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Old 11-02-2019   #1
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Contax G2, weird frames, please help

Hi guys I have been using my G2 for 5 years and this happened first time. Seems like it is advancing the film while shooting. Has anyone had this too? I don't want to be pessimistic but I am afraid of any failure as those cameras aren't easy to fix.

I have one more shot like that in the same roll.

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Yes. Seen this. Some kind of shutter problem. Sometimes I have it quite bad, sometimes just one or two frames, sometimes none... Tried changing batteries (as some forums suggest), cleaning lens contacts... Nothing helped.

Actually, if you pay attention, you can hear that for those failed shots shutter sound is quite different - shutter opens with the delay when film is already transported to the next frame.
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Oh dear as I was afraid of. Any service man can do something? Or totally random unknown cause? Haven't realized any different sound. Do you have links to those forums? Maybe one suggestio might help to my case?
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Got one link, recent post but no remedy except cleaning contacts as you say.

https://www.photo.net/discuss/thread.../#post-5660621

It is so annoying. You would need to test a roll and you won't be sure that it is gone or not. This really disappoints me.
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I actually contacted one recommended Contax repair service in Germany describing the issue - they replied that they had no spare parts anymore (thus I assume it must be shutter related).
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So what will you do? Live with it or?
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So what will you do? Live with it or?
I live with it. Losing a few shots a roll is not a big deal. Annoying, but what can I do - selling as faulty is not worth, getting another one is probably not worth either - you never know when (or if) this can happen to another G2...
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I live with it. Losing a few shots a roll is not a big deal. Annoying, but what can I do - selling as faulty is not worth, getting another one is probably not worth either - you never know when (or if) this can happen to another G2...
Valdas, I checked it without film and fired shutter maybe 50 times but didnt notice any different sound. Do you think this means it is ok or mine is without any sound indication?
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Valdas, I checked it without film and fired shutter maybe 50 times but didnt notice any different sound. Do you think this means it is ok or mine is without any sound indication?
It could be OK, but it could come back. Sometimes I have several rolls with no issues and then it comes back. Try to shoot with the back door open (without film). When it happens, you will see that the shutter won't open or it will open too late. Then you have "art" See below one of those shots:



The worst is when shutter completely fails to open, then you don't have a "drag" but a completely empty frame. I had those too. I learned to remember which frame failed and then when film is finished I would put the same roll, would wind the film forward (shooting with lens covered) to those failed frames and shoot them again
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It could be OK, but it could come back. Sometimes I have several rolls with no issues and then it comes back. Try to shoot with the back door open (without film). When it happens, you will see that the shutter won't open or it will open too late. Then you have "art" See below one of those shots:

The worst is when shutter completely fails to open, then you don't have a "drag" but a completely empty frame. I had those too. I learned to remember which frame failed and then when film is finished I would put the same roll, would wind the film forward (shooting with lens covered) to those failed frames and shoot them again
haha, no shots being wasted

Well sounds like I will have something similar I mean the frequency. I hope I can feel or hear it so that I don't miss a moment in an important occasion because when you don't feel it, it would be the worst. As long is you realize, you can shoot again the same frame. You see what I mean.
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Damn, I hate seeing these fantastic cameras become unserviceable orphans. Enjoy every shot you can.
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Exactly jawarden. I cant describe how I am disappointed. I had 2-3 G bodies and got rid of them due to focusing failures. And I was hopeful and determined to get a faultless G2. And I have been very content with my G2 setup and used it more than M6 so far for the last 5 years without any issues. Until yesterday I am introduced to a brand new chronic failure by this setup. I am just hopeful that mine gives a sign when this failure happens (like valdas's case) so I can continue using it. Otherwise I wouldnt like to carry a setup with a random failure potential that can fail without I realize.
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I had a G1 and G2 and they were the best cameras I ever owned. The G2 started having intermittent issues that the authorized service center (I think they were called coserv or something like that) couldn't fix, so I divested. I ended up getting a Zeiss Ikon (another wonderful camera) which is now also an orphan with parts drying up. What can you do, this is film photography today. Enjoy while you can, and when the time comes the time comes.

The nice part is you got five years out of that rig, which is pretty good considering the age of the camera and the amount of technology in it.
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.. What can you do, this is film photography today. ..
Not at all. This is just reflective of old electronic kameras. Which is why it is much better to either buy cheap electronic film kameras, or mechanical ones.

I do sympathize with the OP, G2s are gorgeous kameras with fantastic lenses.
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Maybe,just maybe ,you have inadvertently knocked the drive knob? I did this once many years ago and I thought the G2 was over. I looked and discovered I had moved from S to multi mode. This is probably not your problem but it's worth looking at the selection mode.
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Maybe,just maybe ,you have inadvertently knocked the drive knob? I did this once many years ago and I thought the G2 was over. I looked and discovered I had moved from S to multi mode. This is probably not your problem but it's worth looking at the selection mode.
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Wow a glimpse of hope for me. I will check. Do you mean if it was in midway between two modes?
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It's easy to do just knocking it away from your usual setting. I did once and got multiple exposures. Only when I got home and looked at the mode did I realise what I had done.
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This guy on Instagram, in the UK, works on G2's and in fact any old film cameras. https://www.instagram.com/ppp_repairs/
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He also has a website now http://www.pppphotography.co.uk/sets/camera-repairs/

and here is an interview with him
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Not at all. This is just reflective of old electronic kameras. Which is why it is much better to either buy cheap electronic film kameras, or mechanical ones.

