Old 03-18-2012   #241
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It did take one sacrificial body and a number of other parts to actually get it working again. I had enough parts in my supplies to actually get the sacrificial body working again, too. I've also redeveloped the "K" stamp with some research in the old fonts and will restore the curtain marking also.
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Old 05-02-2012   #242
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/LEICA-LEITZ-...item4603508905

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Old 05-02-2012   #243
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Looks like a real Grey Paint "Civilian" leica IIIc to me
I do think that same camera was on auction a few months back...could be wrong though.
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Old 05-03-2012   #244
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Yep, fits right in for both body serial number and lens serial number with my excel spreadsheet of grey and K cameras. All of the primary characteristics are right. Does not look like the right shutter release collar, tho. Many of the early gray cameras had the extended D shaped lock ring, too.
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Bleh, i've put my car insurance money toward it and was instantly outbid no matter if a real K or not I'm out.
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An Ebay seller put two IIICs on bidding:

390116K [http://www.ebay.com/itm/221133551588] and
388483 (non-K grey paint) [http://www.ebay.com/itm/221134148157]


It should be great if there have painting service for post war Leica...
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An Ebay seller put two IIICs on bidding:

390116K [http://www.ebay.com/itm/221133551588] and
388483 (non-K grey paint) [http://www.ebay.com/itm/221134148157]


It should be great if there have painting service for post war Leica...
Both listings magically disappeared. Not even ended, but possibly revoked.
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Both listings magically disappeared. Not even ended, but possibly revoked.

Both are on if anyone's interested:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Leica-IIIc-K...item337c9637e4

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I like the first one - it's been IIIf converted - very Lehni Reifenstahl (sp?)
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I like the first one - it's been IIIf converted - very Lehni Reifenstahl (sp?)
Yep, reminds me of her camera that's right IIICK to IIIFBD is very kool!

The second camera looks like a well worn 1942 grey camera, non K, not a ball-bearing camera.........

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Hi Tom!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Leica-IIIc-/...:B:WNA:NL:1123

That was a nice price for a wartime Leica IIIc. But, that camera wasn't original anymore, right? At least it had a sync plug installed. The seller questioned the paint job and it has a III bottom plate, not the 'dog leg' plate.

Tom, wartime IIIc variations and provenance are your field of expertise. What is your verdict? I'm particularly interested in the 'off' paint job for which the seller suggested
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Leica-IIIc-/...:B:WNA:NL:1123

That was a nice price for a wartime Leica IIIc. But, that camera wasn't original anymore, right? At least it had a sync plug installed. The seller questioned the paint job and it has a III bottom plate, not the 'dog leg' plate.

Tom, wartime IIIc variations and provenance are your field of expertise. What is your verdict? I'm particularly interested in the 'off' paint job for which the seller suggested
That camera was *repainted* and that line they added about Leitz not doing a quality paintjob, is BUL*S*IT........Even in the middle of the worst fighting and at the end (when the US Army cameras were made before the Factory was captured by the American's) the build/paint quality was very high.

The painted IIIC's BTW NEVER had "dogleg" bottoms and a III bottom/base would NEVER fit on a IIIC chassis, it's too short.......

The "dogleg" bottom was used 1940/41 and then again very shortly in 1942 (maybe less than 500 cameras) in a special series of cameras that were sent to the EAST ZONE.

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Funny, while I am aware that the III size bottom plate will not fit the IIIc, IIIf and IIIg models due to the added 3mm body length, I was under the impression that all IIIc K bodies had the 'dog leg' bottom catch, never occurred to me that most painted IIIc K's have the round bottom catch, 'earlier' III style

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Friend of mine recently acquired a IIIc with serial number 395803. He'd like to know if this was one of those delivered to the US Army of the Occupation or just a very late-war production IIIc.

Could it be an unmarked "K" like mine?
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Friend of mine recently acquired a IIIc with serial number 395803. He'd like to know if this was one of those delivered to the US Army of the Occupation or just a very late-war production IIIc.

Could it be an unmarked "K" like mine?
#395xxx era cameras are 1946 "stepper" models, no race bearings or K specs, normal IIIC camera shutter.

