Cheap but excellent P&S camera?
Old 07-14-2017   #1
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Cheap but excellent P&S camera?

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I recently started shooting daily pictures with my Ricoh FF-3 super. It is a great camera but I want a camera that produces sharper and more contrasty images. I don't want to spend too much for a P&S as they have too many electronic components in it. I was thinking of Nikon L35AF2 but is it worth it if I already have Ricoh FF-3 Super?

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Old 07-14-2017   #2
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No. they're pretty much the same camera. L35af2 has one less element in the lens. The ricoh is a sharp camera, there may be something wrong with yours? A persons photos, for example.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/bnzaij...57644622731095

The ricoh does seem to run to underexposure, a bit. You might try shooting with a lower asa on the camera than the film speed, or putting a little electrical tape over the top little bit of the meter lens, to block some of the sky that gets to it..The nikon may have a lens you like the look of better, but it's not going to be sharper.
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The craze for the Konica C35 EF3 seems to have died down a bit, I've never used one, but you might look into that. This is a scale focus camera with a 35mm five element lens. There is also the Minolta AF-C.
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Old 07-14-2017   #4
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The lens on the L35AF (not L35AF2) is an excellent Sonnar-type. I like it enough that I adapted one to LTM.
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Old 07-14-2017   #5
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Smena-8M. Sharp, contrasty, no electronics and cheap!

Oops, sorry, it isn't P&S, it is for those who have iPhone and free lightmeter app.
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Old 07-14-2017   #6
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Yashica T4 Super (called T5 in some markets). Excellent Carl Zeiss 35mm f/3.5 Tessar lens, and a second magnified viewfinder on the top deck that enables waist-level and overhead shooting. I think some models were weatherproof as well. I probably still have one lurking in a drawer somewhere....
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Old 07-14-2017   #7
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Not cheap. People are paying a lot because they want to take pics of naked chicks like whats his face, who uses the thing most likely because for a ps, the flash metering is very good.
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Sorry, last I bought one was in Hong Kong around the turn of the century - wasn't expensive then.
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It's a good time to sell!

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Old 07-14-2017   #10
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It's expensive now. The vanilla T4 and the older T3 seems to be better deal as both have the same (or at least similar, for the T3) Tessar lens, sans the waist level finder and weatherproofing. Both are much cheaper.

For the real cheap good cameras I vouch for the Konica Big Minis (the somewhat pricey F not included).
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The lens on the L35AF (not L35AF2) is an excellent Sonnar-type. I like it enough that I adapted one to LTM.
Details please! What did you use for the body, is it RF coupled? Sounds great!
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Old 07-14-2017   #12
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I also really liked my Olympus Stylus Epic 35/2.8 - are those expensive now too?
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Old 07-14-2017   #14
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The "cheap but excellent" P&S is the camera that everyone wants these days, it would seem. Prices of any of the known good P&S have skyrocketed in the past 6 months.
Yashica T4, Olympus Stylus Epic, Nikon L35AF, etc. have all doubled or more in prices.
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Old 07-14-2017   #15
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Compare the specs for the Olympus Infinity Stylus (mju I) and the Yashica T4. They are very similar, but the Yashica is expensive and the Olympus is not.
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If you "had" to skip one of those, "cheap" or "excellent", which one would you skip in order to go forward and be happy and look no further?
The Konica Hexar AF is strictly a P&S, but it seems having been designed like this:
"We the Hexar designers have for long loved Leicas with a high quality 35mm lens, 'cause we can act discreetly and quickly, prefocusing and stopping down... Whatever comes close, we're ready to get it... But when light starts getting low, we must use a much bigger aperture, and focusing is then difficult, so we can't be fast... Let's design a camera with the best autofocus ever, so we can keep shooting quickly in low light too, and let's make it capable of considering the aperture we prefer, but also capable of changing it, and changing shutter speed accordingly, instantly if light is too high or too low for our preferred aperture... Oh, and let's make it capable of AutoExposure with compensation, but with manual mode too for setting shutter speed and aperture the classic way..."
There's nothing like that camera.
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Consider the Konica's: A4 or Big mini series or the olympus stylus. Another option is the pentax espio mini. Nikon-wise the L35AF is on the top of my list but consider also the AF600. The Minolta Riva Mini is excellent too. Last on coming to my mind is the canon sure shot.
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Old 07-14-2017   #18
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Something to consider as mentioned above, Canon SureShot is a pretty good series, I have a SureShot Wp-1 it's waterproof and easy to handle!
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Old 07-14-2017   #19
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Hi,

I don't see how the price can be fixed as cheap or dear; I've had almost every one of the cameras mentioned and I usually find them in charity shops and pay a pound or two for them. On ebay I might have to pay a hundred or more, and then even more for postage...

So buy in charity shops and sell them later on ebay.

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Old 07-15-2017   #20
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Details please! What did you use for the body, is it RF coupled? Sounds great!
Here you go: http://www.rangefinderforum.com/foru...d.php?t=148987 . There's a link to the blog post with all the details in there as well.
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Old 07-15-2017   #21
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Many thanks 02, scale focusing is fine with me! I don't know if I'll ever get to it, but it's an inspiration to know it's possible, I've been jealous of those tirplets and whatnot.

