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I agree completely. LCD works great for 28mm and wider IMO. I think the Fuji is interesting because of the tilt / touch screen. It really could make it more interesting than the GR for that reason. I wonder who will have the balls to put out a 21mm version of this type of camera (like the Ricoh GR21).
"WCL-X70"...
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I was going to say "buy an X-M1 & 27mm/2.8, but I think (?) the X-m1 is out out production ...?

The equivalent would be the 18 f/2 in terms of focal length, though it's a faster lens. The 27 f/2.8 would be a 40 equivalent.
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I love my GR, I'm curious about this, but I don't need a tilting screen and I don't want a touch screen.

I'd probably set it up to use it the way I do my GR, which makes me think that I'm Probably just being seduced by the shiny and new.

If Nikon tried taking on the GR and lost, this is a brave move from Fuji.

I suspect they'll price it too high and whether it actually competes with the GR will be a secondary concern
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Wow, rumored to be $875 us. Not smart.
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A new 18f2 is 449. The xm1 body is 399. Amazon US price compare. The xa bodies tend to be about 100 or more cheaper though.

They are at least comparible in price. Whether that is the wrong price for the x70..only time will tell. Even though I am not interested in buying one, I also think price is about 100 too much.

They have been able to sell the x100 and xp series at what I have always felt a higher than normal price due to their uniqueness.. The x70, doesn't have the luxury..it will be interesting to c how people vote w/ the pockets.

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For real or do u think Amazon China site got hacked?

http://www.fujirumors.com/fujifilm-x...00-listed-too/

Things got a bit interesting w/ the x70.. A 21 wcl was listed..

21 and 28 plus crop 35 and 50 mode makes an interesting combo...

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Forgot to add in previous post is if the wcl is true...come on Fuji!!!!
Let's c a tcl for it as well in 35 or 40 fov and u got a buyer

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Fuji has a history of pricing pretty high and then cutting deeply.

I see the Amazon Prime price for the 18/2 is $599USD. List in Canada appears to be $699, though it was $499CDN during Boxing week sales, i.e. until this week.
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Very nice indeed ! My first thoughts were that it was surprising to see something which could be achieved with buying an XA-2 sporting an XF 18mm f/2 lens, but...
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a very interesting camera, but, as others have said... close to $900 is too high when you can get a slightly larger XM or XA with an 18mm f/2 for the same or close to the same price.

Hell, you can get a used X-E2 + used 18mm for about $900, and the new firmware will add the new AF features too boot.

I think $700 may be a better selling price, else, just get a used X ILC (XA, XM or used X-E2) with a used 18mm

I do like the X70, and for me, a great street camera. and family camera
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I still think it'll be smaller than any other fuji and lens combo. Also, it'll have a leaf shutter and it may have the fastest AF yet. We will see. I'm intrigued. It depends on how you intend to use it. I never thought the Fuji 18mm f/2 was a great lens personally.
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Latest rumor is saying the price might be lower than first rumored.
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I do think this will be a very price-sensitive camera (in terms of sales).
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Latest rumor is saying the price might be lower than first rumored.
I hope you're right. Because I'm waiting for the next alliteration of interchangeable lens Fuji's to get on the used market before I buy one of those at a lower price. & I want this one to be my hold over until that happens.

I really would prefer $700.

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So it is basically a GR competitor.

Disclaimer: I'm a big GR fan (but also a Fuji X fan).

Glad:
Physical exposure control w/o mode dial.
Black one looks good.
Potential of conversion lenses.
Customizable control ring (in addition to physical aperture control??)

Sad:
Wish at least external EVF was available.
Wish it was 35mm equivalent.
Silver one looks ood without leatherette looking body part.
F2.0 would have been great (to distinguish itself from the GR).

That's my thoughts based on the rumored info.
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Have to admit, even as a enthusiastic Ricoh GR series user, the Fuji X70 is catching my eye. Sufficiently different due to the physical shutter and aperture controls, the tilting touch screen, and the potentials of the X-Trans II sensor.

Superfluous for my needs? Indeed. Intriguing as the next new shiny thing? Absolutely.
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In video Mini is with blank reg plate, should be done in-camera by JPG processor.

If not then they could just could use different angle/framing to not allow such goof. Blanked reg plates are OK for tabloids not sale pics/vids.
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Have to admit, even as a enthusiastic Ricoh GR series user, the Fuji X70 is catching my eye. Sufficiently different due to the physical shutter and aperture controls, the tilting touch screen, and the potentials of the X-Trans II sensor.

Superfluous for my needs? Indeed. Intriguing as the next new shiny thing? Absolutely.
It seems to be following in the traditional of the GR w/ the 21 fov wcl same setup as the gw3 on the GR. A bit bigger than the GR but the touch screen and physical controls are a plus to be sure. It inherits the AF improvements of the xt1..so all good.