Most were sold at the Army PX Jan to June 1946, some Military Police units received them as well.

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I just bought and sold (3) of them........

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Could you check it for genuine proof? I have an offer to buy and a bit ****ting:







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Looks authentic, but you may want to contact Jim Lager to be certain.

If you're really into Luftwaffe / Wehrmacht Leica items, you may also want to track down a copy of Jim's book, 'Wehrmacht Leica'. Most all the known serial numbers and delivery dates are listed.
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Looks authentic, but you may want to contact Jim Lager to be certain.

If you're really into Luftwaffe / Wehrmacht Leica items, you may also want to track down a copy of Jim's book, 'Wehrmacht Leica'. Most all the known serial numbers and delivery dates are listed.
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Thank you for sharing mr.Lager's contacts, he is really great expert and wonder honour gentleman, I feel much gratefull to him and want to make big big compliment to his experience, magic insight and strong logic.

This camera is fake! And even isn't good fake...

What I have now:

1)He has photo of real #390416 and it is much different as I sent to him
2)It is not marked correctly
3)At this time the Luftwaffen-Eigentum marking would not have been on the rear vulcanite.
4)The paint is not correct and camera was repainted not so long time ago.
5)The lettering is not Leitz work - not correct letters and not match distance between letters.
6)batch 390401-390425 for the Luftwaffe
dated 17.2.44 shipment 9912 written as Luftwaffe (nor "Luftwaffen") in the Leitz Wetzlar delivery ledgers.
7)Screws on the sides of top plate are chromed (!), must be grey painted.
8)On the bottom, inside, camera is semi-black painted. Lol (they all were grey because of deficit of black paint), but it have to be also clear grey.
9)Character of shadows on bootom side's paint of inner elements says that there was a standard plate with instruction how to load film. Now it is lost. Why?
10)Character of brass oxidation on the shaped elements tells us that it was shaped at least few years ago - too light, have to be much deeper and dark oxidation on it.
11)Places and steps of shapes are not correct for normal wear - it is made in thin woulds (look at the viewfinder window) which is not contact anything in normal use. But really does when it is polished by the rag for make vintage look.
12)The degree of top plate paint's wear is not match to vulcanite's shape.
13)Character of vulcanite relief is not match to genuine paint (much more rude and too much of paint)

So, it is fake! And today I will get few mighty friends with me to the meeting with the seller, catch him and make his face a bit "Luftwaffen-Eigentum".

Thank you, mr.Lager - you saved me 3000 bucks!
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Wow! What great info. Just goes to show that you can't take everything at face value, particularly when it comes to these cameras.
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You're quite welcome -- we're all in this together, so anything that can benefit both you and future buyers is a win-win. I'm also glad we have a tremendous and generous resource in Jim Lager.

BTW I noticed that you had another thread regarding military lenses -- did you show the lens to Jim?
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You're quite welcome -- we're all in this together, so anything that can benefit both you and future buyers is a win-win. I'm also glad we have a tremendous and generous resource in Jim Lager.

BTW I noticed that you had another thread regarding military lenses -- did you show the lens to Jim?
Yes, I have answer about one of them and kindly wait for second. Also I made request to Leica-historica deutsche society, to Axel Rosswog and his redaction group.
W.haven lense is from official military batch 16.12.40 on shipment 20569, but to Wien, nor Wilhelmshaven. Too far from the cold deep water, but... The word "haven" mean "cave" or "vault", and really in Vienna there was only kriegsmarine point - Kriegsmarine Wien Kriegsarchiv.
It made me hope that it is something more than just additionly rare marine engraving on the genuine military lens to add worth (too complicated for scammers). Will continue investigation...


