ORWO N74 anyone?
Old 10-27-2011   #1
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ORWO N74 anyone?

I shot in the last time some meters of this cine-film.
From the first impressions N74 seems a resonable priced alternative in ISO400/27.
I would love to hear others experience, esp. developers, times etc.
Until now, I tried only Rodinal, Xtol and Diafine.
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Old 10-29-2011   #2
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Where do you buy it? I love experimenting with new films
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Old 10-29-2011   #3
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Got ten meters or so directly from Filmotec for testing...
Another source is Banse+Grohmann Wernigerode, but I don't know if they sell short ends...
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Old 01-17-2012   #4
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A few images here and here of Orwo n74 in Rodinal 1:50. I rather like the grain I must say
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Old 01-17-2012   #5
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I have been shooting with both the ORWO MP films for a couple of years now. I really like it.
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Old 02-02-2012   #6
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Orwo n74 @ 250 in Rodinal 1:50 here
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Old 02-02-2012   #7
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There is a site on Flickr "New ORWO black and white films" with some examples of it in various developers.
The ORWO 74 looks a lot like the Kodak XX and seem to respond well to standard MQ developers (D76/D96/Adox MQ). I have shoot some rolls with both the 54 UN (100 iso) and the 74 (@ 320-400).

At the moment I am trying to get the UN54 to behave like the now defunct Kodak 5231 (+X movie stock). So far it is good, but lack the brilliance that was the trademark of the +X. I have a couple of more rolls to shoot and run. Probably one more run in Beutler and I will try a Rodinal stand develoment 1:100 for 6070 minutes too later.
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Old 02-02-2012   #8
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There is a site on Flickr "New ORWO black and white films" with some examples of it in various developers.
The ORWO 74 looks a lot like the Kodak XX and seem to respond well to standard MQ developers (D76/D96/Adox MQ). I have shoot some rolls with both the 54 UN (100 iso) and the 74 (@ 320-400).

At the moment I am trying to get the UN54 to behave like the now defunct Kodak 5231 (+X movie stock). So far it is good, but lack the brilliance that was the trademark of the +X. I have a couple of more rolls to shoot and run. Probably one more run in Beutler and I will try a Rodinal stand develoment 1:100 for 6070 minutes too later.
Thanks, Tom.
I already follow your tryout on Flickr.

I also found N74+ in D76 ist most charming, but lacks a little in sharpness. Hope to avoid this with AdoxMQ, I will see...
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Old 08-16-2018   #9
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Maybe it's interesting for some folks around here… If someone wants to buy ORWO film in europe, just drop them a mail ([email protected]).

They sent me a price list back (08/2018, net prices):

ORWO UN 54 100 ASA / 21/ K-Code Acetat 16 mm 122 m / Kern € 116,88
ORWO UN 54 100 ASA / 21/ K-Code Acetat 16 mm 30,5m / Kern € 32,14
ORWO UN 54 100 ASA / 21/ K-Code Acetat 16 mm 30,5m / Spule € 37,40
ORWO UN 54 100 ASA / 21/ K-Code Acetat 35 mm 305m / Kern € 362,89
ORWO UN 54 100 ASA / 21/ K-Code Acetat 35 mm 122m / Kern € 145,16
ORWO UN 54 100 ASA / 21/ K-Code Acetat 35 mm 30,5m / Kern € 39,91

ORWO N 74plus 400 ASA / 27/ K-Code Acetat 16 mm 122 m / Kern € 154,58
ORWO N 74plus 400 ASA / 27/ K-Code Acetat 16 mm 30,5m / Kern € 42,51
ORWO N 74plus 400 ASA / 27/ K-Code Acetat 16 mm 30,5m / Spule € 47,78
ORWO N 74plus 400 ASA / 27/ K-Code Acetat 35 mm 305m / Kern € 532,56
ORWO N 74plus 400 ASA / 27/ K-Code Acetat 35 mm 122m / Kern € 213,02
ORWO N 74plus 400 ASA / 27/ K-Code Acetat 35 mm 30,5m / Kern € 58,58

I ordered both, looking forward to shoot the film my father shot 30 years ago during cold war in the NVA where he had to spend 3 years before he was allowed to go to university right when the wall went down.

