Old 08-11-2019   #41
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Raid, the whole time I have been on this site, you've been a Leica M user and not someone who changes equipment a lot. I would be curious to hear why you are considering the SL instead of another M.
I like to try new things out. I am curious. In the end, I may stay traditional and stick with RF based M.
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After the M9 fiasco I'll never buy another Leica. Just way too terribly over priced compared to what's available. However, getting that off my chest, I still like my M9. Since the choice is yours, go with the M10. There's half a dozen other cameras with the same specs, better customer follow up service, far less expensive, and fantastic lenses to even consider a SL IMHO.
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There are few digital cameras with a rangefinder. Yes, there are several modern options available these days, but they do not have a RF.
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If you only want to use standard lenses, them the M10 is the obvious choice. But if you need to reach further or have a need to tap into the ever-growing range of L-mount lenses, the SL is the obvious choice. Its all about the lenses, baby!
I prefer using the tiny M lenses or tiny Zeiss lenses with adapter for M.
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It's fun to spend some time agonizing over which new toy to get. But I think you really want an M10. I know I do. It's just a matter of time.
You are most likely right, Rob. The M10 looks so good, and the reviews by users are excellent. If you love using Leica cameras, then the M10 shines.
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I think if I owned a raft of old SLR lenses but in particular 'R' lenses, would opt for the SL. The EVF is the best in breed. Nothing comes close.

Have to agree that M lenses look a bit odd on the SL but it's the image that matters and nothing to complain on that account.
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I don’t own any R lenses. The SL has an amazing viewfinder. I would never have been interested a bit in the SL had I not seen and held an SL in my hands.
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Why not rent both for a couple days and pit them head to head?
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As some others have alluded to, I think a major decision point is how one views and focuses the subject. EFV or OVF. Reid Reviews is frequently critical of EVFs for inability to display the full range of tones in a scene making it hard to assess. While I think the SL is overall rather similar to a dSLR, there is still that same difference with the viewfinder.
I often use a Pentax K1, probably about the same size as the SL, and also the even larger Leica S2, with a history of favoring the Pentax 67, so the size/weight isn't really an issue for me, but it sure can be for others.
So the SL has many SLR advantages, while IMO suffers even with its top-quality EFV. Still, I like my Leica Q, so there y'are!
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M10 all day long!

I have about a dozen M lenses and using them on an SL will work seamlessly with the Leica L to M adapter (almost); focusing accurately in daylight situations requires you to first stop the lens down.
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There are few digital cameras with a rangefinder. Yes, there are several modern options available these days, but they do not have a RF.
I have also come to this conclusion.

If you want RF on a digital body, then your only option is to shoot Leica M.

I also find shooting manual-focus lenses on current digital bodies to be crude as you can't rely solely on focus peaking so you need to magnify to verify focus.

For certain photography this is acceptable (I use it on landscape and for stills quite a bit) but for everyday capture or street I find that the brief checking focus/magnify time takes you out of the moment.

so my choice between the M10 or SL is obviously the M10.
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I had and loved using the SL. Superb SL zooms, perfect match to my R lenses too. For me, not quite so ergonomic with M lenses, but still superb performance. But when I retired, I found myself not using it so much and carrying the M-D more. So I sold it.

But still needed something TTL to do macro, copy, and tabletop work. Or long lens views. So I bought a CL. The CL suits me better for most things I do than the SL now, to the point that I stopped using the M-D.

Then Hasselblad announced the 907x and CFV50c II back in a Special Edition. So I sold the M-D and the WATE to help fun that and the XCD 21 lens. And use the CL as my standard light camera. All of my R lenses will perform well on the 907x/CFV50c II as well, particularly cropped to a 39mPixel square format.

Were I to buy another digital Leica, I'd buy an M10-D now. But I'm content with the CL, which is also a superb match to all my M and R lenses.

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The digital Hasselblad back and matching camera are quite costly. Good for you.
Is the M10D:
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M10 all day long!

I have about a dozen M lenses and using them on an SL will work seamlessly with the Leica L to M adapter (almost); focusing accurately in daylight situations requires you to first stop the lens down.
My thoughts go to keeping things simple for me. The SL (or M240) would open the door for me to use many different lenses that now cannot be used with my M8 or M9, but do I really want to complicate things for myself when things are now very basic and straightforward with a few M lenses on my older M8 and M9?