I agree that cheap electronic or mechanical is a great way to go, and if you look at the OP's list of cameras you can see he's already gone that route as well (as have I). But that route does not offer the capabilities or user experience that his G2 does, which is why he's bummed about these problems, just like I was.

What can you do, that's film photography today; You can buy a "modern" high quality, highly capable electronic film camera like the G series and hope to get some years of use out of it before electronics or parts availability kills it, or just bite the bullet and get a vintage/cheap/mechanical that you don't really want.

I do think you can still buy the G series and have them "pay for themselves" with enjoyment and excellent negatives over time, but you have to be realistic about what you expect from the experience, and for how long, and what you're ultimately paying for it.
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Hi Nigel, not sure if it would be economical to send it to UK due to shipping and not sure if he is able to fix Contax G bodies. Will contact. Thank you so much anyways.
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I agree that cheap electronic or mechanical is a great way to go, and if you look at the OP's list of cameras you can see he's already gone that route as well (as have I). But that route does not offer the capabilities or user experience that his G2 does, which is why he's bummed about these problems, just like I was.

What can you do, that's film photography today; You can buy a "modern" high quality, highly capable electronic film camera like the G series and hope to get some years of use out of it before electronics or parts availability kills it, or just bite the bullet and get a vintage/cheap/mechanical that you don't really want.

I do think you can still buy the G series and have them "pay for themselves" with enjoyment and excellent negatives over time, but you have to be realistic about what you expect from the experience, and for how long, and what you're ultimately paying for it.
Maybe I should go with G1 due to its price.
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Maybe I should go with G1 due to its price.
The payoff does come sooner with the G1 for sure, assuming you aren't hung up on the features and lenses that require the G2. If you get, say, two years of trouble free shooting from a G1 and you pay $200 for the body I'd say that's cheap rent enjoying those superlative lenses. Everyone's mileage varies of course.
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Hi again,
I suggested you may have accidentally changed the drive mode. However what about the custom settings? Maybe you should cancel all the function settings for a start. I only use the film rewind with the leader out so it's easier to load into the developing tank.
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I suggested you may have accidentally changed the drive mode. However what about the custom settings? Maybe you should cancel all the function settings for a start. I only use the film rewind with the leader out so it's easier to load into the developing tank.
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Is there an easy way to cancel all? My preference is the same as yours.
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To cancel all custom functions you are looking for CLE in the list of custom functions. It is on page 175 and 188. If you haven't the handbook I will endeavour to take you through the stages. While the camera is on hold the iso button and the focus lock on the back of the body for about 2 seconds. You will see the function number flash in the window near the iso button. The handbook shows 1-0 that's the first function. You change from 1,2,3,4,5 and CLE( which stands for clear) by turning the dial on the front of the body. It's like setting a digital clock you have to go through the sequences . The only one I use is 3 so for me it's 3-1. If you rotate the dial on the front till you get to CLE once you turn off the camera the functions are set.
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Yes custom function . Press iso button and focus button on the back of the body while the camera is on for 2 seconds. The function will flash ( the handbook shows 1-0) By rotating the dial on front of the body you ca maneover through the various functions till after 5 . You will then see CLE ( which means clear). After having selected that one turn off the camera and it's clear.
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Whiskering may be cause of problem

I am just speculating here, but from my experience with various electronic items it seems that many of these inconsistent electronic failures/gremlins may be caused by microscopic "whiskering" on the circuit boards. This phenomenon involves the growth of microscopic, conductive hair-like growths on circuit boards over time and use with current running through them. These whiskers cause intermittent/periodic short circuits resulting in irregular performance. (These whiskers are sometimes referred to as "tin whiskers").
These problems became more prevalent after lead was removed from many solders used in manufacturing in the early-mid 1990's due to environmental concerns -- which was around the time the Contax G1 and G2 were released -- as lead in solders tend to inhibit whiskering.

I have personally experienced situations where faulty electronics have been revived by simply vacuuming electronic circuit boards with a suitable micro-brush attachment -- presumably because the gentle brushing and vacuuming action removed the whiskers. It might be worthwhile to try this. But this vacuuming must be done very delicately!!!
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I am just speculating here, but from my experience with various electronic items it seems that many of these inconsistent electronic failures/gremlins may be caused by microscopic "whiskering" on the circuit boards. This phenomenon involves the growth of microscopic, conductive hair-like growths on circuit boards over time and use with current running through them. These whiskers cause intermittent/periodic short circuits resulting in irregular performance. (These whiskers are sometimes referred to as "tin whiskers").
These problems became more prevalent after lead was removed from many solders used in manufacturing in the early-mid 1990's due to environmental concerns -- which was around the time the Contax G1 and G2 were released -- as lead in solders tend to inhibit whiskering.

I have personally experienced situations where faulty electronics have been revived by simply vacuuming electronic circuit boards with a suitable micro-brush attachment -- presumably because the gentle brushing and vacuuming action removed the whiskers. It might be worthwhile to try this. But this vacuuming must be done very delicately!!!
I found the last remaining repairman in Turkey. He said shutter might be delayed due to a mechanical thing, gears etc. He said he has experience with G2 and that their shutter need regular maintenance so might be a small fix but I need to send it through. So I still have some hope. Electronic failures are what I am scared of.
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