Here is also an interesting (unscientific) comparison between ORWO N74+ and Tri-X: http://www.lusznat.de/cms1/index.php...s/finish/7/125
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The N74 comes across as *gasp* sharper in those scans.

Big ORWO user here, both N74 and UN54, tho much more UN54.
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Old 08-24-2018   #11
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First film.

Canon L1
Jupiter-12 (1953)
Orwo Filmotec NP74+
HC-110 (B)



















I really like this film! I will push it to 800 and 1600 this weekend.
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First film.

Canon L1
Jupiter-12 (1953)
Orwo Filmotec NP74+
HC-110 (B)

I really like this film! I will push it to 800 and 1600 this weekend.
Very nice! This might be the next film I roll from bulk. What developing time did you use with HC-110? Massive Dev has 6.5 minutes for Dilution B as a starting time, just curious if you used something different.
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Thanks! I souped it for 7 minutes, initial agitation for 20 seconds, 10 seconds once a minute later on.
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Thanks! I souped it for 7 minutes, initial agitation for 20 seconds, 10 seconds once a minute later on.
Thanks for sharing! Maybe I'll split the difference with my first roll, and adjust from there. I have the tail end of some HP5+ in my bulk loader right now, but once that's done, in goes the ORWO N74+. I'll share the results here as soon as I have them.
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Old 08-25-2018   #15
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Most of it was shot @1600 in HC-110 (B) for 9min 15secs at 22.4 celcius (a little bit underdeveloped) with M6 and Biogon-C. Second pic was shot at @800 with Zorki 4k and Jupiter-8 (mod). To increase speed I will also develop this film with XTOL, should work great, for a first try this seems ok! I really like the film at box speed, HP5 and Tri-X retain more shadow detail. Grain behaves kind of interesting, the mid (there's not much of it, I know)- and highlight grain looks great pushed IMO.























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Old 08-25-2018   #16
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I like this one a lot. Very cool. Well done.
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Old 08-26-2018   #17
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ORWO N74+
Leica II + Jupiter-12
HC-110 (B) + 1ml Rodinal
6 Minutes @ 22.3 celcius







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Old 08-26-2018   #18
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I use a Bolex H16RX4 with black and white movie film. UN54 is at hand, no 74 but may buy some. How is it pushed to 1600 or 3200 Asa? I got good 1600 with double X.
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Old 08-27-2018   #19
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Nice photos Jonas.

It might be time I revisited N74 (and UN54). I hated both when I first tried them; I was a fan of the "original" Orwo equivalents NP55 and NP7.
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M6, Biogon-C, N74+, HC-110 (B)

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Old 09-18-2018   #21
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Is it just me, but do those shots look really, really grainy, and more grey and white vs black and white, to anyone else? Is this how the film is supposed to behave?
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How much grain shows up may have been determined by the scanner. I use a Nikon film scanner and it seems to capture every bit of grain from HP5+, Tri-X, and Kentmere 400. Setting the scanner to capture the negative as color rather than B&W will help fix this problem. As to the amount of gray versus blacks and whites, that may also have been determined by post-scan processing. If we don't know that information, we cannot make a good determination from the scans presented here.
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I’ve shot a few rolls of the N74+ at box speed developed in D-76 1:1 for (IIRC) 10 minutes at 68F and I’ve been very pleased with the results. It has a look, to my eyes, similar to the pre-2007 TX400 Tri-X. I also found it handles nicely in the darkroom, behaving well going onto reels and drying very flat.

I haven’t yet tried it at other speeds or with Rodinal but I’ve got 100’ of it in the fridge so I can afford to experiment a little.