If I had to use one camera only, I can see myself with the M10 or the SL. Both cameras seem to work well with the smaller M lenses. The M10 would be a natural continuation in my M cameras used so far.
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I like to try new things out. I am curious. In the end, I may stay traditional and stick with RF based M.
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Anything what is not M is not Leica, including anything from Leica without M.

But with SL you will still maintain your special status at forums and in front of those who still thinks what Leica is something special. And with SL you could have much more exotic lenses to buy for extra price and post pictures of the same at the forum.

I know how many older photogs have no choice but EVF, where are better choices for it now instead of SL.
I have been fortunate not to need any glasses for weakening eye sight. I do not need an EVF. I am/was debating with myself if getting a "modern" camera such as the SL would be fun for me to do or not.
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I'm afraid of the complex SL menu and focus peaking and so, I'd go for an M10.
The SL can be set to require a minimal set of buttons for effective use, Peter. It can accept M lenses well with the Leica adapter too. It just cannot get smaller or lighter and it does not have Ff focusing.
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Raid, I just suggest you a different point of view: keep the M9 as "main" natural camera and if you want beside it a "modern" camera try the CL (personally I'm more intrigued by the idea behind the TL2 but this is just me )

This will keep your kit when traveling small and light, with the adapter you can use the M lenses and get the benefit to make them "longer", 1,5 x.

And you can have a wide on the M and a medium tele on the APS camera without need to change lenses.

I never tried the CL because I'm afraid to like it too much and I do not need another camera...but the idea seems me interesting.

Just a suggestion...

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I have used M 4/3 cameras side by side with M9 camera, and I do not like the 1.5X crop anymore. I used to accept it, but I want to use my M lenses at their focal lengths and not as short tele lenses. I will give it all more thought. Would you replace your M10 with a CL?
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I have used M 4/3 cameras side by side with M9 camera, and I do not like the 1.5X crop anymore. I used to accept it, but I want to use my M lenses at their focal lengths and not as short tele lenses. I will give it all more thought. Would you replace your M10 with a CL?
When I got my Fuji XE2 I thought I was going to be able to use my Olympus OM lenses (18mm through 85mm). I must have been delusional. The crop factor rendered the 18mm a 28mm, and so on. So wide angle with adapted lenses is a non starter. I can't image trading in an M camera for a CL.
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There are certain photos you simply can not take with any cam other than a rangefinder..
The ability to chop into a scene fast w/o thinking..seeing all the stuff around the actual photo area..and composing the photo within that..
I miss that..
Maybe I'll just see if I can get that M240 M-E as I like to do video too..
Main reason I would not get the M10 is no video..cant live w/o it..
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I never had an interest in making videos, Emile. This is not an important point for me. The M240 would only be appealing to me as being less expensive than an M10 and capable as an M camera,
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When I got my Fuji XE2 I thought I was going to be able to use my Olympus OM lenses (18mm through 85mm). I must have been delusional. The crop factor rendered the 18mm a 28mm, and so on. So wide angle with adapted lenses is a non starter. I can't image trading in an M camera for a CL.
Using an M 4/3 or APS camera would only appeal to me when used side by side with a full frame camera, as Robert has suggested above. It would cut down on weight, but using an M10 by itself would be lighter than M9 plus APS camera such as the CL.
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I have used M 4/3 cameras side by side with M9 camera, and I do not like the 1.5X crop anymore. I used to accept it, but I want to use my M lenses at their focal lengths and not as short tele lenses. I will give it all more thought. Would you replace your M10 with a CL?
No ! but a preowned not expensive TL2 could find a place in my bag one day, when prices will be low enough!

I like the idea to keep most of time a 28 or 35 on the M10 and want to make a detail or something else to have a medium short tele available...
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I'm afraid of the complex SL menu and focus peaking and so, I'd go for an M10.
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First came the Leica "S," then came the SL, then came the M10.

Pretty much the same camera, but packaged differently.

