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Old 01-09-2020   #41
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The current 50mm 1.8 af-d is the same lens in a lighter, albeit more voluminous, barrel...
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Hey folks! I'm looking to get a 50mm prime for my Nikon F3 to replace a Series E that I had. From the discussion here and elsewhere, it's looking like the 50mm/1.8 AI-S Japanese pancake (with serial number beginning with 2) is my best bet.

However, it's quite a bit rarer in the UK than the standard 50mm/1.8 AI-S pancake (with serial number beginning with 4). I'd be curious to hear peoples' thoughts on whether it's worth paying a premium for the Japanese version, and how much of a premium is worthwhile?

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For the closer focus, yes, get the Japanese version.

As to how much, that’s an individual decision.

If you’re patient they pop up at fair prices, as not everyone knows about the specifics of these.
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Hey folks! I'm looking to get a 50mm prime for my Nikon F3 to replace a Series E that I had. From the discussion here and elsewhere, it's looking like the 50mm/1.8 AI-S Japanese pancake (with serial number beginning with 2) is my best bet.

However, it's quite a bit rarer in the UK than the standard 50mm/1.8 AI-S pancake (with serial number beginning with 4). I'd be curious to hear peoples' thoughts on whether it's worth paying a premium for the Japanese version, and how much of a premium is worthwhile?

Many thanks!
You can find the close focus versions on Ebay from Japanese sellers relatively easily. As you say, they're very hard to find in the UK. Probably around GBP 150 for a decent one plus any Customs charges. But do look at quite a few - I have noticed several examples with fungus.
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You can find the close focus versions on Ebay from Japanese sellers relatively easily. As you say, they're very hard to find in the UK. Probably around GBP 150 for a decent one plus any Customs charges. But do look at quite a few - I have noticed several examples with fungus.
I got mine from here on rff.

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The current 50mm 1.8 af-d is the same lens in a lighter, albeit more voluminous, barrel...
Yes, although the manual focus action is not in the same league. I have a made in Japan version of the AF-D.

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...not everyone knows about the specifics of these.
I agree, most of the 50/1.8 pancakes I've seen on the Big Auction site and elsewhere rarely specify whether or not it's the Japanese version. You'd need to know what to look for, like the serial number beginning with 2 or the 0.45m close focus distance.
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Nikon FM2n, AI Nikkor 50mm f/1.8S, Ultrafine Xtreme 400, developed in LegacyPro L110 at 1:31 for 5.5 minutes.


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Is the "Japanese" version any different optically than my 50mm f/1.8 Nikkor that focuses to 0.6 meter? Mine doesn't focus to 0.45M, but is nevertheless marked "Made in Japan." So what's the difference? How is the 0.45 version any more Japanese than the 0.6 version?
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All the manual focus were made in Japan, later AFD versions are marked MIJ as well as MIC.

Same optics in the 0.6m as the 0.45m versions.

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The pancake was not exported when new; made only for Japanese market.
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All the manual focus were made in Japan, later AFD versions are marked MIJ as well as MIC.

Same optics in the 0.6m as the 0.45m versions.

More here.

The pancake was not exported when new; made only for Japanese market.
Yes, maybe "Japanese-market version" is more precise.
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All the manual focus were made in Japan, later AFD versions are marked MIJ as well as MIC.

Same optics in the 0.6m as the 0.45m versions.

More here.

The pancake was not exported when new; made only for Japanese market.
I see. For some reason the .45M version seems to get all the attention, even though the only difference is in the mount.
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Same mount, but smaller/lighter than any of the other 50/1.8 varieties, and closer focus than the other pancake varieties.
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Enjoying your pics with this lens, dourbalistar

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So, the difference between the two is simply closer focus?
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Enjoying your pics with this lens, dourbalistar

Thanks! I've only had the lens for a few months, but it's quickly become a favorite.

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So, the difference between the two is simply closer focus?
The Japanese-market version has rubber focus ring, while the other pancake has a plastic focusing ring. The MIR site also notes one more "feature".

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Another add on by Nikon is:- Added is a lens's mounting assistance post which serves as a convenient feature for mounting the lens in the dark (With the post facing up, simply push the back of the lens against the camera body's lens mounting flange, then twist the lens counterclockwise until it clicks into place).
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Nice shots dourbalistar. I especially like the cliff face and the shot of your daughter (?) with just the right amount of background blur. We can tell something about the surroundings, but it's blurred enough not to distract.
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Nice shots dourbalistar. I especially like the cliff face and the shot of your daughter (?) with just the right amount of background blur. We can tell something about the surroundings, but it's blurred enough not to distract.
Thanks, Smaug! The cliff face is Half Dome in Yosemite, a favorite subject of St. Ansel.

And yes, that's my daughter at the Christmas tree farm. I was hoping to achieve exactly what you noted, and I was glad when it turned out as I intended.
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Nikon FM2n, AI Nikkor 50mm f/1.8S, Ultrafine Xtreme 400, developed in LegacyPro L110 at 1:31 for 5.5 minutes.


