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View Poll Results: Poll: Has Leica alienated photographers?
Yes, I feel alienated by Leica's High Prices 169 38.06%
Maybe, sometimes yes, sometimes no 85 19.14%
No, I want Leica quality and that means Leica prices 122 27.48%
YES, I am alienated by Leica targeting bling marketing (late poll addition) 68 15.32%
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Old 06-27-2018   #761
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No better RF out there. Cost benefit ratio suggests less expensive DSLR.
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Old 06-29-2018   #762
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The RF experience is the same with other cameras, in as much they are cameras as well. Having used Canon and Nikon RF cameras, I can tell you the viewfinders and RF patches do not come close to that on Leicas.
In some respects the viewfinders in the rangefinders from the other companies were better.

The pre-war Zeiss has a massive rangefinder base with a larger finder patch.

Most Nikons are 1.0x viewfinders, an increase of 10% over an M3 and 40% over a 0.72 Leica, in a lighter, more compact body.

Some of the Canons had three magnification settings for the viewfinder -- wide-angle, normal, telephoto.

And back when they all made rangefinders, Leitz optics were not the best.

Each camera system has their own strengths and weaknesses. To say Leica Ms are clearly tops, shows lack of experience with other cameras.

I've shot Leica products exclusively for two decades, and their products are very nice, but all those companies produced nice products.
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Old 07-01-2018   #763
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To say Leica Ms are clearly tops, shows lack of experience with other cameras.

I've shot Leica products exclusively for two decades, and their products are very nice, but all those companies produced nice products.
I've had plenty of experience with other RFs. Those from Nikon and Canon have miserable rf blobs instead of defined patches. Most don't have parallax correction. Ones from Cosina in the Bessa series just felt substandard to use (I owned those too).
etc etc.
There's a reason Leica is the last RF mfg standing.
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Old 07-01-2018   #764
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Leica equipment has always been expensive. So are Hasselblad, Zeiss, Canon L-series, and plenty of other high-end alternatives.

I have a vintage M3 kit that was my father's, a second-hand M8.2, some old Soviet glass, and two modern Voigtlander lenses.

I'm just a hobbyist. I'm just grateful to Leica for creating this amazing system and equipment for me to enjoy, and for the professionals and wealthier hobbyists who keep them in business.
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Old 08-07-2018   #765
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. . . And back when they all made rangefinders, Leitz optics were not the best. . .
Dear Steve,

Some were. Some weren't. To dismiss them all as "not the best" suggests, to use your own phrase, some lack of experience.

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Old 09-09-2018   #766
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"For God's and my own sake stop beating this dead horse and go out and take some photographs."

Now what's the fun in that? All kidding aside, that's what photographers do, yes? It reminds me of what Tennessee Williams' wrote about the lowest of the low that circulated at cocktail parties....."writers that don't write, and painters that don't paint". We've all experienced that. The gear head and measure beater that goes on and on and on abut their uber expensive piece of Leica jewelry, while the actual photographer is no where to be found because they're out, shudder, taking photos. How common!

A photographer, and by that I mean a real photographer, doesn't need a hyper expensive piece o digital crap camera. They are quite content to use whatever they have to make the images that they like to make. If I am painting a picture, a $130 sable brush will not enable me to make a better painting, and buying an expensive digital or film Leica camera will not enable me to take better photos than my old $50 Nikkormat w/ 50 2 H lens made.
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Old 09-09-2018   #767
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If you buy the Leica watch..for over 10K..you will tell better time..and be a better photog...lol..
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Old 09-09-2018   #768
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the dead horse

indeed the proverbial dead horse

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Old 09-10-2018   #771
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Old 09-10-2018   #772
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Why, Michael, it’s so plain—it’s the Concours d’Equine Enmity!

1/round up the most beautiful horses, berate them, beat them and shoot them.

2/Pose for trophy photo beside your Prius (Volt, Tesla, SmartCar, Piaggio....)
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Ah Robert …. now that you`re comparing it to the horse scene it all makes sense
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Has Maserati alienated drivers?

Ready? Long live Leica! I'll never own one. I'm with all things, "a value shopper". I also think their camera bodies in the digital era no longer justify their price. But, like fine Swiss watches, did in the film era.

Butchya know what? I want all camera companies to survive/thrive. Leica is upmarket, always has been. Upmarket "anything" doesn't "alienate" me. I don't even understand this concept -- with cameras or "whatever".
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Drivers? Renault didn't. They are in F1 and in Turkey plant. Maserf.., sorry, rat_i is boutique product. Alienated for drivers.

Someone recently posted at LUF M10 pictures thread - "you could use mobile phones instead".
Leica is for sure the pleasing item(s) to own. And for kind of using it. But. I don't know how Leica became almost eliminated from momentum in photography. Some older photogs in the Magnum left. Elsewhere...three film M photogs I'm aware of, one of them is more less known. Digital M. The same. The rest of us are nothing special from the rest of non Leica users.
Why here is no new HCB, GW, BG and so on? M10 is just as perfect and M4.
Price for used film M isn't this expensive. Price for used M8,9,240 isn't this much expensive either.
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Old 12-04-2019   #776
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Ko, Costa Manos shoots with 2 M 10s.
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Ko, Costa Manos shoots with 2 M 10s.
This is what I was trying to say. Few in the Magnum. Old ones. Here is it much to match from not so old ones.

If you will have your book on blurb or Amazon, I will get it. Here is really very few with digital M and pictures worth of the book. IMO. But maybe I miss something as big as the planet
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Lise Sarfati started using digital Leicas because Kodachrome 200 was discontinued.

Peter Turnley uses an M10, too.

A thought crossed my mind the other day: Leica has become gentrified.
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How many decades you were using non-Leica RF? And how many of HCB, GW level photogs were, are?
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In some respects the viewfinders in the rangefinders from the other companies were better.

The pre-war Zeiss has a massive rangefinder base with a larger finder patch.

Most Nikons are 1.0x viewfinders, an increase of 10% over an M3 and 40% over a 0.72 Leica, in a lighter, more compact body.

Some of the Canons had three magnification settings for the viewfinder -- wide-angle, normal, telephoto.

And back when they all made rangefinders, Leitz optics were not the best.

Each camera system has their own strengths and weaknesses. To say Leica Ms are clearly tops, shows lack of experience with other cameras.

I've shot Leica products exclusively for two decades, and their products are very nice, but all those companies produced nice products.
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