The "S" and SL share the same Leica menu layouts. The M10 is basically more of the same.

Be aware that when using non rangefinder lenses on a M10 you can use live view or focus peaking for focusing. So your argument is only valid if you want to live only in the realm of rangefinder lenses and you choose never to use liveview or focus peaking ever.

The SL has a zoom that is joystick movable, so I primarily use magnification to nail focus optically. Of course this is more suited for normal and longer lenses, but workd for wides as well. The SL is more like a SLR in this manner.

Know that on the newer Leica digitals you can remove features and dumb down the camera into a very basic camera. Also you can make your own custom menu. In my case I pretty much made my SL a simple and basic camera.

So with my SL I have autofocus capability, but the AF lenses are not small or compact. I have grown fond of the electronic VF'er, I also love how I can select my metering (I use spot metering, and combine that with singl point autofocus)

When I mount my 28 Cron-M the camera is basically utilized as if a fully manual film camera. No complexity at all.

I think you are mistaken that the SL is more complex than the M10. Pretty much they are the same camera just packaged differently: one is more SLR like; the other a rangefinder that is of course more compact, smaller and lighter in weight.

Lastly I have a friend who owns a SL and bought a M10. He also says that the cameras are remarkably similar, and that he wished he did not buy the M10.

There is a Leica three lens "S" kit in a Pelican Case that gets loaned out. My friend "Mike The Skinny Hipster" knocked on a door on the Lower Eastside and was handed this kit on loan that went down like a 1970's drug deal.

When Mike got the kit home he called me to come up, and know that Mike lives in the apartment right above mine. The same layout as my SL I would learn, pretty much all of the same.

If your have the most recent issues of Leica S magazine or LFI the work from Mike using this "S" kit is published in these two issues.

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.....I have used M 4/3 cameras side by side with M9 camera, and I do not like the 1.5X crop anymore. I used to accept it, but I want to use my M lenses at their focal lengths and not as short tele lenses.....
I recently had the same thought. I have a 4/3rds Olympus OM-D that I'll soon be selling. Nice camera, but the small sensor just doesn't do it. I just bought a Canon EOS RP. Full-frame sensor and will (with adaptors) take almost any old 35mm lens I have.

But I will be keeping my M240. I'll always like focusing with a real rangefinder.

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No ! but a preowned not expensive TL2 could find a place in my bag one day, when prices will be low enough!

I like the idea to keep most of time a 28 or 35 on the M10 and want to make a detail or something else to have a medium short tele available...
Robert,

Since I own a SL I already own mucho adapters: M-L, L-M, Nikon F-mount to M.

I bought a CL to convert my full frame normal lenses into short telephotos.

50 Lux-R "E60" on the CL is remarkable taking a great lens and making it perfect by exploiting the "sweet spot." Pretty much this is a Leica lens on steroids. Mucho wonderful.

I own a 58/1.2 Noct-Nikkor and on my CL it becomes an 87mm F1.2. Brutal... BTW I figured out how to adopt and use the Noctilux F1.2 profile with my Noct-Nikkor by stacking adapters.

Also that 28mm becomes a very cool compact 42mm on a crop sensor.

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No ! but a preowned not expensive TL2 could find a place in my bag one day, when prices will be low enough!

I like the idea to keep most of time a 28 or 35 on the M10 and want to make a detail or something else to have a medium short tele available...
Tell me more about the TL2. Why is it good in your eyes? Keeping the 28 or 35 on your M10 makes sense to me.
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I donít own any R lenses. The SL has an amazing viewfinder. I would never have been interested a bit in the SL had I not seen and held an SL in my hands.
Raid,

"R" glass on an SL is great.

Nikon Noct-Nikkor is also great.

The SL supports a more SLR like experience for me.

Although bulky lenses and heavy autofocus may or may not be in your shooting.

If you like shooting long lenses the SL zooms offer superb image stabilization.

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Hi Cal,
I am not a professional photographer, as you know. I used to enjoy using long lenses, such as the 500mm/4.5L and the Nikkor 500mm/5 mirror lens, but I am now more interested in small lenses.