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I think the lack of distortion is pretty evident in the second photo. I didn't apply any corrections in post, and the lines are straight even at the (top) edge of the frame.

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Amazing photo! Would you mind sharing details of how you made this exposure!


All your work in this thread is brilliant. Nice looking family!
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I do not need a new lens, I do not need a new..., I do not need...

...but now I'm curious and I would like to try one on my FM2T !!!

Excellent photos in the thread...
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I have shot with various versions of the 50mm 1.8 such as the Ai, Ai-S, E Series, and this Ai-S pancake version you speak of - I realize that they aren't all identical and have slight variations, but I couldn't personally tell you how they differ.

My hands aren't massive, but I find the pancake version to be just a bit too small to be comfortable for me. I've settled on the 50mm f/2 as my primary F mount 50, but if I had to pick one of the 1.8's, it would be the plain jane Ai version.
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dourbalistar: Amazing photo! Would you mind sharing details of how you made this exposure!

All your work in this thread is brilliant. Nice looking family!
Thank you for the kind words! Here's how I set up the star trail shot. I framed up the shot before it got dark, and set the aperture and focus. Once it was dark enough, I set a 90 minute exposure using a cable release, then went and sat by the campfire and enjoyed a beer.



I took two exposures, and the one you quoted in Post #65 is actually the second one. It was already dark when I set up the second exposure, so I just pointed at a different part of the sky and left it up to f/8... I mean fate.
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I do not need a new lens, I do not need a new..., I do not need...

...but now I'm curious and I would like to try one on my FM2T !!!

Excellent photos in the thread...
Thank you, Robert! Luckily, this lens is not terribly expensive, and it makes for a nice, compact package on the FM2. I got mine on the Big Auction site for about $120USD shipped.
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I have shot with various versions of the 50mm 1.8 such as the Ai, Ai-S, E Series, and this Ai-S pancake version you speak of - I realize that they aren't all identical and have slight variations, but I couldn't personally tell you how they differ.

My hands aren't massive, but I find the pancake version to be just a bit too small to be comfortable for me. I've settled on the 50mm f/2 as my primary F mount 50, but if I had to pick one of the 1.8's, it would be the plain jane Ai version.
Yeah, ergonomics is a personal preference. As far as versions, there three different pancake versions, and I believe they're optically identical:
Series E < Ai-S < Japanese market Ai-S

The differences between them are:
Single coated < multi-coated < 0.45m MFD

I've not tried the other 50/1.8 variants so I can't comment on those, but I can say that I really like the results I've gotten from this Japanese-market pancake.
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At or very near the MFD...

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Was considering a pancake lens for my FM2 but the price differential for the ‘S’ version doesn’t seem meaningful enough though nice to have 0.45m close focus. The images appear lower contrast, probably typical for the era. The 45/2.8 AIP, though a stop slower, is truly a pancake. Personally, the slightly wider CV 2/40 has a closer focus of 0.4m and is a higher contrast optic too. Tried the SLI version and it’s every bit as solidly built as any Nikkor AIS.
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The 45 pancake is *definitely* overpriced for its performance, which is good for a Tessar, not that that says very much. it’s more of a collector lens and still sells for $300ish, plus or minus. The earlier 45 GN is truly a low contrast Tessar.

The Voigtlander is the best of this comparison (as expected as it’s a contemporary design and manufacture) but also sells for quite a bit more. I prefer the larger 40/2 SL IIS that focuses to 0.25 without a close-up filter; great lens!
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Was considering a pancake lens for my FM2 but the price differential for the ĎSí version doesnít seem meaningful enough though nice to have 0.45m close focus. The images appear lower contrast, probably typical for the era. The 45/2.8 AIP, though a stop slower, is truly a pancake. Personally, the slightly wider CV 2/40 has a closer focus of 0.4m and is a higher contrast optic too. Tried the SLI version and itís every bit as solidly built as any Nikkor AIS.
Given that the non-Japanese market pancake and the Japanese-market "S" versions are optically identical, I'm sure you could get similar results for a bit less cost.

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The 45 pancake is *definitely* overpriced for its performance, which is good for a Tessar, not that that says very much. itís more of a collector lens and still sells for $300ish, plus or minus. The earlier 45 GN is truly a low contrast Tessar.

The Voigtlander is the best of this comparison (as expected as itís a contemporary design and manufacture) but also sells for quite a bit more. I prefer the larger 40/2 SL IIS that focuses to 0.25 without a close-up filter; great lens!
I considered the Voigtlander pancake, too, but ultimately it was quite a bit more expensive in comparison. Style-wise, the larger 40/2 SL IIS reminds me of a modern version of the Nikkor 50/2 non-AI, albeit a slightly wider focal length. I'm sure it has better overall performance, being a more modern version.
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Coming from rangefinders, I like the close focus-ability of SLRs. And the 0.45m lets me get just that little bit closer.

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Agreed. An SLR lens that doesn’t have decent close focus won’t qualify to be in my bag.

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