Old 07-09-2017   #201
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Yesterday morning before it got too hot, I ran around town with a ND8 filter on the lens.
The focus across a wide range of distances seems to hold at f/1.1 - so it seems that the lens is perfectly useable with film cameras ( f/5.6 also seemed okay )

All at f/1.1:





It seems that visualizing the Bokeh will be the greatest challenge.



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Old 07-09-2017   #202
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What if 7Artisans sent you a 50/1.1 for evaluation, Helen?!
Would you turn them down?
I don't think I can trust her evaluation for this lens now, w heavy bias against 'Chinese lens' , let me guess, she lives near Flashing (New Yawk Chinatown)...It's like sending the lens to Jaap to review

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''I ended up paying $318 for the lens shipped. I have a $50 buffer for a possible resale if I don't like it. However, I think that I will love this lens. It is smaller and lighter than a CV 50/1.1, I think.
It is less costly than a nikkor 50/1.1 or a Zunow 50/1.1 or a Leica 50/1.0 or a Canon 50/1.2.''

Great choice Raid, Tabao (like Chinese Amazon) is selling Y$1,980 ($291), plus $16 shipping to US, some photos of the user there too

https://world.taobao.com/item/552091...328109ce7KhvSI

I am really interested by these Chinese (well, I am a Chinese) lenses, I think one of the RFf-er Leo bought a Zonglai 25mm...I'm eyeing on 7Artisans or Zonglai or Neewer's 25mm 1.8, I just need to buy a Sony E mount camera first...
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Ok now that I've learned the lens has a .7m MFD I'm more interested. For the price it seems genuinely hard to argue with and not a complete dog. I just have nothing faster than f/2.4 so it would be nice in lower light to have a fast 50 to work with and I have been wanting to do some work with Cinestill 800T for a couple projects. This could make an interesting pairing.
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This lens may have another interesting effect, and not a photographic one. If it takes off, it may put downward price pressure on other new and used super-speed lenses. This competition will be to the benefit of enthusiasts needing, or wanting, fast primes.
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This lens may have another interesting effect, and not a photographic one. If it takes off, it may put downward price pressure on other new and used super-speed lenses. This competition will be to the benefit of enthusiasts needing, or wanting, fast primes.
I dunno, seeing who can take the smallest profit may bankrupt them and then where would we be? It means less to spend on research and so on. Worse still, a lot of firms rely on sales to pay for their service after the sale and so on. So we end up with what?

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Following this thread with interest.
I think they will make money with this lens. They most likely are going to make a large amount certainly more than every other brand and they might be able to squeak out perhaps 75-100 dollars per lens profit depending. Most likely the result of excess glass capacity meeting a good use for that glass since computational ray tracing is getting faster all the time. Photos look pretty good
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Am I the only person who thinks the sample images look good? Especially on film?

To my eyes, they look better than those produced by the Canon 50mm f1.2, my only fast lens. I chose the Canon over the Voigtlander because of the size and the price. The Canon is quite short actually.

But this Chinese lens seems to have better ergonomics than both the Voigtlander and the Canon. It's just painful to look at the size of Voigtlander and even the smaller Canon is NOT comfortable to use due to its wide focus ring and long focus throw. The 0.7m minimum focus distance makes it unique and seals the deal for me. The only thing I don't like is the clickless aperture ring, but at least it has an aperture ring that turns in the correct way unlike some Sonnar copies. And it's not something that can't be changed in the future.

Frankly when you get the picture, nobody would care if you made it with a Chinese lens or a German lens.

For the price I don't even care if the lens is poorly made. If it breaks down or attracts fungus, I'll just buy another one, for the price of a CLA.
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I dunno, seeing who can take the smallest profit may bankrupt them and then where would we be? It means less to spend on research and so on. Worse still, a lot of firms rely on sales to pay for their service after the sale and so on. So we end up with what?

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Profit is for capitalists, my good comrade. They don't need no freakin' capitalists in the land of the Great Wall, LOL. This lens is for the people. Power to the people!
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Profit is for capitalists, my good comrade. They don't need no freakin' capitalists in the land of the Great Wall, LOL. This lens is for the people. Power to the people!
Hi,

Will you get one for your FED?

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Would you buy two 50/1.1; one in black and one in silver?
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Old 07-10-2017   #211
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We all want to see images from this lens!
I started a new flickr group to aggregate images.
Please join the group to follow along and post your images.
There are no images at this time so please post them up guys/gals

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Am I the only person who thinks the sample images look good? Especially on film?

I like what I've seen, and the price is spectacular.
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Old 07-10-2017   #213
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I suspect a lot here also regularly look at l-camera forum ; many more samples from myself and others over there at https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic...m-mount/page-4





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Am I the only person who thinks the sample images look good? Especially on film?
What's most refreshing about shooting with this lens on B&W film, is the lack of purple fringing
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yeah, this lens may shine on b&w
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Old 07-11-2017   #216
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What I like most about this lens is that it is a f1.1 Leica M mount lens you might just buy for the heck of it. A bit like buying a Porsche 911 for the price of a Toyota Corolla. Who cares if it pulls to one side or leaks oil? Just enjoy the ride.
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I got mine today, The focus seemed off, When I focused on infinity my rangefinder patch went way past the mark, I adjusted it until infinity was dead on, I'll load up a test roll in the morning.
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The images look great from it. If I had an extra $400 I'd get one then shoot the hell out of it and post wide open images to a certain list I belong to and lie to all the Leica sycophants that I got a Noctilux. They'd drool anyways just because I said so. I can do that to some extent with my Nikon glass and people will believe me because the internet is the internet. People want to believe in their $9000 lens.

