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Old 2 Weeks Ago   #41
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ah, in that case, i would get all sorts of things.

really right stuff or gitzo tripods
a linhof technika or technikardan
8x10 view camera
hasselblad x-pan/fuji tx
fuji gf670 or mamiya 7ii
nikon f, lnib
make a frankenleica
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pricey photobooks!
an alpa 6x9
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linhof technorama or fuji gx617
g-technology array
photoshop, digital printing, archiving courses
All of this for $3000?
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Raid, I made it correct for you.
Yes, you are right here. I should sell both.
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ºSony A7
ºTamron Adaptall 17mm 3.5 (type 51B)
ºCanon TS 35mm 2.8 S.S.C.
ºCanon FD 50mm 1.2L
ºCanon FD 85mm 1.2L
ºCanon FD 135mm 2.0

I'll take USD 3000 for it, Raid...
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Do all lenses fit the A7 with RF?
This is useful and very good stuff.
I have these:

ºCanon TS 35mm 2.8 S.S.C.
ºCanon FD 50mm 1.2L
ºCanon FD 85mm 1.2L

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If all I had was 3000, a camera would be the last thing.

If 3000 is budget for a camera, buy something else as Leica is a money pit I can confirm. You assume you are buying something of long term value and can be repaired. Not the case.

Nikon D750 and 50 1.8 for 2000 is what you should get. I own Leica and Nikon.
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With a single Canon FD adapter they all go on the Sony A7, A7R etc. series of cameras. As well as the A9.

And all Leitz lenses go on the camera too, with a different adapter. Except for the widest, but I find my Tamron 17mm would be hard to beat anyway and it wasn't even that expensive!

I don't even own any AF lenses for the Sony, I like manual shooting most anyway and don't shoot stuff that requires fast AF.
The camera is set up in such a way that I can control all essential setting with the buttons and dials. The only thing I need the menu for is to format the card every now and then.
I'll happily share my settings with you, Raid.
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The Sony A7 can be found for under $1000. If such a full frame camera is excellent overall, why isn't everybody getting one in place of a digital Leica that costs much more money?
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The Sony A7 can be found for under $1000. If such a full frame camera is excellent overall, why isn't everybody getting one in place of a digital Leica that costs much more money?
I did.
It's great. Performance for the range of lenses I use is great. Some with wide M lenses will have issues in corners.
The thing about the Sony is .... it's not a Rangefinder.
You said $3000. That says M240 to me not A7
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Raid - didn´t you consider to grow up your MFT-System with a new body recently?

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Yes, I was/am thinking of the slick looking Olympus Pen-F. A Leica would be better for me though.
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I did.
It's great. Performance for the range of lenses I use is great. Some with wide M lenses will have issues in corners.
The thing about the Sony is .... it's not a Rangefinder.
You said $3000. That says M240 to me not A7
I said $3000, but I also said that I do not yet have $3000.
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The Sony A7 can be found for under $1000. If such a full frame camera is excellent overall, why isn't everybody getting one in place of a digital Leica that costs much more money?
Because the Leica gets you bragging rights and snobbery, and Sony gets you comments like this:







But the Sony also gets you images like this:


Portrait of Belle
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Sony A7 and Canon FD 85mm 1.2L. First shot I ever took with the combo.



And I'll happily take the silly comments if I can get pictures like this from it!
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Oh and don't just take my word for it Raid, ask fellow RFF'er Michael Markey too, who bought an A7S for his Leica and Pentax glass...
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I did.
It's great. Performance for the range of lenses I use is great. Some with wide M lenses will have issues in corners.
The thing about the Sony is .... it's not a Rangefinder.
You said $3000. That says M240 to me not A7
I said $3000, but I also said that I do not yet have $3000.
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Oh and don't just take my word for it Raid, ask fellow RFF'er Michael Markey too, who bought an A7S for his Leica and Pentax glass...
Other than losing RF focusing, is there any other loss (plus corners for wide angle lenses getting smeared results)?
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The A7ii versions offer Image stabilization and also the ability to use an Autofocus adapter for manual lenses.
The "techart adapter" allows one to adapt there M mount and other lenses to the camera and make use of the Sony AF system.
Read about it .... very cool stuff and useful for photographers.

I bought the basic A7 at a good price second hand.
Since that time, the A7ii and now descendants have come onto the market.
For around $1000 you can get a new A7ii and all that it offers.

Corners??.... there are solutions.
The least invasive solution is to buy wide lenses that work well on the Sony bodies. There are plenty.
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Other than losing RF focusing, is there any other loss (plus corners for wide angle lenses getting smeared results)?
Not to my knowledge, Raid.

And using the wide angles from the SLR era on these cameras is no issue at all, just steer away from anything wider than 35mm in RF lenses to totally avoid darker corners etc. Personally, I like darker corners on a wide angle shot, it centers the eye...

This is the Tamron 17mm 3.5 on the Sony A7:


Schlachtensee
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Contrast and tonal range are very good too, this contains anything from almost black to completely white and the camera can render it all in the single shot. It just shows aberrations in the top left corner but I guess any other camera would have done so too, that's a pretty tricky spot with the bright backlighting through the branches...

