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who the heck is CMOSIS (from Belgium)? How come they have never been in spotlight before? Interesting developments..
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I have assembled a nice collection of Leica lenses, at no small expense, and while I am happy to go on using them on Leica film bodies, I was really hoping for an affordable FF digital body from Leica. I had an M8 and just never took to it, and I had an M9 that simply cost too much for me to feel comfortable with. I hoped that the M-E would be a nice compromise, but that price is just silly. Damn shame.
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Video would be focused just like live view stills. I have no interest in video (right now, anyway), but it appears that they've implemented it in a pretty low-impact way; there if you need it, can be easily ignored if you don't.

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Leica put up a (not so informative) video up on their mrleicacamera YouTube account.
Vimeo probably too.

Edit: The John Dooley video (same account on YT) is better.
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They may be LED illuminated, but it appears they will be bigger for those old guys who like the M4-era framelines (sized for 2m according to the spec sheet).

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who the heck is CMOSIS (from Belgium)? How come they have never been in spotlight before? Interesting developments..
I actually thought that maybe, just maybe, it may have been Sony or Panasonic but I've never heard of this company before - I don't care if it's "designed specifically for . . . . . " - to me, this is an unknown variable in this camera.

I still hurt from having that crappy sensor in the M8 (line of dead pixels) and it is part of the reason why I steered clear of the M9 (not to mention the price of course )

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I wonder WHO made the sensor.

Which company would make such a thing - 24MP CMOS - Panasonic? Sony?

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I think my decision to pick-up a new M9-P recently with the ~$1,500 price reduction is looking like a smart move after all.
Yup. Not even a small step from the M9, except maybe writing files faster to storage.
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They said its a small company in Belgium, not one of the big boys.

Yep - a company that's only been around since late 2007-early 2008 - *sigh*

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Here's the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_4xHIqU4t8&sns=em

Hope the link works, since I'm on my iPad.
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If you just got some money and want a Leica, would you buy an M9 or a ME?

ME. Because it has faster write speed compared to M9, not to mention it will be serviced for a bit longer.
where did you see the ME has faster write speeds? looks like it has the same internals. i would love a link to that info.
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So the M-E is literally an M9 sans frameline selector? Or am I missing something?
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The Leica M also marks the beginning of a new era in the Leica product naming policy. In future, Leica M and S model names will omit the number suffix to emphasize the enduring and long-term significance of the respective systems.

This tells me there will be many models at higher prices at shorter intervals. Doesn't make me look forward to the next model.
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So the M-E is literally an M9 sans frameline selector? Or am I missing something?
I was just going to ask that, the ME is basically a "new" M9 ?
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So the M-E is literally an M9 sans frameline selector? Or am I missing something?
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...And no USB port.
Ok. Thanks for clearing that up.

So M-E is the M9.
Different color
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M-E is clearly trying to price cut the M9 without making existing M9 owners mad. Remove some items that add marginally to the cost, call it something different, sell it for what passes as a Leica "budget" price.

The M... pretty interesting. You're $10k in with the accessories that make it interesting, though, without even having bought glass yet...
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To those who so adamantly claimed that an M should never have live view or video: I am looking forward to seeing how many of you conveniently forget that you ever held that opinion as soon as you've pre-ordered.

The lack of live view has been a MAJOR limitation of the digital M's up to now. I am delighted to see that Leica sees these issues with clearer eyes than some of the more Luddite Leica fans do.
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Ok. Thanks for clearing that up.

So M-E is the M9.
Different color
No ISO 80
No USB port
No frameline preview lever
the spec sheet still shows "ISO 80 pull" so i guess that is still there.
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Interesting.

The press release does NOT say that the M lacks an antialiasing filter.
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I think the new M should have been an M9 with a new sensor, faster innards and live view. This is just too much change. Here's to waiting for the special edition "M classic."
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No, it still has the "pull" ISO 80, according to the spec sheet.

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Ok. Thanks for clearing that up.

So M-E is the M9.
Different color
No ISO 80
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They talk about the M-E's quiet shutter, but they don't say that it's new or any different than the M8.2/M9 shutter. And they don't talk about new M's the shutter at all. So I'm not clear on what's going on there.

The prices are still Leica prices, but at least they didn't go up exponentially again.

