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A Ukrainian miracle camera
Old 08-26-2005   #1
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A Ukrainian miracle camera

Doesn't THIS deserve to be today's offering as the high-point of RF construction? Notice the f3.5 "Summicron" that has been miraculously integrated into the virginal white camera body. Note also that while the camera is admitted to be a "copy" the same is not true of the lens. This is all high-tech for me.
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Old 08-26-2005   #2
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I wonder if somebody in the Ukraine is making all these odd camera "copies" for practice.

If so -- think what he'll be able to pull off once he's gotten really good!
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Old 08-26-2005   #3
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That ain't nothin' but an ole Zorki C --"a Zorki 1 beaten with an ugly stick" -- dressed up in a zoot suit. One thing about it. It's hard to make a Zorki C look any worse
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I dunno- One these with a pair of Madras Bermuda shorts, some white patent leather leisure loafers, black socks, yellow "polo" and a white belt and you're all set for a night on the town. Don't forget your pork pie hat.
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Old 08-26-2005   #5
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okay, I give in. What camera; and is there a link?

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okay, I give in. What camera; and is there a link? Jan
Jan, the link is the word "THIS" in the first post.

I'm impressed........ the shutter has ballbearings as indicated by the letter "K" following the serial number.

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Old 08-26-2005   #7
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Here-

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Old 08-26-2005   #8
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Wow! Close to pornography. I don't know what would be more dangerous. An affair with a woman and my wife found out, or buy that camera and my friends found out. Yikes.

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What if your friends and the wife found out?
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Old 08-26-2005   #10
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It's spelled 'DED' dead as in die.

I'm looking for film with past expiry dates , that is my idea of living on the edge. joke

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Old 08-27-2005   #11
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The white paint on the Zorki classical metal shape around the lens seems to have been performed by a 8 year old child. I'm most impressed by this unusual 3.5/50 Summicron... did the russians transfer lenses production lines from germany to russia ? I am sure i've seen this kind of summicron on my Zorki-4 and Zorki-6, but the finish was more raw... metallic.. not as beautifully painted as here and it was called Industar-50 me thinks ... *giggles*

It's just so ugly and unfair to desacrate russian cameras..
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Old 08-27-2005   #12
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As many funny cameras of this type are constinuously coming out of the FSU countries, I am wondering if "collectors" who purchase them are giving them the incentive to build more, and of course more outrageous ones.

There again, I do not think that it would be more labour-intensive for these "modifiers" to pull a camera apart, check every bit, and reassembling them with greater care that the original factory could not afford to lavish on them, to the highest precision, and then add a simple refinish like a nicely baked black paint. Now that's something we really want!
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Old 08-27-2005   #13
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The scariest statement on the page:

"ALL PICS ARE ACTUAL. YOU'LL RECEIVE WHAT YOU SEE."
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Quick somebody call Greenpeace, I think that's wood veneer in place of the Vulcanite. How many trees were sacrificed for this camera ??? At least those poor poor "vulcans" can keep thier hide one more day


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maybe, maybe not..
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maybe, maybe not..

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Quick somebody call Greenpeace, I think that's wood veneer in place of the Vulcanite. How many trees were sacrificed for this camera ??? At least those poor poor "vulcans" can keep thier hide one more day


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Todd I thought it looked more like 'mactac' but if it is a tree, well...... you must act now.

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Old 08-27-2005   #16
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The same seller has a Kiev 3 at a decent price. How can you take anyone seriously when they put a ridiculous camera like the "olympuc Leica" up along side it? These sellers would do much better to put the effort into CLA'ing a camera and not just Painting it.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...Pr4_PcY_BIN_IT
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I agree with you guys!!!!
Ill be really happy if those guys faking poor made Feds or Zorkis, do something better, it is to refurbish them and get properly working old CCCP cameras!!!!
I love FSU cameras as they are cheap and If yore lucky yull get one that works fine from the very beginning, but this... OMG!!!!! this sucks!!!!!

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Old 08-27-2005   #18
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there are some nice copies, like the all black zorki 1s.
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This one makes my teeth hurt. I was fortunate to receive a "customized" black Mir from Rusfoto and it looks great and works like it should. I'll try to post a picture of it with my Bessa R.
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"Customized FSU Cameras"

Here is a photo of the Mir I just spoke of along side a Bessa R. Whoever Denis gets these from, he does a decent job.
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Nice looking Mir. It's amazing how much better the rigid I-50 looks in black rather than metal.
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Old 08-28-2005   #22
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I agree with you guys!!!!
Ill be really happy if those guys faking poor made Feds or Zorkis, do something better, it is to refurbish them and get properly working old CCCP cameras!!!!
I love FSU cameras as they are cheap and If yore lucky yull get one that works fine from the very beginning, but this... OMG!!!!! this sucks!!!!!

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Makes me want to vomit!! BUT somebody must be buying these things otherwise they wouldn't waste their time "buggering up" perfectly good cameras!!!
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Not only is there wasted skill but there can't be much profit in them either. I would really like to know how these guys do it. How do they get rid of the old engravings?
I appears to be a blanket job. Yesterday I saw one with the frame number arrow missing. I suspect perhaps they got rid of it and then forgot to put it back.
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As long as someone pays for it, there will be anyone else doing it!!

People who make it are not interested in bringing old film cameras back to the market. Theyre just targeted to obtain more money from a camera that otherwise would be sold for a few dollars.

I prefer (for myself of course) to pay $100 for a decent Kiev, Fed or Zorki instead of paying $200 for the fake of something that never existed!!
I know that a Kiev is not a Contax, that Feds or Zorkis ar not Leicas... but does it really matter?? Any one of them is a valuable camera in itself because it was made to last, its not made of plastic or have pieces that will be broken after 500 film rolls...
All this cameras are kind of collectible items that will still be in service may be 30 years in the future (if film still exists of course!)
Thats the reason why (I guess) so many of Us are interested in them...

The engravings can be removed by carefully flattening the plates and filling the vaults with molten brass, polishing and re engraving them later before being chromed again and painted. Remember the first Kievs which showed traces of the original Contax engraving in the reverse side of the front plate! A nice job to disguise a german made Contax assembled and renamed in Ukraine.

Profit?? Well ... not much be sure, it means the cameras were bought either by the pound or for pennies... so perhaps the price reflects only modifications costs.

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Wow! That Mir is awesome! I too don't understand why the crafters would spend so much time creating a Leica design or faux Nazi paraphanelia while they could be replacing shutter curtains, CLA'ing the stuff, and keeping them in their once pristine (well, maybe not the ones made in the end of the quota years) factory origins. Nevertheless, the camera which started the thread is sweet. When you're travelling pickpockets will see that hideous piece and will leave you alone! Let's go bad taste!
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At least they spelled "CM" correctly on the lens. On some copies, they put "SM" for some strange reason.

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I previously commented that the fakers might be better off tarting up their own as their own, but a bit of restraint might be in order. Have a go at this.......

http://cgi.ebay.com/ZORKI-4-50-ANNIV...QQcmdZViewItem

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