Mind you this is the 'original' A7, I suppose the later incarnations of the series even improved on this...
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.....The thing about the Sony is .... it's not a Rangefinder. You said $3000. That says M240 to me not A7
I agree with Andy. Something about a rangefinder that just makes things right (which is why I own an M240).

But if I had $3,000 to spend, I'm not sure what I do. Maybe buy an 178mm F2.5 Aero-Ektar for my 4X5. Talk about a lens with a unique signature.

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I don't see dark corners from the Tamron 17mm lens. Is it only RF wide angle lenses that mess up the corners?
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I wonder if Leica sells me their loaner M240?
The A7 option is also appealing to me. Such a camera would complement my M8 and M9. I could use the wide angle lenses on the M9.
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I don't see dark corners from the Tamron 17mm lens. Is it only RF wide angle lenses that mess up the corners?
Correct indeed Raid.

SLR lenses are fine on these cameras and they still are a compact kit! I travelled Berlin with only the 50mm 1.2L (with the aperture stuck wide open, repaired since) and the Tamron Adaptall 17mm 3.5 and these are some of the shots I got:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/johann...57673118044185

The portrait of me was shot by my best buddy Lem. I was in holiday mode, obviously...
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I like using the Canon FD 17/4 and I could then use the 35/2,8TS and the 50/1.2L and 85/1.2L. Is there an adapter for Rollei QBM lenses?
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Does anybody here actually need another camera or lens? How about a workshop or a trip some place you have never been before?
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I wonder if Leica sells me their loaner M240?
The A7 option is also appealing to me. Such a camera would complement my M8 and M9. I could use the wide angle lenses on the M9.
Considering an A7 series myself, for use with my ZM lenses. The A7 iii is rumored to be announced soon.

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What is the advantage of using A7iii compared with past SONY models?
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I have had this thought! Or sell my 75/1.4 Lux.
Do not sell that lens! Get an EVF camera to use it on. Sony A7rii are under 3K new now, under $2K used. With that type of camera you can also adapt pretty much any lens.
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The lens is difficult to focus, but with the right camera it is a useful lens.
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What is the advantage of using A7iii compared with past SONY models?
I don't think we know yet. But I'm in no hurry and comfortable waiting to see.

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Raid, do you have the Nikkor 3.5cm f/1.8 LTM? That will take care of $2000. Then a used A7x.
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The lens is difficult to focus, but with the right camera it is a useful lens.
With the a7 it would become easier to focus.
Nearly Everything becomes more accurate with an evf camera.
Zoom in with 11x magnification and focus in the evf or lcd if you’re in my boat with vision issues.
I’m with Huss. Don’t sell your Summilux75 if you are even considering an a7.
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The budget will be the decisive factor in the end.
Leica cameras are expensive.
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Does anybody here actually need another camera or lens? How about a workshop or a trip some place you have never been before?
I was thinking a workshop would be a really good investment for you Raid. The knowledge you gain will last the rest of your life where as a camera is just another gadget that you'll get bored with and trade. When you mentioned getting a second SWC it was clear you've got everything and just looking to burn money. It's your money but I'd put it into something that would improve my photography like a workshop.
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It has been over 20 years since the last workshop I have taken. It is a hobby for me, and I don't aim at making sales.
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OK..I got it..A7 for 8 bills..and a WATE..used for 3K or so..I have this combo..and luv it..
Or..A7S..for 2K ..and see in the dark..or the A7Sii..for 2.4K..and go up to 400,000 iso..
Which is probably my next step..as I'm always runnin out of light..
Or..a Rolex..which feels great on the wrist..and will get used a lot more than my cams ever will..
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What is the advantage of using A7iii compared with past SONY models?
Nothing in details I mean.
It´s a combination of a small body, a full frame sensor and a good EVF.
Plus some additional advantages in details. And the price for it.

What makes a good picture and what is responsible for what?
The body is relatively easy in this regard. Reliable functions (...), a good shape and a high resolution sensor that performs also at high sensitives.

The really new and outstanding feature of this combination is the small
flange focal length of the Sony E-Mount. This allows the use of nearly every lens ever produced without optical limitation.
Call it Sony, call it A7 - you get a body that takes your M-Lens with its real focal length like all other lenses.
An 1,8/50mm stays what it is constructed for - whatever bells and whistles will tell you different.
And you will find the advantages of your favorite lenses in your picture 1:1.
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You have a point, Axel. I admit it,
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It has been over 20 years since the last workshop I have taken. It is a hobby for me, and I don't aim at making sales.
It's got nothing to do with sales. It's all to do with improving ones skillls. Wouldn't you like to produce better work or are you satisfied? Even if I didn't make a living with my photography I'd still want to produce the best images I can.
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Raid:
Sell the M9 with new sensor- you'll never get more.
Buy Sony A7II-$1000 - Mint
You now have a great full frame sensor camera with a swivel finder that you can rely on and perfect B/W rangefinder camera for that experience. You'll never regret it.
Need wide on the Sony? Voigtlander 21mm f/1.8 works well and as a very useful 28mm on the M8. Adapted, all lens mount up to the A7II.
You've spent the wad, but you're not 3K down either.
Save the coin and take a vacation.
Shoot! Shoot Shoot!

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