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Old 03-30-2017   #41
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Tim, did you remove the shutter on your Medalist? The shutter on my Medalist II needs cleaning, but so far I've had no luck improvising a tool to loosen the retaining ring that holds it on. The repair manual specifies a special wrench made just for that purpose. Kodak really did a job in designing this thing!
I used a strap-wrench, of the sort sold for opening jam jars and such-like, on my Medalist I.

Medalist (I) Shutter removal - 4 by John Hancock, on Flickr
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I'm confused. I thought you had to remove the retaining ring from inside the camera (on the back side of the shutter) to remove the shutter from the camera. Are you saying you can remove the shutter from the front, just using a strap wrench?
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^ I agree . I just rechecked my Medalist and there is in fact a nut (retaining ring) on the inside of the camera . It has two slots . If needed a pic or two will follow . Peter
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Peter, Yeah, I see that, and that is what I always thought needed to be removed before the shutter assembly could be separated from the front of the camera. If that's not true, I'd like to hear about it.
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The retaining ring on the inside is just to hold the black light guard in place. I managed to get the shutter out using the method John shows above. Currently, the whole shutter is disassembled on my desk in front of me. Compared to some smaller Compur shutters I've opened up, this thing is rather easy to work on. I'll post some pics later once I get it back together.
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First off, apologies to the OP for hijacking this thread.
Here's an image from the Medalist parts list.


Untitled by Peter Jennings, on Flickr

Mike Butkus (http://www.butkus.org/chinon/index.html) has this and the repair manual available upon request.
And here's a pic of mine while I had it apart.


Medalist II Supermatic Shutter rear view by Peter Jennings, on Flickr

The collar just holds on the black disk that cocks and actuates the shutter. The ring on the outside pictured in the post above is what actually holds the shutter on the focus barrel.

The shutter blades on mine were dirty and not closing all the way at slower speeds. I had to tear it down all the way to get them out and clean them. It's the first leaf shutter I've ever gone that far in cleaning, and it wasn't too hard. It helps that its a nice big shutter without too many complications. Now I've got it all back together and it's working fine.
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If you've got a Medalist it's worth getting the Kodak parts list / repair manual for the camera, and the separate one for the shutter. Reprints are available on e.g. ebay ...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_fr...ual&_sacat=625

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_od...ual&_sacat=625

I imported mine to the UK from neatphoto a few years ago; they're still there, see above links.
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Peter, So the "RING #78974" in the exploded view of the camera above, that is the ring that must be removed in order to take the shutter off the camera?

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Peter, So the "RING #78974" in the exploded view of the camera above, that is the ring that must be removed in order to take the shutter off the camera?
Yes, that's the one. John showed a pic of him removing it with a rubber wrench.
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Okay, Thanks.
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Sorry to alter your picture, but I was trying to figure out the best way to ask this. Looking into the front of the camera, do you turn the retaining ring clockwise or counter-clockwise to remove the shutter assembly. Can't find that info in the service manual.



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^I believe it's a normal thread , so to loosen it you would turn it ccw (counterclock wise).
Sorry for any misleading remarks previously concerning the retaining nut inside the camera that held the shutter cocking assembly in place. I was getting ahead of myself in accessing the shutter blades .
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^^ ^ Yes, I can confirm that it is a (default normal) thread, so ccw to loosen.
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Thank you. Was able to remove the shutter assembly. Now to tear it down and thoroughly clean it up.

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^ Take some pics as you go.. Peter
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Was able to obtain a service manual/parts manual for the shutter. I don't find the service manuals to be much good but the parts manual with all the exploded views of the different shutter parts has been useful. The camera had been sitting for many years in a cabinet, and when I took the body apart, it appeared to have never been disassembled before. But inside the shutter I found a number of gouged up screw heads, so somebody has definitely been in here. And the whole inside of the shutter seems to be covered in this thin, dry, sticky film. Not sure what it is, but the whole shutter's going to be taken completely apart, and everything ultrasonically cleaned, and hopefully when it's all back together, it will work beautifully. That's the plan anyway. :-)

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Here's how it stands now. Work more on it in the next couple days.



Everything taken off is now clean, just need to keep going.

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Finally got around to putting it all back together again, and to my delight, IT WORKS!! When I got it from the big auction site, it was non-functional. Wouldn't wind the film (jammed up) and the shutter was gummed up. Got it all apart, cleaned all the gunk out of it, re-lubed the film advance & shutter cocking mechanisms, and carefully cleaned the whole shutter assembly. Now she's working like it's 1947.

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Finally got around to putting it all back together again, and to my delight, IT WORKS!! When I got it from the big auction site, it was non-functional. Wouldn't wind the film (jammed up) and the shutter was gummed up. Got it all apart, cleaned all the gunk out of it, re-lubed the film advance & shutter cocking mechanisms, and carefully cleaned the whole shutter assembly. Now she's working like it's 1947.

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My little town:





Rebuilt Medalist II.

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Hey Congratulations Tim!
That's great you got it going again
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I just bought a Medalist II a few weeks ago, and I've done the math and it seems like respooling is the most economical path for my needs. If I were using the camera professionally or planned to put 100 rolls through it in a year, then it might make sense. But the way I see it, I could spend $200 on film, or $200 on convenience. I'd rather use the camera and deal with the annoyance. I am contemplating buying a camera which will take 120 and 620 spools so I can respool without a dark room.

Ultimately, it's not that much different than making sure 4x5 holders are filled or bulk loading 35mm. As long as the chore doesn't keep me from enjoying the camera, I'd rather save the money.
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Hey Congratulations Tim!
That's great you got it going again
Thanks Andy. Fun little (BIG) camera.

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I just bought a Medalist II a few weeks ago, and I've done the math and it seems like respooling is the most economical path for my needs. If I were using the camera professionally or planned to put 100 rolls through it in a year, then it might make sense. But the way I see it, I could spend $200 on film, or $200 on convenience. I'd rather use the camera and deal with the annoyance. I am contemplating buying a camera which will take 120 and 620 spools so I can respool without a dark room.

Ultimately, it's not that much different than making sure 4x5 holders are filled or bulk loading 35mm. As long as the chore doesn't keep me from enjoying the camera, I'd rather save the money.
Not sure anyone does the 620 - 120 conversions on the Medalist cameras anymore. The gentleman who was doing them has since retired.

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Not sure anyone does the 620 - 120 conversions on the Medalist cameras anymore. The gentleman who was doing them has since retired.

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That's a shame. It was nice to have the option to have the conversion done.

It's also unfortunate that we're down to single individuals providing these services. All of those folks need apprentices before it's too late.
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