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In video Mini is with blank reg plate, should be done in-camera by JPG processor.

If not then they could just could use different angle/framing to not allow such goof. Blanked reg plates are OK for tabloids not sale pics/vids.

.... that's NOT a Mini.
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.... that's NOT a Mini.
Oh yes, NOT Mini. Blanked reg plates make looking bad ANY car.
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It seems to be following in the traditional of the GR w/ the 21 fov wcl same setup as the gw3 on the GR. A bit bigger than the GR but the touch screen and physical controls are a plus to be sure. It inherits the AF improvements of the xt1..so all good.

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have to admit that initially i wasn't interested on this but now im intrigued, might put my name down at The Camera Store later today if it arrives before mid-March.
will use it on our Asia trip then maybe sell it afterwards.

main selling point for me is better dust sealing than the GR, although I still need to understand how 'snap' or pre-focusing will work on this camera.
was initially interested on the VF-X21 viewfinder as well but then read how much it will go for (US$300+), looks like a Voigtlander VF but might as well get the Ricoh GV-1 adapter for 1/3 the price
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although I still need to understand how 'snap' or pre-focusing will work on this camera.
Via zone focusing....since the X70 has manual focus modes, you just set it at 6 feet or whatever other measurement you want and it'll effectively be the same as snap.
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As an owner of a Ricoh GR that currently has no intention of buying a x70.. There are advantages to the x70
- retro controls
- Fuji film simulation
- potentially faster af due to phase detect af cells
- flip screen
- touch af and release
The biggests advantage for Ricoh
- smaller footprint for front pocket carry
- snap shooting
- never liked Fuji custom saved setting implementation - Ricoh customs setting wins by default

It would have been nice if they had implemented the x70 using their new 24mp sensor. I think this is where Ricoh GR2 made a mistake as well. I actually use crop 35 a lot on my GR and would have picked up a GR2 if it was a 24mp.

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Via zone focusing....since the X70 has manual focus modes, you just set it at 6 feet or whatever other measurement you want and it'll effectively be the same as snap.
Quite true..just an extra step..whereas the GR is just snap shoot at your default distance...could be the difference time wise.

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looks like a Voigtlander VF but might as well get the Ricoh GV-1 adapter for 1/3 the price
Dont u mean the gw3 adapter?

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Quite true..just an extra step..whereas the GR is just snap shoot at your default distance...could be the difference time wise.

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True, especially since you can have half press snap and full AF. I have admit, that I don't use snap with the APSC version. It's not precise enough for my liking.
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I've been shooting almost exclusively with my GR for the past couple of weeks.

This is going to have to be very special to temp me away.

I think I'm just hoping that it's going to push GR prices down, and I'll grab a backup
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Dont u mean the gw3 adapter?

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no, by GV-1 im referring to the 21/28 aux viewfinder that Ricoh sells (snagged one for 86$ on ebay an hour ago).

have no intention on using either gw3 or wcl-x70 adapters as 28mm is wide enough for me.

going to put my name down for the x70 tomorrow at the camera store
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Panasonic GM5 + Panasonic 14/2.5 or 20/1.8. Just sayin...
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no, by GV-1 im referring to the 21/28 aux viewfinder that Ricoh sells (snagged one for 86$ on ebay an hour ago).

have no intention on using either gw3 or wcl-x70 adapters as 28mm is wide enough for me.

going to put my name down for the x70 tomorrow at the camera store
Ahhh i c..

If I didn't already have the original GR.. I would be tempted...especially if the af is faster.

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I'm waiting for X70 details information and sample result (new X-trans sensor, like XPro2?)

Buy Ricoh GR, mode: postponed

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I'm waiting for X70 details information and sample result (new X-trans sensor, like XPro2?)

Buy Ricoh GR, mode: postponed

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No, old X-Trans like the X-T1, X-E2, etc.

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Ahhh i c..

If I didn't already have the original GR.. I would be tempted...especially if the af is faster.

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I wouldnt mind getting another GR if only they would improve the sensor dust issue as I've had bad luck with mine.
I'm buying the X70 for my upcoming trip to asia in March, if I end up liking it great I will keep it, if not I'll resell it and maybe buy another GR.
Sold my X100 yesterday to fund the X70.

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No, old X-Trans like the X-T1, X-E2, etc.
Anyone seen a release date?
Nothing yet but I'm hearing late February now.
I'll let you know once I go to The Camera Store during my lunch break.
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well unfortunately TCS has no info regarding the X70 yet, they take pre-orders but it's not even on their system yet.

No definitive date or pricing at this info.
their website states the price to be CAD$899 which is roughly around US$620, I'm hoping that's the price
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YouTube video by big heard toco

A bit slow at start and bit long winded, but does what I believe is a good job of explaining the difference he found between the x70 and GR.

http://youtu.be/m3PJJGJdtvs

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