I purchased mine directly from Orwo USA and George is a very nice guy to deal with.

I have a stock of the UN54+ as well but I’ve only developed a couple of rolls and I’m still adjusting times. My first impression of both of these films is very positive and I think I’m really going to enjoy using them.
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Is it just me, but do those shots look really, really grainy, and more grey and white vs black and white, to anyone else? Is this how the film is supposed to behave?
Yes, it seems to have kind of a "base grain", don't know how to call it. But it seems to help retaining the highlights better than any other 400 ISO film.

I've only souped it in hc-110 so far, one roll developed in rodinal is drying right now. I always scan 35mm on a Nikon Coolscan IV.
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Old 09-21-2018   #26
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I've shot a few rolls with mixed results. I got a small bulk load (17ft) and haven't developed all of it.
My impressions are that it is low contrast film and I have achieved my best result so far with Xtol. However it does not lie flat and cups badly (curves along the long axis), it can be pressed and lie flatish for scanning but will bend again soon after. It does not seem to have the latitude of Hp5 or Tri-x. I like these results and am impressed with the unique tonal qualities, but due the cupping won't be in a hurry to buy again with the price in AUD as compared to Ilford films


I recently developed some shot at 800, developed in Rodinal so will share them once scanned.

Both shots below, from different rolls.
Looking at the negs I feel these are reasonably 'true' scans.

LeciaM6, VC35, XTOL 12min, Scanned with a plustek 7200.

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I finally got around to shooting, processing, and digitizing some ORWO N74+. Like Perks, I'm undecided about this film. To me, there seems to be more grain than say HP5+ or 400TX, but it does have an interesting and unique look to it. Reminds me a bit of charcoal or old newspaper photos.

Leica M5, Canon 50mm f/1.4 LTM, ORWO N74+, developed in LegacyPro L110 at 1:31 for 6.5 minutes.


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Film Photography Project is stocking this film.
https://filmphotographystore.com/col.../all/orwo-film

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https://filmphotographystore.com/col.../all/orwo-film

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I just saw that a few weeks ago.

Ive been pleased enough with both the N74+ and the UN54+ that I placed an order for a 400 roll of each from Colorlab in MD. I dont know how long Ill have to wait for the film to get here from Germany.

Ive been shooting both films quite a lot for the past 6 months. Ive only used the N74+ at 400 and only in D-76 1:1 so I havent really explored all the possibilities yet but I like what Ive been getting with this combination.

It took me a while to find a time/agitation combination that gave me enough contrast with the UN54+ but since I got there Ive been pleased with that stock, too.
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https://filmphotographystore.com/col.../all/orwo-film

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I got bulk rolls directly from George at ORWO NA, but great to see another retailer carrying it!

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I just saw that a few weeks ago.

Ive been pleased enough with both the N74+ and the UN54+ that I placed an order for a 400 roll of each from Colorlab in MD. I dont know how long Ill have to wait for the film to get here from Germany.

Ive been shooting both films quite a lot for the past 6 months. Ive only used the N74+ at 400 and only in D-76 1:1 so I havent really explored all the possibilities yet but I like what Ive been getting with this combination.

It took me a while to find a time/agitation combination that gave me enough contrast with the UN54+ but since I got there Ive been pleased with that stock, too.
Pentode, how do you find the grain? I'd be curious to see your results, as I'm wondering if the grain I'm getting is a function of my developer (and workflow) or whether it's some sort of "base grain" in the film as Artingei calls it.
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I do find it to be a little grainy but not unduly so. It reminds me a lot of the old, pre-2007 Tri-X. I use D-76 1:1 for 10:00 at 68deg and I use the Kodak agitation suggested for Tri-X in SS tanks. The grain is noticeable.
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Leica M5, Canon 50mm f/1.4 LTM, ORWO N74+, developed in LegacyPro L110 at 1:31 for 6.5 minutes.


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