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Old 07-15-2017   #23
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Many thanks 02, scale focusing is fine with me! I don't know if I'll ever get to it, but it's an inspiration to know it's possible, I've been jealous of those tirplets and whatnot.

If you want to get your feet wet with a simpler hack, have a look at this: http://www.rangefinderforum.com/foru...d.php?t=149900
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Not cheap. People are paying a lot because they want to take pics of naked chicks like whats his face, who uses the thing most likely because for a ps, the flash metering is very good.
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I carry a Minolta Freedom Zoom, it has a great lens and a decent autofocus speed.
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The Olympus MJU cameras cost nothing and produce wonderful results. You can get a zoom mju for less than 10 buckazoids.
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Old 07-16-2017   #28
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My vote goes for the XA. Have the XA and the XA2 and love them both. Also, I know this is going to sound weird but I also have a vivitar series 1 500pz and it takes amazing images as well. You can pick them up for less than $10. I really like it a lot. I know it doesn't have the cool factor, but damn does it work.

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Depends upon your preference. My vote would go to XA family or L35AF. Lots of great ones out there these days at a reasonable price.

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Olympus XA is still sensible... but a little more hands on. Unfortunately, this seems to be a category where the good models are very well known and becoming scarcer by the moment. A Contax T3 sold for $1300 in this very forum just a week or two ago! That's crazy.

Hmmm... maybe check out the Ricoh R1 or R1s.
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Okay, i have the Canon AF35M, The Nikon L35AF and the Ricoh FF-70.
The Canon is the largest and most noisiest of the 3, one point i don't like is that the distance scale indicator thingy in the viewfinder only indicates AFTER you have fully pressed the shutter button and taken the picture, at least with mine that is. Lens is great and plenty sharp, manual flash release good / bad?
Nikon is still larger than Ricoh not as noisy as the other two, Great lens, autofocus pretty good and indication before you fully press the shutter so you have confirmation before you wast a shot. Flash pops up automatically when the light is low.
Ricoh being the smallest out of the three, still noisy, great lens auto flash and a fancy LCD and inbuilt lens cover using filter next to impossible. Distance info before you shoot.

All three have sharp lenses if the shot seems soft that is operator error or the camera is faulty some how.

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Hmmm... maybe check out the Ricoh R1 or R1s.[/quote]

Got the R1 in our shop currently with a 99 price tag. Prices on most 'decent' compacts are goin up for sure.
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Hi,

The main advantage of the Olympus XA's and their family is that there are specialist repairers out there and so a typical one bought second-hand can be restored to the original spec. apart from the looks...

BTW, all the cameras mentioned have been fitted with primes, there's a few small ones with zooms I'd add but chances of finding a good one are low. One or two of them are fairly young; Nikon One Touch Zoom 90S and Olympus -V come to mind as fairly recent. Older ones include the Pentax ESPIO 928M and Konica and Minolta also made some seriously good ones.

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Yeah, I'd agree about ditching autofocus and get an XA2. No motor wind screeching or slow auto focus, and the 3 zone focus system works fine for point and shoot photography. And cheap!
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Minolta Himatic AF2 - has worked for me as a briefcase stuffer when traveling for work. Somebody gave it to me because they know I like film cameras, so I can't comment on the cost.
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This thread got me going through my negatives and scan a few frames taken with some P&S cameras i had (at 4800dpi). Here is what i noticed.

* On the top of the chain, there is the Fuji DL supermini - the pictures rival easily the best 28 mm lens i had, the Zuiko 28 f/2.8 - beautiful performance but rather expensive and difficult to come across.

* Then there are cameras like the Yashica T4/T5 and the Nikon L35AF, very close call to say which one produces finer details - sometimes it was the Nikon sometimes it was the Yashica - I have a comparison test here. Problem is that i had to go through a few yashicas as some of them suffered with inconsistent focusing.

* I will put the Konica's A4 or Big Mini, Olympus Epic / Olympus stylus, pentax espio mini and Nikon AF600 in the third scale in terms of how much detail i notice in the pictures -the Stylus epic does a bit better than the rest. All very contrasty lenses, people will be satisfied with them.

And a couple of other random things i noticed - the pictures i got from a Ricoh 500G easily sit between the Yashica T4 and the little Fuji, made me regret selling it. Also, i was underwhelmed by the performance of the Takumar 35 f/2, not much better than the Olympuses (if any at all actually) and no match for the Yashica/Nikon L35AF.

Edit: Also underwhelmed by the Oly XA2 optical performance. A lot of vignetting and detail-wise it wasn't great either. The Stylus/Epic are better...

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i like the autofocus but manual advance p&s cameras of the late 70s to early 80s. the autofocus is silent, and the film advance is more discrete (though crinkly). nice lenses that vignette in a good way. the built-in flash gets you that classic "family photo" look. afaik, they're basically all the same.

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So, apparently the OP lost interest?
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I'd go for the Olympus Stylus. 35mm f/3.5 works well in most conditions. I think I'll eventually upgrade, but I'm digging it for now.
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So, apparently the OP lost interest?
That is okay. I am still interested...
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