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Beware: as far i've researched all the military deliveries were to Berlin ( here there was the "Acquisitions Department" of the German Army in Berlin - Beschaffungsamt der Wehrmacht ) and from there routed to the various units. The only exceptions are some well-known consignments sent to ports and units of the Kriegsmarine.
Wien did not have an office of that kind and no one could authorize different procedures.
However I strongly recommend if you're interested in the subject follow the advice that I gave here, you will find more news of those that I can give:
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Could you check it for genuine proof? I have an offer to buy and a bit ****ting:







This is a fake, well first it's not even a "K" model, there's no stamp on the top plate and post 1940 cameras NEVER had the Luftwaffen markings stamped into the vulcanite.
(there's also other horrible mistakes, like bad color paint, open chrome screws, also a pre 1943 slow speed dial)
*this is one of those Eastern Bloc fakes, made maybe 10 or 15 years ago, from spare parts.*

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A notice question.

Is there any K bearing on the curtain. If the original K curtain was replaced with a more modern curtain at a latter date, is the camera still a K bearing type camera?
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Remarkable coincedence! On eBay right now there are two different auctions for IIIcK cameras with sequential serial numbers. #390060 - nice shape with summitar $6700 and #390061- rough, body only AS-IS $1600. Wow what are the odds!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/360823311747...84.m1438.l2649

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I've just put in Ads here something possibly same as LeicaTom IIIC K without K or stamps on curtains for best offer.





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Uhm?

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That my friend is a 1942 Leica IIIC Grey NON BALL BEARING camera, just a normal IIIC with RLM Grey paint, actually RARER than a IIIC K Grey in production numbers, but not as desirable as the "K" model.

This example isn't in the best of shape, lens could be original to the body, still is way over priced, like all dealer Grey cameras are.

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Cheers Tom,

I had no interest in it myself, but someone on the Classic Camera Collector's FB page linked it.
I had figured it was a regular IIIc from 1943 and that it was way overpriced.
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Just to share something from my collection:



My 1942 chrome IIIc K with Summitar 2/50 mm. It is one of only about 50 cameras of this type known to exist. According to Jim Lager, the camera has been delivered to Berlin on the 15th of September 1942. The lens however is listed as military issue, being delivered on the 26th of July 1941 to Luftwaffe Bln. The camera and the lens have been found together at the end of the war (there is quite a nice story about it), so I presume that the camera has been originaly delivered to the Luftwaffe as well.

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Austrowolf (Adam), that is really nice! Excellent presentation in the photo, too, with the period publications. Great stuff...
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So, I have just recently acquired my first K camera, one of those small number of unmarked 1945 cameras supplied to the US Army. (Thanks, LeicaTom for helpful information and to Ray).
Perhaps a photo later but for now I am really interested to learn - and see - more about the exact differences between the different shutter mechanisms used through the years by Leitz. I'm a very visually-minded person that would love to see illustrations as well as explanations about these mechanisms. Anything like that exist - or in the works?
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Hi all. I was wondering if you might be able to help me out with a little decision. I have the opportunity to purchase one of two (presumably genuine, at this point) IIIc's and after reading many many pages of posts regarding the war-time issued cameras/lenses I'm left a bit confused as to the age/provenance of one of the cameras. I know they aren't totally reliable, but all of the info I've been able to glean from SN lists on the internet suggest that one of them, sn 391718, is from 1943 (which seems fairly reasonable in combination with the Summitar 50/2, SN 578992 'from' 1941). However, it doesn't appear to be a Grey camera (at least to my eyes) and I saw in another thread a comment by Tom that there are no chrome 1943 IIIc's. In yet another thread I saw reference to the Hahne list stating that the last grey IIIc serial number (aside from the later ones for the US Army) was 390699 -- 19 before the sn of this camera. With all of that in mind -- or ignoring it completely -- what do you make of this camera? The other camera has sn 436778, is mounted with a 35/3.5 Elmar, and at least from the quick pictures I snapped appears to be in somewhat better condition cosmetically (I think the earlier one is actually cheaper because something -- I didn't have the time investigate fully -- was slightly wrong with it). Which one would you go with and why (assuming that the 39xxxx camera is not too horribly screwed up), and what do you make of the '1943' camera? Also, what would you consider a fair price for the chosen camera/lens combination (assuming working condition)? Pictures of both below:

Camera #1:

Camera #2:

Thanks in advance, I appreciate the help.

Cheers
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