Thanks for your experience based feedback on the SL.
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I am not a professional photographer, as you know. I used to enjoy using long lenses, such as the 500mm/4.5L and the Nikkor 500mm/5 mirror lens, but I am now more interested in small lenses.

Thanks for your experience based feedback on the SL.
Raid,

I'm like you: a guy with a day-job.

We are serious photographers.

BTW those are cool long lenses.

For small lenses stick with the rangefinder. I am fond of my SL because I still love SLR's and have mucho legacy SLR glass.

It is a hard cut for me though because I still love both rangefinders and SLR's.

Not to go too far off topic but for small cameras with M-glass Robert's idea of a cropped sensor Leica used for no money is interesting. Although I bought a CL new it is a very fast shooter, and so compact.

I love my 28 Cron on the CL, and the 42mm FOV makes it a lot like the original film CL with a 40 Cron.

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I'm like you: a guy with a day-job.

We are serious photographers.

BTW those are cool long lenses.

For small lenses stick with the rangefinder. I am fond of my SL because I still love SLR's and have mucho legacy SLR glass.

It is a hard cut for me though because I still love both rangefinders and SLR's.

Not to go too far off topic but for small cameras with M-glass Robert's idea of a cropped sensor Leica used for no money is interesting. Although I bought a CL new it is a very fast shooter, and so compact.

I love my 28 Cron on the CL, and the 42mm FOV makes it a lot like the original film CL with a 40 Cron.

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My M8 and M9 will not last forever, Cal, and I am planning to get a camera that can replace them one day. Either of the cameras can fail any day, but they may last a few more years. I need a full frame sensor camera to replace the M9 one day. If I had an M10, then adding a CL sounds fine to me.
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Have you handled both? Which fits you the best? That's the one to get. Of course if both do then you have a dilemma which can be cured by getting the both of them.......
Robert has an M10, which I have seen in his hands. It looks like a Leica film M camera. Handling it should be like handling the M9, most likely. I have held in my hands an SL, and it feels heavier and it is larger than the M9. Getting both cameras costs too much money. Either one should be reliable enough to be used by itself without the other.
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My M8 and M9 will not last forever, Cal, and I am planning to get a camera that can replace them one day. Either of the cameras can fail any day, but they may last a few more years. I need a full frame sensor camera to replace the M9 one day. If I had an M10, then adding a CL sounds fine to me.
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Forward thinking I understand.

I have a MM that I bought new and had Leica replace the sensor and at that time it got overhauled. Pretty much otherwise no problems. My hope is this camera could be good-to-go for perhaps another decade. Perhaps more.

Anyways for me still a great camera, no remorse. I have three good batteries.

Know it is best to not fully deplete the batteries, nor is it best to fully charge them. Always store them with a charge. If you can charge to 80% to preserve longest battery life.

Interesting to note that someone I know has a BMW electric car and they recommend charging to only 80%, unless you need the extended range of a full charge.

My SL is getting up there with age. The Leica charger has an LED that indicates 80% charge if I choose to go the extended battery life route.

Perhaps I'm suggesting the achillies heal of the older Leica digitals will be having working batteries.

Also know that I used the hell out of my Monochrom. The edges are silvering where my hands have worn away the anodize, and before I sent my MM to Leica for sensor replacement my covering was worn smooth in some places from gripping the camera.

Your cameras might surprise you... but I also respectfully understand that sudden death also is a possibility.

Good to be hedged.

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Old 08-12-2019   #78
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If you were to get another Leica camera, and if the choice for you is to pick between a M10 or SL, which camera would you get and why? ...
Here's another "SL" option for you:
Likely framework for the SL-2!
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...s_digital.html
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Tell me more about the TL2. Why is it good in your eyes? Keeping the 28 or 35 on your M10 makes sense to me.
From a rational point of view I think the CL is a better choice, modern and more similar to a camera!

The T series, now the TL2 is interesting for me as concept, the interface makes it easy to be used by my wife as well, she's not very familiar with multipage menus.

My idea is to keep it beside the M10 (when traveling) for the few times when I want to photograph a detail (and 28 or 35 too wide) or a portrait with only face in it. With a 50 it would be a 75...
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The SL is weather sealed..
I would love to have a well sealed digital cam like that..
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