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Old 12-23-2019   #1
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M9 value w sensor corrosion

Hi all, I have an M9 and it has corrosion, I am not going to get it fixed , I am going to get a used M240. What would an approximate value be for a really nice looking M9 with a corroded sensor ? Have all orig boxes etc.
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Old 12-23-2019   #2
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Old 12-24-2019   #3
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I think about $900-$1200. I just paid $1600 for a sensor replacement, for me it was worth it.
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Wondering if they could swap a M9M sensor into an M9?
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Old 12-24-2019   #5
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Hi all, I have an M9 and it has corrosion, I am not going to get it fixed , I am going to get a used M240. What would an approximate value be for a really nice looking M9 with a corroded sensor ? Have all orig boxes etc.
cheers John.
I would call Leica directly and see if you can get a discounted M240 from them based on the corroded sensor before you do anything else. Leica has made deals with me on repair prices and has offered upgrades to me in the past. A hard luck story will have to be provided.
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Hi all, I have an M9 and it has corrosion, I am not going to get it fixed , I am going to get a used M240. What would an approximate value be for a really nice looking M9 with a corroded sensor ? Have all orig boxes etc.
cheers John.
Bergen County Camera in NJ have an M9 old sensor w/o corrosion (1700), M9 w/new sensor ($2300) and M9P with a new sensor ($2900).
This may guide you given the sensor will cost $1500+
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Camera west / Leica SF just sold a corroded M9 for about $600.

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Camera west / Leica SF just sold a corroded M9 for about $600.

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Makes logical since on a new sensor is $1600.
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Given sensor replacement takes 6 months or more (unless something has changed) I not sure how many people would want to pay $600 for a camera that needs a $1600 repair and then wait 6 months to get it back when they can pick up a repaired one for $2300. The logic escapes me.
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If corroded sensor cameras are selling for $600 and repairs are $1600 you are still ahead compared to getting a good used M240 ($2500?), provided you like the results of the M9. People swear by the CCD sensor, but don't know if the new one is similar.

A Leica factory fixed M9 will likely be in better shape than a used M240 of unknown provenance.

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Given sensor replacement takes 6 months or more (unless something has changed) I not sure how many people would want to pay $600 for a camera that needs a $1600 repair and then wait 6 months to get it back when they can pick up a repaired one for $2300. The logic escapes me.
It only took Leica NJ 3 weeks total for me.
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It only took Leica NJ 3 weeks total for me.

I guess they either (1) they got the hang of it or (2) they hired another person -
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Or (3), most who’ve needed the swap have already done so.
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If corroded sensor cameras are selling for $600 and repairs are $1600 you are still ahead compared to getting a good used M240 ($2500?), provided you like the results of the M9. People swear by the CCD sensor, but don't know if the new one is similar.

A Leica factory fixed M9 will likely be in better shape than a used M240 of unknown provenance.

As a wise person once said: dance with the devil you know.
I have seen a few M240s from dealers at $2200 to 2300. Easy to find them at 2500 or 2600 with extras.

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I had an M9 (M-E) version and prefer my M240 in every way, ignoring the fact of sensor corrosion.
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Earlier this fall, Leica NJ took three weeks for my M9 sensor replacement- $1,565.00 plus tax and shipping. Service was great with great communication .... actually they made it very easy. LOL on getting a discount.
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This is the first time I've ever heard of "sensor corrosion". What causes this - excess humidity? Is the M9's sensor more susceptible than those of other digital cameras?
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LOL on getting a discount.
I guess I knew how to talk to them... because I can assure you I've gotten repair estimates cut in half. However, not for a sensor. They will work with you... perhaps you didn't even try? I find no harm in trying. They do offer trades too when repairs are not an option.
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I had called Leica last week
to see if Eric’s M9 had been serviced..,
It was December 2018
CLA and Sensor Replacment

I am thinking of selling it
Just don’t really shoot much, will keep the M6 and who knows

I was offered by David at Leica NJ;

“Good Afternoon Mrs. Hill.

YOU MAY UPGRADE TO ONE OF THE MODELS BELOW AT A DISCOUNTED PRICE. YOUR ORIGINAL EQUIPMENT WILL NOT BE RETURNED IF YOU CHOOSE THIS OPTION.

PLEASE CONTACT CUSTOMER CARE WITH YOUR DECISION AT 1-800-222-0118.

FROM M9/M E

Upgrade to M10 $5,200.00 200-00 black; 200-01 silver
Upgrade to M10-P $6,000.00 200-21 black; 200-22 silver
Upgrade to M10-D $6,000.00 200-14

Thank You,”

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Not sure what I will do
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FROM M9/M E

Upgrade to M10 $5,200.00 200-00 black; 200-01 silver
Upgrade to M10-P $6,000.00 200-21 black; 200-22 silver
Upgrade to M10-D $6,000.00 200-14
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I had called Leica last week
to see if Eric’s M9 had been serviced..,
It was December 2018
CLA and Sensor Replacement

I am thinking of selling it
Just don’t really shoot much, will keep the M6 and who knows

I was offered by David at Leica NJ;

“Good Afternoon Mrs. Hill.

YOU MAY UPGRADE TO ONE OF THE MODELS BELOW AT A DISCOUNTED PRICE. YOUR ORIGINAL EQUIPMENT WILL NOT BE RETURNED IF YOU CHOOSE THIS OPTION.

PLEASE CONTACT CUSTOMER CARE WITH YOUR DECISION AT 1-800-222-0118.

