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New Hassleblad X1D System
Old 06-21-2016   #1
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New Hassleblad X1D System

Saw this on Facebook.

Thought folks here might like to read about a possible new Hassleblad.

http://petapixel.com/2016/06/21/hass...orless-camera/
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PhotoRumors dropped the full spread of the leak. http://photorumors.com/2016/06/21/th...leaked-online/
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Do you think this might be a new series that later may have more products?

It seems like a large price discount on their other digital cameras.
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I am amazed by Hasselblad's ability to consistently bring such ugly digital cameras to the market. They must be working with designers from hell.
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There are too many pretty looking digital cameras, so they went for ugly!
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Bill,

You're right, it is "pissible"

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Saw this on Facebook.

Thought folks here might like to read about a pissible new Hassleblad.

http://petapixel.com/2016/06/21/hass...orless-camera/
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Did I miss the part where I can use my "legacy glass"?

I remember the day I got my 500C, used from a local camera dealer in Oakland, CA. I thought I had died and gone to heaven. It still sits on the shelf behind me. . . I have taken some of my favorite pictures with it. At some point in the future, I hope the price/performance curves cross again for me with Hassie. It won't this decade, I don't think.
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Oh Saul, and I haven't had any wine yet!

I corrected it but maybe you're right and leave the spelling as is! Ha!
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I am amazed by Hasselblad's ability to consistently bring such ugly digital cameras to the market. They must be working with designers from hell.
They certainly lost their mojo. Hopefully Fuji (the likely maker of that thing) will sell a slightly less uglified version under their own brand, as they did before...
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Do you think this might be a new series that later may have more products?

It seems like a large price discount on their other digital cameras.
Yes. They'll probably release some more lenses but I think a majority of their sales will come from adapters for the H and V lenses. It would be incredibly stupid for them not to release some adapters. That also opens up the doors for all the other MF system lenses that are out there...
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Did I miss the part where I can use my "legacy glass"?

I remember the day I got my 500C, used from a local camera dealer in Oakland, CA. I thought I had died and gone to heaven. It still sits on the shelf behind me. . . I have taken some of my favorite pictures with it. At some point in the future, I hope the price/performance curves cross again for me with Hassie. It won't this decade, I don't think.
They'd be stupid not to release adapters for their H and V lenses. I'm sure someone like Novoflex will come out with adapters for other MF system lenses too.
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I actually like the look. utilitarian, clean. They could do without the logo, though.

The question is, how much "sensor" would I be getting if I shot this with an FF lens but cropped to square. 32x32? On that note, would the longer M lenses (75/90) actually cover more than FF?
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Actually I think this is a nice design. Very german, very slick and robust looking. For me personally the best looking digital cameras have been this one, Sigma Sd Quatro and Leica S line. But I don't own any of them..
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The question is, how much "sensor" would I be getting if I shot this with an FF lens but cropped to square. 32x32?
With baffled lenses it might even be little more than 24x24.
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Old 06-21-2016   #15
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It would seem Hassy is aiming for both the Leica SL and S2.

It will be more than interesting how the images compare.

I wonder if Hassy can figure out how to build zooms that weigh less than five pounds and have smaller than 82mm filters.
Probably not. If Leica can't do it for the SL, it must be impossible.
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I think the design looks great and will likely be fairly light too since it is reported to be using the same medium format sensor that is in my CFV50C back...which costs more than this by the way.

Funny thing is that Hasselblad has always been expensive gear, even pre-digital and yet with all these newbies to photography and old timers who relish the great deals they now get on used V system components, well Hasselblad is not allowed to charge enough to cover their R&D and employee's salaries...so they constantly catch flak from the bitter peanut gallery.

I expect the two lenses to be light too and V, H system adapters to be out of the gate right away.

Go Hasselblad, best camera system ever made!
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if it's definitely MF (645 size?) then the body seems much slimmer than the other digital MF cameras out there.
if the sensor sits so close to the mount then there there might definitely be a chance to mount legacy MF lenses
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The interesting question will be whether it has a focal plane shutter. A leaf-shuttered camera might appeal more to their professional customers - but it would make that thing fairly useless as a Sony style generic adapted lens carrier...
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I like it!
This and the 45mm would be nice..
Provided its not a boat anchor..
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What I really want to see is them release a fast prime for this system. Something like a 60mm f/2. Now that would make a portrait dream machine. It would be more of a normal lens too. The 45mm is a slight wide and the 90mm is a slight tele on this sensor so I'm hoping they are going to fill the gap with something like that.
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With baffled lenses it might even be little more than 24x24.
Right, but I don't think any of the FF mirrorless lenses are baffled except for some Sony FE's and the SL 24-90? None of the modern M lenses are.
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B & H has this one, a P&S at a big discount:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...ra_walnut.html

Maybe a clean sweep, out with the old and a new digital line up.
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Timing is great for me, I have been investigating MF digital for a couple of months. I really like the look of it. Now if it is a true Hassie that shoots square I am in.
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Right, but I don't think any of the FF mirrorless lenses are baffled except for some Sony FE's and the SL 24-90? None of the modern M lenses are.
Considering the M lenses have to have an image circle large enough for a ~42mm diameter, I would think you should get around what you were predicting. Some FF DSLR system lenses, particularly zooms at certain points in their zoom range, will cover larger than FF, though the question is how good they'll be at the edges on a larger format... But it would require de-baffling many or all of those.

