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Frank Jackson on Street Photography I am happy and excited to announce a new RFF forum on Street Photography mentored by Frank Jackson, one of the best producers of analog B/W prints I have ever seen. His shows include the Open Shutter Gallery, Heriard-Cimino Gallery, and Ogden Museum of Southern Art. His images are in the collections of Smithsonian Ogden Museum of Southern Art, California Afro American Museum and Xavier University New Orleans LA. He has worked for or has been featured with Visa Card, Xerox, UCLA, Eric Owen Moss, Architect, Hasselblad Forum (cover),Gordon Parks, Muhammed Ali, Million Man March Wash. DC, Lionel Hampton, jazz legion photographer , 1995-2002, Stevie Wonder, B+W Magazine (British version) twice, Rangefinder Magazine, Dahon Bicycles, Arelli Wheels, Real Product Design, Automobile Club of Southern California. Frank's online images are at fotographz.500px.com and fotographzfrankjackson.tumblr.com . "While on this diverse photographic journey…I have to say during this whole time my love for fine art black and white photography kept growing. I always found time to shoot in different cities and my own personal work…this has sustained me through some very tough times. As of 2012, with the help of a very good friend I maintain a state-of-the-art dream darkroom. The darkroom helps greatly in the on-going practice of understanding “the light”, being able to process film and print drives me to keep my digital photography “organic”. I’m curious visually and shooting what’s, what on the street feeds this curiosity. Everyday I walk out my front door to “see” the world with a digital camera, a film camera, the “cup” and an open mind (mostly).

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Old 02-06-2015   #41
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I don't think there was gratuitous dismissal of the work (yet), that said if you arrive somewhere new and expect nothing but approval you're in for disappointment.
That's not the point. Did the thread ask for a critique? How about a little respect for someone (who was formerly not a member) who the owner chose to be the mentor for a new forum? The person is here to help those who feel they can be helped by that person. If you are already too good for their advice, then what good does disparaging the images do?
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That's not the point. Did the thread ask for a critique? How about a little respect for someone (who was formerly not a member) who the owner chose to be the mentor for a new forum? The person is here to help those who feel they can be helped by that person. If you are already too good for their advice, then what good does disparaging the images do?
Ouch John
I really don't think our member 'Lauffray'
was being soooo disparaging or possibly rude in the way he chose his Words

Well here to 'finding' a Good Street Shot... May we ALL be Lucky !
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That's not the point. Did the thread ask for a critique? How about a little respect for someone (who was formerly not a member) who the owner chose to be the mentor for a new forum? The person is here to help those who feel they can be helped by that person. If you are already too good for their advice, then what good does disparaging the images do?
... that all sounds a tad prescriptive though.
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Wow, we are off to a good start with this new section...

Why are you guys always disparaging other people's work? Just because you like an image to be a certain way doesn't mean that everyone else needs to conform to those same attributes.
But....I actually gave some critique.

You can't have all praise and then silence from those who find the images lacking, that would make venues like this one pretty much worthless and like Flickr, endless circles of empty mutual praise.
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maybe we should go back to arguing about gear...
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Ouch John
I really don't think our member 'Lauffray'
was being soooo disparaging or possibly rude in the way he chose his Words

Well here to 'finding' a Good Street Shot... May we ALL be Lucky !
Not at all... and I didn't think I was rude to him. I've met Jerome a few times, so I hope he knows this isn't personal with him.
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But....I actually gave some critique.

You can't have all praise and then silence from those who find the images lacking, that would make venues like this one pretty much worthless and like Flickr, endless circles of empty mutual praise.
But have you thought that maybe you are too advanced for the purpose of this section of the forum? and it was meant to be an introduction to the mentor for that section? And that he's taking time out, unpaid, because the owner asked him to?
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... that all sounds a tad prescriptive though.
Maybe so...
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Not at all... and I didn't think I was rude to him. I've met Jerome a few times, so I hope he knows this isn't personal with him.
Silly !!
Didn't call you or think you rude
Just an 'Ouch'

'Rude' was Meant to mean :
Lauffray's Thoughts did not seem Disparaging or Rude
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maybe we should go back to arguing about gear...
Haha, GOOD ONE !!
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I am familiar with this gentleman's work and Stephen's support for it. I do find it interesting that he seems to shoot with lenses 50mm, but seemingly, at least to me, mostly longer. For myself, that is something that could be a discussion in and of itself.
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But have you thought that maybe you are too advanced for the purpose of this section of the forum? and it was meant to be an introduction to the mentor for that section? And that he's taking time out, unpaid, because the owner asked him to?
I honestly had no idea, I just saw comments on the photos and thought why not give some input that would offer a different view? Maybe I should just edit the post to say "The photos seem pretty average to me".

I will never understand this web phenom of either giving praise or not saying anything at all, it's just not the way things work in the real world.