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I got mine today, The focus seemed off, When I focused on infinity my rangefinder patch went way past the mark, I adjusted it until infinity was dead on, I'll load up a test roll in the morning.
https://world.taobao.com/item/552091...328109ce7KhvSI

Scroll down before the little girl picture, in Chinese for Leica m4, m4-2, m4-p
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first *; We will do adjustment for you if you are using M4 cameras, provide your model # when ordering this lens...
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Scroll down before the little girl picture, in Chinese for Leica m4, m4-2, m4-p
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first *; We will do adjustment for you if you are using M4 cameras, provide your model # when ordering this lens...
Thanks! I'm using a M6. I'm not sure how that makes a difference.
I wouldn't trust the ebay seller to make any adjustments.
Do you think it's best that I adjust for near focus?
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Once I get some discretionary funds. This thing is mine.

I actually like the ability to adjust focus. That's really a brilliant idea on the part of these 7 artisans I would really like my Canon 50/1.4 on the M9 and M240, but it front focuses a tad. I will adjust the lens, but its a "tedious" operation involving disassembly, replacing shims (hopefully), reassembly, testing, and repeating the process until the shim thickness is correct. Or, if there isn't a sufficiently thick original shim in the lens, I'm looking at machining and then shim adjustment. Jeez! Or, I could just buy a $350 DJ-Optical/7artisans lens and follow the instructions. So much easier So yeah, I'll end up with this lens. Fairly soon I think.
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Thanks! I'm using a M6. I'm not sure how that makes a difference.
I wouldn't trust the ebay seller to make any adjustments.
Do you think it's best that I adjust for near focus?
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I am assuming you are using m4s, and on Taobao site, the seller acknowledge that the lens needs adjustment before using on m4s...
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We all want to see images from this lens!
I started a new flickr group to aggregate images.
Please join the group to follow along and post your images.
There are no images at this time so please post them up guys/gals

here is the link:

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Good idea Andy, Thanks!
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I am assuming you are using m4s, and on Taobao site, the seller acknowledge that the lens needs adjustment before using on m4s...
Based on these videos, it seems there is a tolerance issue specific to the M4 mount release stopping it locking in place.

https://youtu.be/skHZ9nzQQl8?t=3m14s

and the follow up:

https://youtu.be/FugszF2VTUQ
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Two quick shots with a Sony A7s.
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Thank you Michael. Do you like/love this lens?
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Hi Raid

I was surprised by the build ie it felt substantial and the focusing smooth and nicely damped.

The copy I used ( courtesy of Jem Kline , Real Camera) was silver and looked every inch the part.

I`d need more time to think about how it performed .... only knocked off a few quick shots at 1.2 and 1.1.
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I was surprised by the build ie it felt substantial and the focusing smooth and nicely damped.

The copy I used ( courtesy of Jem Kline , Real Camera) was silver and looked every inch the part.

I`d need more time to think about how it performed .... only knocked off a few quick shots at 1.2 and 1.1.
+1. Got my silver one on Mon. What a substantial, dense little chunk of glass. The only Leica lens i own where the mount is fixed with Torx screws. Calibrated mine yesterday, that is a bit of a Pita due to the rf cam construction and short throw.

Anyways, so far so good, hopefully will get to shoot it on the week-end.

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Just wait till they decide to make a rangefinder for it..at 1/10 the price of the Leica M..I would love to see that..lol..
Leica needs a little competition..
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I have been waiting and waiting fir the lens to arrive from China. Still no lens delivery. This is frustrating.
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I have been waiting and waiting fir the lens to arrive from China. Still no lens delivery. This is frustrating.
Was it 316$ and free shipping? Most likely it is in the middle of the Ocean at this moment.
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Exactly. My lens is floating somewhere across an ocean!
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Two quick shots with a Sony A7s.
Those pics look fabulous, Michael.

Very nice and pleasant separation of the main subject to the background.

Very tempting to get the one calibrated for the M4.
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Thanks very much...
I guess its main competition is with the Voitlander 50/1.1 ?

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Very nice BW page so far!

I dare to recommend to check images in color, before entering this lens to competition.
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Thanks very much...
I guess its main competition is with the Voitlander 50/1.1 ?
I look at it as a completely different lens, unique really as a Zunow replica (extended Sonnar). Will be hard to beat my Nokton as I use it (as a high performance landscape lens). Your pics show a great 3D separation, Michael.

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I have similar feelings about ordering me such a lens. It will give a different lens to use. Maybe, identifying its imperfections can be exploited for the good?
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Ah .... didn`t know about the lens design I must have skipped that bit in the thread.

I do tend to like the Sonnar design lenses.
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I have been waiting and waiting fir the lens to arrive from China. Still no lens delivery. This is frustrating.
Sorry to hear that, and hope you get your lens soon. Ended up buying mine from Amazon and paying an extra $10 for expedited shipping ($379 total). Shipped from Singapore and arrived in six calendar days to the US west coast, and that's including two days processing time before it even got to the carrier.

For everyone who shoots film, take a look at the Flickr group Andy created. One of the members there has posted quite a few photos taken on a M3.

And if flare bothers you, look for a lens hood, as the lens flares very easily....at least on a a7rii.

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