The new M looks like they've actually listened to photographer's needs and responded as they can. The real question is going to be how the new sensor compares to the competition. The lack of stupid-high ISOs like 12,800 and up probably won't be an issue to real photographers, especially with f/1.4 lenses. If it delivers a clean 3200 and a decently usable 6400, I think a lot of Leica users will be satisfied.
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The lack of stupid-high ISOs like 12,800 and up probably won't be an issue to real photographers, ...
It's unlikely though that 'real photographers' will constitute more than 5% of the potential buyers .
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The spec sheet doesn't mention that, either. But, then again, neither do the spec sheets for the M-E or M9/M9-P.

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The press release does NOT say that the M lacks an antialiasing filter.
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leica should give the opportunity to upgrade the electronics of this new "M"
it would be great to assure to the buyers at least 2 upgrade available in 3/4 years each.
same body, different electronics.
they could charge 2000/2500 euros to have a brand new updated sensor and circuitry.

leica bodies could come back to their analogial splendour.
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Live view, higher ISO, and splash-proof are nice, overdue touches. Splash-proof body not so useful without splash-proof lenses though.

My inclination is still to go for a an OM-D/Panasonic splash-proof, reasonably-fast zoom combination to complement my M9. But then I'm starting from a position of already having the M9. If I didn't already have a digital M (not the "M"), I'd have more interest in this.
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If it delivers a clean 3200 and a decently usable 6400, I think a lot of Leica users will be satisfied.
I agree with Peter. And I think that Leica is going to sell as many of these as they can make. I wonder if it will be possible to mount, say, Nikon or Olympus glass on this thing with an aftermarket adapter? If so, you may just see folks cherry picking the best glass they can afford to slap on this sucker -- like a universal FF platform. You can't do that with a Canon/Nikon/Sony/Pentax (although Canon comes close(er)). Hey, I've always had a soft spot for the Konica 57/1.2 AR. . .

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I'd be tempted to buy another M9 as a parts (or replacement) camera if the M line is heading farther away from simple low-tech (as digital cameras go).
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The lack of splash proof lenses is probably less of an issue with Leica since there are no electronics in the lenses themselves to be damaged by water. Water infiltration through the lens is possible of course, but it's probably less of an issue than the mount, switches, ports, and buttons. Probably not done to Oly standards, but a decent step up from the old bodies.

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Live view, higher ISO, and splash-proof are nice, overdue touches. Splash-proof body not so useful without splash-proof lenses though.

My inclination is still to go for a an OM-D/Panasonic splash-proof, reasonably-fast zoom combination to complement my M9. But then I'm starting from a position of already having the M9. If I didn't already have a digital M (not the "M"), I'd have more interest in this.
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I'd be tempted to buy another M9 as a parts (or replacement) camera if the M line is heading farther away from simple low-tech (as digital cameras go).
I think the existence of the ME means a refresh of the support timeline for the M9, as the internals appear to be the same. So this is good news for M9 owners. Even so I would love to find a serious user M9 all dinged and dented with broken lcd but working insides... i'd buy it for parts.
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So the M-E is literally an M9 sans frameline selector? Or am I missing something?
From what I can see.. yes.. but at a better price $5450 US (according to Steve Huff and others).

$5450 US is still a lot of money.. about the same as a used M9 P today.

As someone who is looking to buy his first full frame digital that makes choosing Leica a bit easier to justify... I already have the the lenses so the ME or a reconditioned MP / M9P will be within my price range.
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where did you see the ME has faster write speeds? looks like it has the same internals. i would love a link to that info.
I just assumed at the spur of the moment, even I did not suspect that this is just a M9 in new clothes.
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I just assumed at the spur of the moment, even I did not suspect that this is just a M9 in new clothes.
aw... was hoping i'd missed something.
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Here's the video:
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Hope the link works, since I'm on my iPad.
So basically a DSLR-like functionality in a M Leica.

But is it any longer an M Leica? Or its something more like a, "Leica M lenses utility device with an optional rangefinder".

Lets face it, once people use that EVF with focus peaking rangefinder OVF is no longer the first option... So, in the end of the day Leica itself killed its only USP (unique selling point) which is the rangefinder OVF.

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Something to bear in mind is that CCD sensors do age -- pixels take cosmic ray hits and go dead or hot.
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