Changing my post for the good of the happy people, lol!
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Do any of you think that when the Magnum team assemble to discuss members work and prospective members work, that it's all sweetness and light?

Differing views are what makes a clearer direction as long as there is a strong leader to pull it together.

So, don't be prickly if others say their say, whether disparaging or otherwise, be excited at the prospect of breadth of opinion.
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That's not the point. Did the thread ask for a critique? How about a little respect for someone (who was formerly not a member) who the owner chose to be the mentor for a new forum? The person is here to help those who feel they can be helped by that person. If you are already too good for their advice, then what good does disparaging the images do?
True, it didn't, saw some people opining about the photographs I thought we were talking about that since there was no word yet from our new mentor. In any case, I believe it a greater sign of respect to show someone honesty, and since he's the successful working photographer and I'm not I don't think my opinion carries much weight.

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Not at all... and I didn't think I was rude to him. I've met Jerome a few times, so I hope he knows this isn't personal with him.
No worries, I know what you mean
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I just want to clarify that I don't have a problem with critiques. Hard critiques help people develop. I just didn't think this was the place for it yet. However, I do NOW see that the OP was not specific in what the purpose of the post was, so I can see why we all reacted differently to it.
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And here I thought I was going to see selfies of Stephen Gandy covered in welts from rubber bullets...;-)

Sigh.....ok, ok....The notch codes have me inspired, I am going I take my Mamiya 6 out for spin while on errands...
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I'm going to Tokyo in a few weeks for a little street photography. What lenses should I bring?
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I saw these and tried to understand the title thread, and my initial take was that Stephen had shot all these and that it was a boast of sorts, certainly justifiable on the evidence, that he knows how to shoot the gear he sells. I like some of them very much. Great for another dimension to be added to the forum. Change is good. A great initiative. Thanks Cameraquest.
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I am happy to see that Frank Jackson is in good company here at RFF. Off hand I can think of no photog from Capa to Cartier-Bresson to Adams to Maier or any other commercially successful photographer who has not had their pics criticized at RFF (or any other online photography forum for that matter) by photogs who mostly have never made a good living professionally in photography - much less have even having a single show at a major photographic gallery.

I chose Frank for this forum because he is not just a good photographer, he is gifted and has a profound understanding of photography. In time as you get to know him and his work, I think most of you will come to agree with me. You don't know the guy yet. Give him a chance. Like any other posts in any other forum, use what you find useful. Frank Jackson is an exceptional photographer and exceptionally knowledgeable about photography. Like all the other RFF Mentors who are willing to share their expertise, RFF is fortunate to have his input.

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Let's not get ahead of ourselves. To begin with, I don't like this digital look.
Really?
Maybe if you had a better eye to recognize the difference between digital and analog pics.
Or maybe no one can really tell the difference between the two on a computer monitor.

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Work from one photographer from one particular area in the USA. And I thought this was an international site. Don't let my observations prevent you from slapping each other on the back though. Well done boss! Great!
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Now that was funny!
Funny, I thougut it was a tad mean spirited to belittle Lauffray in this way
But He is the Boss


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what a warm & wonderful and welcoming start to a new section of rff...
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GREAT NEWS! Perfect forum for RFF. Funny actually that we haven't had one until now. But very welcome indeed! Thanks ahead of time to the moderators and to the Head Bartender.

Of these first images, my favorite is the rail station interior. Beautiful.

I look forward to contributing to this forum and to seeing the work of all the excellent street photographers here on RFF. Happy shooting out on the streets (and all those other public places) everyone!
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Work from one photographer from one particular area in the USA. And I thought this was an international site. Don't let my observations prevent you from slapping each other on the back though. Well done boss! Great!
I don't understand your point here... it's the work of the mentor for the new section of the forum.
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This will be great fun. Another area of many, where I still have much to learn.

Thanks. (I think...)

I do, however, have on question about street photography.

I hope I am allowed to use the 90. I am no good with a 35 and the extra 6 to 9 feet give me a head start when things get exciting. And I need all the head start I can get.
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Good news for the forum !
Don't mean to sour the mood but I don't find these pictures that interesting :-/
No souring of the mood, but it would be interesting to give your take/opinion on why you find these "not interesting", composition? mood? tones? etc etc....something to work off.
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An excellent forum--thanks Stephen! Look forward to seeing all the pix--
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AWESOME! Thanks Stephen, I thought that was the case. It looked like a mix to me.

I think what makes a good or bad critique is lacking here.

Thanks for taking the chance and posting them.

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Really?
Maybe if you had a better eye to recognize the difference between digital and analog pics.
Or maybe no one can really tell the difference between the two on a computer monitor.