FROM M9/M E

Upgrade to M10 $5,200.00 200-00 black; 200-01 silver
Upgrade to M10-P $6,000.00 200-21 black; 200-22 silver
Upgrade to M10-D $6,000.00 200-14

Thank You,”

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I have no Interest in an M10
Not sure what I will do
Replace the sensor and use it. A refurbished M9 will keep its intrinsic value for years to come. See if they can upgrade it to an MP for a reduced price.
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The sensor replacement package for what I paid for mine included more than just changing the sensor. Often times when you press for a discount with many types of repairs in general you get “discounted” level or quality result - I’m speaking for many items - not just cameras.
I’m not going to risk that experience with expensive proposition I already paid good money for. To me having an expensive camera repair done is not like haggling over a necklace price in an open air market - I want it done and done right the first time and no corners cut.
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Often times when you press for a discount with many types of repairs in general you get “discounted” level or quality result - I’m speaking for many items - not just cameras.
I had it repaired by Leica... with a discount. Are you telling me Leica would do a worse job because they cut their estimate in half? It was a shutter repair on a digital M the first time. Ok, I'm sorry for bringing it up...
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Earlier this fall, Leica NJ took three weeks for my M9 sensor replacement- $1,565.00 plus tax and shipping. Service was great with great communication .... actually they made it very easy. LOL on getting a discount.
$1600 + tax and shipping? So what was the total? $1900?
That is a huge amount of money to get a Digital cam back up and running, when for a few hundred dollars more you can buy a much better M240.

I had the M-E, and now the M240. I honestly think that those who see the magic difference in the sensors would not be able to tell the difference in a blind test. But once you raise the ISO above 800 you sure will. Or once you take a picture and feel the difference in shutter action and sound. Or check out battery life. Or use Live View (absolutely fantastic to instantly see if your RF is correctly calibrated). Or need more pixels than 18mb. Or actually want to use the rear LCD to see if your focus is correct when you chimp. It is atrocious on the M8/9 series.

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The sensor replacement package for what I paid for mine included more than just changing the sensor. Often times when you press for a discount with many types of repairs in general you get “discounted” level or quality result - I’m speaking for many items - not just cameras.
I’m not going to risk that experience with expensive proposition I already paid good money for. To me having an expensive camera repair done is not like haggling over a necklace price in an open air market - I want it done and done right the first time and no corners cut.
It's cute how you trust them because you spent a lot of money.
They are in business to make a profit, and will try to get as much out of you as they can. If you don't ask them to work with you, they won't and will charge you as much as they think they can get out of you.
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It’s a posted price for a complete package. But you Huss may spend your cash any way you please.
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It’s a posted price for a complete package. But you Huss may spend your cash any way you please.

Car salesmen must love you!

"But Sir, this is the posted price!"
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My career since 1976 has been selling tractor trailers and other heavy duty trucks. There is no “would you take it” in that business.
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My career since 1976 has been selling tractor trailers and other heavy duty trucks. There is no “would you take it” in that business.
So you are well aware that negotiation is part of business.
As we can also do with Leica. Whether you chose to do so is up to you.

An aside - where are you in Sacramento? It is a really nice town and I've been looking at places there.
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A guy on fredmiranda is trying to sell an M9 w corroded sensor for $1600. add the $1800 to repair it (including tax and shipping) then you are looking at a $3400 10 year old digital camera.
A brand new w warranty M-E is just under $4k
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Seems the price of the repair has accelerated quite a bit. I guess they figure to make up for all those freebies. It was quoted to me at $1000 just after the free repair ended.
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I wonder...
What the actual cost of the repair is...from Leicas pov..

Leicas wholesale cost of the sensor etc..and labor...
But then there's the cost of the uppity boutiques..
And that has to be factored in...lol..
Even though.. the sensor was flat out defective at time of purchase..a time bomb waiting to go off..
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I wonder...
What the actual cost of the repair is...from Leicas pov..

Leicas wholesale cost of the sensor etc..and labor...
But then there's the cost of the uppity boutiques..
And that has to be factored in...lol..
Even though.. the sensor was flat out defective at time of purchase..a time bomb waiting to go off..
Well, seeing a Sony A7II - the entire camera brand new is now $898, it seems Leica is making a pretty penny charging $1800 (shipping and tax included!) to replace a sensor that is way behind in tech.
Of course they sell fewer cameras so have to have a higher price point to make money, butt still.
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Seems the price of the repair has accelerated quite a bit. I guess they figure to make up for all those freebies. It was quoted to me at $1000 just after the free repair ended.
They had to pay for the second tech somehow.
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Seems the price of the repair has accelerated quite a bit. I guess they figure to make up for all those freebies. It was quoted to me at $1000 just after the free repair ended.

Guess it has, just looked up the bill on mine. Got the bill (repair finished) $960 in July 2018. Took about 7 months. That included a lot more than just a sensor replacement -


Necessary labours $350
Sensor cover glass,coating is separating, adjust range finder, clean, lubrication and adjustment, leather covering, CIRCUIT M9 REV 4
+5 $575
Shipping cost Service $35
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Actual labor cost...$80-
Actual cost of parts $125-
CLA..another $1- for oil..

Leica profits..are up...lol..
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But then... if someone bought a defective M9 and replaced the sensor, wouldn't it be like getting a new-ish camera? At least when it comes to the sensor... which is kind of important.
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