (here on RFF) commented that it "made a noise" when being turned on, would leave me to believe it is best avoided. But I would still like one.
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The end results are most important. I agree.
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Getting back to the original "gearhead" focus of the thread:

Raid, you listed an M9 as one of your options. But you already have an M9, no? I have one myself (or will have, if it ever comes back from N.J.) and it seems to meet all my needs or wants. Still, I think I would like an M9P. I think I would keep the M9 and just have two bodies. So that's one idea.

Another idea: I miss my M8.2. What I don't miss is that it didn't let me enter my lens manually, like I can on the M9. That way, I don't have to get my lenses coded. Buy I might like to use some of the money to get them coded, which would be convenient (though not necessary) when using them on the M9.

As to the M240: I'm sure it's a great camera. I don't seem to want one, though. Isn't it even thicker front to back than the M9? And the electronic framelines. I don't know it would feel Leica-like enough for me.

OK, I know. I would inherit $6000 or $8000 and get an M10. That should do it.
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Rob: I never claimed that this post was about my quest to spend $3000. I meant it to be addressed to anyone here at RFF.

The M8 does surprisingly well after all these years.
Yes, the M240 appears to be thicker than the M9, and I feel it to be heavier too. The extra thickness caused one of my fingers to get hurt in my first use of the M240. My hand did not hold the camera correctly, I think.

The M10 would be nice ....
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hmm. I could have sworn I posted a response to this thread while I was in London the other night, but I don't see it here. In brief:

Yes, I'd get a CL body for that money, if I wanted to spend money on another camera. I wouldn't buy any M8-M9 camera for any money at this point, the Q without interchangeable lenses is not appealing to me at all.

The CL works well with all my current M, R, and SL lenses; it is small and light weight; the sensor performance seems fine; the smaller format nets a difference in what I can do with it compared to the SL or M-D. I don't need any other lenses for it since I'm happy with manual focus and have all the right focal lengths already.

... All that said, I'm not really itching to buy another camera unless I were to do it to replace the SL with something significantly smaller and lighter to carry. The CL would then be the correct choice again, since I could sell the SL plus SL24-90 lens, buy the CL body, and net a $4000-5000 credit back into my bank account.

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What about the crop factor with the CL, Godfrey? Doesn't this part annoy you somewhat? Are there adapters for "any lens mount" for the CL?
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What about the crop factor with the CL, Godfrey? Doesn't this part annoy you somewhat? Are there adapters for "any lens mount" for the CL?
I planned on using my manual lenses with my APS-C Fuji, but it doesn't make much sense. I have manual lenses from 18mm-90mm which corresponds to 28-135 on APS-C. Except for the 90mm, all those focal lengths are covered by the little 18-55mm zoom, so I only use my manual macro lenses with the Fuji. It's the same issue with the Leica CL. Using Leica's little 18-56 (28-85) CL zoom sure beats carrying around a bag full of lenses. To appropriate a little Leica marketing, I am sure that is what Oskar Barnack would do if he were alive today. Now, there may be an advantage if you want to shoot just 50mm to putting on a 35mm. Since you are only using the center of the image circle, it should be very sharp, though I would probably trust the auto focus of the dedicated lens over focus peaking for sharpness. YMMV.
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A 50mm SLR lens will be a very good 100mm lens on a M 4/3 and it would be a 66mm lens on the APS-C, I think.It is more difficult to find a suitable wide angle lens here that works well.
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What about the crop factor with the CL, Godfrey? Doesn't this part annoy you somewhat? Are there adapters for "any lens mount" for the CL?
The crop factor is actually an advantage for what I would have the CL for, Raid. I'd keep the SL90-280mm lens, which with the crop factor nets a 135 to 420mm FoV, image stabilized super-telezoom. I have the right lenses in my more usual focal length range to get the right FoVs too: 35 for normal, 50-60 for 75-90mm, WATE for 24 to 30mm wide, and a few more beyond that. And of course my R lenses would all be fine, including the macro setup for film copying; I'd just be using 1:2 instead of 1:1 as the reference magnification to obtain FF negative copies at 24 Pixel.

So it would be a good choice that doesn't compete directly with either the SL or M-D for lens choices, etc.

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A 50mm SLR lens will be a very good 100mm lens on a M 4/3 and it would be a 66mm lens on the APS-C, I think.It is more difficult to find a suitable wide angle lens here that works well.
A 50mm lens on the CL's APS-C sensor nets the FoV of a 75mm lens; 60mm goes to 90mm. I have the WATE for the wide end, which nets 24 to 31 mm FoVs, and a Color-Skopar 28mm that nets an old favorite 43mm approximately.

The only 'missing' focal length for me would be the 16mm FF FoV to crop to square for the Hasselblad SWC simulation I like ... for that I'd need to buy a Voigtländer 10mm lens. If I decided it was important: I can always put the WATE on the M-D and crop it to square for that simulation.

I spent an extensive ten years shooting with FourThirds and APS-C format cameras so I'm very familiar with the FoV and DoF characteristics of these two formats.

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Yes, you are right. The APS-C has a crop that is equivalent to 1.5x of the focal length of the lens.
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OK..it's decided then...CL..and take your wife out to dinner...done deal..
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Dave Burnett used to shoot a Ricoh GXR with Leica glass (we wrote about how to set that camera up) but now has also gone the way of the Sony A9, with a Rokkor 58mm 1.2 lens... Just saying...

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A view camera, lens, film holders, developing tank, etc., because I haven't tortured myself enough yet with 35mm and 4.5x6cm gear.
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Dave Burnett used to shoot a Ricoh GXR with Leica glass (we wrote about how to set that camera up) but now has also gone the way of the Sony A9, with a Rokkor 58mm 1.2 lens... Just saying...

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Agreed. For $3000 I would choose something else. But when the Qii arrives in a year or two... and used prices keep going down then maybe...
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He is obviously enjoying photography.
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Raid,
None of the poll options thrill me too much, honestly. For digital, my phone and the Fuji X20 serve me plenty well.
That said, $3k would be interesting to spend on gear and I think it would be, for me, something like this:
I have a small (7 1/2' by 10') room in my basement I want to set up as a darkroom and 3k would make that a rather faster project. I can do the basic carpentry aspects of this, the plumbing and wiring, not so much.
IF there were anything left over after that, then a 4x5 enlarger.

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