1. film Hasselblad Xpan 45mm f8 Kodak Tmax 400 ei 200 dev Xtol 1:2
2. digital Nikon D810 Sigma 50mm f1.4 DG HSM A Adobe Lightroom and Silver EFX2
3. film Hasselblad Xpan 45mm f4 Kodak 400BW C-41
4. film Hasselblad 503cw 40mm CF f5.6 Kodak Tmax 400 ei 200 dev Xtol 1:2
5. film Hasselblad 503cw 40mm CF f8 Kodak Tmax 400 ei 200 dev Xtol 1:2
6. digital Nikon D810 Sigma 50mm f1.8 G Adobe Lightroom and Silver EFX2
7. digital Nikon D810 Sigma 50mm f1.4 DG HSM A Adobe Lightroom and Silver EFX2
8. digital Nikon D810 Sigma 50mm f1.4 DG HSM A Adobe Lightroom and Silver EFX2
9. digital Nikon D810 Sigma 50mm f1.8 G Adobe Lightroom and Silver EFX2
10. film Leica M6 50mm f1.4 ‘lux asph Kodak Tmax 400 ei 200 dev Xtol 1:2
11. film Leica M6 50mm f1.4 ‘lux asph Kodak Tmax 400 ei 200 dev Xtol 1:2
12. film Leica M6 50mm f1.5 ZM sonnar Fuji Neopan 1600 ei 1600 dev Xtol 1:2
13. film Leica M6 50mm f1.5 ZM sonnar Kodak Tmax 400 ei 200 dev Xtol 1:2
14. film Hasselblad 503cw 40mm CFi f4 Kodak Tmax 400 ei 200 dev Xtol 1:2

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Digital looks, long lenses, whine whine whine.


I enjoyed the images and couldn't care less about gear. Wouldn't even care if they were embroidered on old bed sheets with burlap thread. Really, you gear heads take all the fun out of photography.

If you don't like the digital look, do something else for your own stuff. I know you do and nobody criticises you for it, so what's your prerogative to impose your aesthetic views on a mentor who hasn't even written his first post on RFF yet.

Long lenses, if they get the shot done, who cares? Try to build a coherent portfolio for yourself and you will notice it's hard work, any and all gear choices aside.


Lets talk photography, I'm seeing well-composed and well-exposed images that have a pretty consistent look to them whether they are film or digital. I think that's a feat! And I'm looking forward to see esteemed members like the Simons (SimonSawSunlight and OurManInTangier) contribute to this thread with their street photography, because I appreciate their work greatly.

Heck, I might even decide to do some street work myself and finally put it online here as well
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Wow, really surprised by some of the posts here, I can see why a lot of my fellow photographers stay away from the forums...

For example, the two posts above....they sound like you did not even read the thread before responding. I had no idea what in the hell his thread was even about, just a bunch of photos plopped onto the original post with no explanation whatsoever.

So I gave actual critique as to why I thought the photos were lacking and have since deleted that part of my post, seemed like the right thing to do given how I view them and how utterly clueless I was as to what this was about. I have mentors ( and mentor ) too by the way, none who spend a lot of time on the web on photo forums, we converse via email, workshops and other manners in person. Real honest to goodness mentorship is a two way street, not a web-centric love / praise fest...

So I am going to call it like I see it, I think the photos are just ok and this opening cryptic post did the fellow no favors. Better luck next time I guess....
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Wow. phRotFonFet????

Edit: Simultaneous post with KM-25. As my first post indicates, I had no idea what this was about at first either. It was a bit like modern advertising, but this isn't the Super Bowl.
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KM,

my response to the images was on the first page of this thread and I've read it very closely since my first response. I did have 'an idea what in the hell this thread was about' when I replied to the first post.

Furthermore, none of my remarks were targeted at you, so I graciously return the question: have you read the entire thread?

'Photos just being ok', that's fine with me. Even 'digital look' or 'too many long lens shots' is fine with me (it's a free world) but doing so in the first thread on a new forum with a new mentor is just plain rude and uncalled for.


Like you said yourself, Real honest to goodness mentorship is a two way street, and IMHO it shouldn't have anyone driving up the wrong lane on the first day it was opened to traffic!
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it seems so obvious that some folks here are so far above the rest of us when it comes to talent and knowledge and experience and most everything else...it must be a hardship for them to be here...
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My initial post was made on the 1st page before it was clear to most what this was all about. As I said elsewhere I did not *get* that this was some introduction into a new forum sub-section which I think is great. I kept it lighthearted after that, or at least I tried until I become irritated which I *really* am now.

Enjoy the forum folks, I have about a dozen 20x24 prints in the wash that need to be spotted before Monday, ciao!
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Like you said yourself, Real honest to goodness mentorship is a two way street, and IMHO it shouldn't have anyone driving up the wrong lane on the first day it was opened to traffic!
Well said.... and excellent bit of wit. Thanks.
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Old 02-06-2015   #80
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Some fantastic shots in the first post, and I look forward to learning from anywhere I can!
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