Over on the FM alt forum a number of years ago, I recall a guy adapted a Canon FD 85/1.2L lens to Mamiya 645 film, and believe it covered pretty much the full image area, but IIRC, he didn't have infinity focus.
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Considering the M lenses have to have an image circle large enough for a ~42mm diameter, I would think you should get around what you were predicting. Some FF DSLR system lenses, particularly zooms at certain points in their zoom range, will cover larger than FF, though the question is how good they'll be at the edges on a larger format... But it would require de-baffling many or all of those.

Over on the FM alt forum a number of years ago, I recall a guy adapted a Canon FD 85/1.2L lens to Mamiya 645 film, and believe it covered pretty much the full image area, but IIRC, he didn't have infinity focus.
I'm somewhat intrigued by the prospect of shooting 135 wides (21mm,28mm) on a square format with no loss of frame compared to FF. The other fun thing to do would be using Leica teles (APO 90, 75) for portraits on a square format.

$9,000 is still a lot of money, more than what I sold my entire Pentax 645 kit for. It would be fun to see what people can do with this body and adapted lenses, though...
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There was a rumor about a new camera with M-mount; clearly this Hasselblad is not that. The sensor is reportedly 33x44mm, same physical size as the one in the Pentax 645Z, and perhaps related to it. By comparison, the Leica S sensor is in the same ballpark at 30x45mm. These are significantly larger than "full frame" so I would not expect full frame lenses to be routinely applicable, while acknowledging that some long Leica R lenses cover ok adapted to the S. I do think the short register distance will make it likely many other medium-format lenses can be adapted.

33x44mm has a diagonal of 55mm, to give an idea of "normal" focal length (vs 43mm for full-frame 35), and the "crop factor" is 0.8
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I am amazed by Hasselblad's ability to consistently bring such ugly digital cameras to the market. They must be working with designers from hell.

I love my Fuji GA645 so I kinda like this one.
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B & H has this one, a P&S at a big discount:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...ra_walnut.html

Maybe a clean sweep, out with the old and a new digital line up.


How the hell do you suddenly peel fifteen hundred dollars off the price of a camera. I realise they are keen to get rid of the things but ........
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Anyone noticed that the raised dial in the first link (the original pictures posted by Hasselblad) doesn't seem to be raised in the second link (today's leak)?

http://petapixel.com/2016/06/20/hass...-worlds-first/

http://petapixel.com/2016/06/21/hass...orless-camera/
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How the hell do you suddenly peel fifteen hundred dollars off the price of a camera. I realise they are keen to get rid of the things but ........
At current prices you get the better warranty, a super-nice box, strap, case and a wooden grip for $200 extra.

I bought one as a gift for a close friend and photographer...
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Anyone noticed that the raised dial in the first link (the original pictures posted by Hasselblad) doesn't seem to be raised in the second link (today's leak)?

http://petapixel.com/2016/06/20/hass...-worlds-first/

http://petapixel.com/2016/06/21/hass...orless-camera/
Retractable dial which locks via being recessed?
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How the hell do you suddenly peel fifteen hundred dollars off the price of a camera. I realise they are keen to get rid of the things but ........

They can do it because the camera was grossly overpriced to begin with, in an attempt to milk idiots entranced by a name. They're probably still making a profit after taking off that $1500.
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They can do it because the camera was grossly overpriced to begin with, in an attempt to milk idiots entranced by a name. They're probably still making a profit after taking off that $1500.


You said what I was thinking Chris. lol
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They can do it because the camera was grossly overpriced to begin with, in an attempt to milk idiots entranced by a name. They're probably still making a profit after taking off that $1500.
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$9000 is a great price for a Hassy. It's not that much more than the Pentax 645Z, so they've clearly turned away from the last few years of hideous and laughably marked up Sony cameras, and they're not positioning it as a veblen good like Leica. I can't wait until it's obsolete.

As for the design, the front looks like a flattened 500c/m, which doesn't jive with the 4:3 sensor. It's not an "honest" design, just a lame version of retro. The "H" logo is an eyesore, too, worse than the Leica red dot. That said, the shape of the evf hump could have been worse. I do hope Fuji is involved and will have their own redesigned version. If not, I hope they really are making a medium format mirrorless camera.

So...do the lenses have leaf shutters? Is the LCD articulated? Will there be tilt/shift lenses? Is it weathersealed?
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Actually I think this is a nice design. Very german, very slick and robust looking. ..
I thought Hasselblad was meant to be Swedish?

Hmm, maybe they should put some antlers on it.

I like the design too, not sure why some think this is ugly. It looks much better than the Leica SL, any of the Sonys etc etc
In fact, it looks awfully like a digital mamiya 7, and peeps seem to like those.
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I like it. Interested to see the full release specs.
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1. It's not full frame, 1.3x
2. New mount and adapters will be expensive due to the mount size.
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1. It's not full frame, 1.3x
2. New mount and adapters will be expensive due to the mount size.
Of course it's not full frame. Full frame is the term for a sensor with a size equivalent to 24mmx36mm
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