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Old 01-09-2020   #41
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Here's my ranking of the best to worst looking front decorations:

1. Small screw
2. Dot in matching color
3. Standard red dot
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4. Large flat screw
5. Large domed screw
6. Large red dot

I'd avoid everything under the dotted line. There's something not right about me...err...I mean them.
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Old 01-09-2020   #42
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I like the screw on my M2. I can see how the much larger one on the M10 Monochrom is less appealing. I don't see why it needs to be so big. It does need to be there, though. It's for access to the rangefinder vertical adjustment. It's not the adjusting screw proper. You remove it to get to the adjustment.

Maybe Leica will read this, and correct their mistake before they make too many of them. Then the early copies can rate a high collector's price.
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Old 01-09-2020   #43
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My Fourp has a screw. It's never bothered me. I suppose I should unscrew it sometime, and do some adjusting.
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Old 01-09-2020   #44
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If you ever remove the domed screw on an earlier Leica to adjust the rangefinder, make sure you keep the lens on: it gets very tiny when it’s off and could easily fall into the camera. The M10M is likely an improvement even from the maintenance point of view.
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Old 01-10-2020   #45
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Be glad the screw isn't a Philips.

They should cover the screw with an "atomic" symbol, such as on the Yashica Electro 35:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yashica_Electro_35
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Old 01-10-2020   #46
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  • I like the stealth and profile of the black buttons
  • Unless it's the lighting/shadows or camera angle, the lines in the M10-M top-plate (below the rangefinder windows) seems a bit more defined/angular than the rounded profile of the Typ 246
  • No strap protectors on the top-plate
  • THAT SCREW!
I'm sticking with my M6
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Old 01-10-2020   #47
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Just remove the screw and put a bit of tape over the opening. Very stealthy.
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Old 01-10-2020   #48
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Looks like the lens is uncoated. I'd like a 50mm aspherical Summicron wthout coating.


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Old 01-10-2020   #49
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...so the only major change is a type of screw... I suppose that many thousands of posts will follow to consider the pros and cons...
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Old 01-10-2020   #50
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I propose an a-la-carte screw-head selector on the Leica webpage...
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Old 01-10-2020   #51
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Poll is up, BTW. Just for fun/to prolong the agony.
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Thanks for the heads up. This should be fun. LOL.

Something for obsessive people to obsess and fight over.

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It looks amazing. I do still wish that Leica would build a monochrome sensor camera with a 4 or 5 stop nd filter array over some of the sensor pixels to increase the highlight exposure range. Cameras can process the rgb input from bayer filter sensors so it should be trivial to implement, but it hasn’t been done. There are still plenty of situations where the highlight rendition and/or the way highlights blend to pure white is a lot less nice than it was on film.

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This is a great idea. I imagine the highlights to be fluffy and smooth like in film with a wonderful roll off.

Having that level of control in the highlights would be a great asset. With a high mega pixel camera with pixels to spare mucho more dynamic range.

THIS WOULD BE A VERY BIG ADVANCE.

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I suggest a faux autofocus assist LED instead of that screw.
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Old 01-10-2020   #54
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Or make them very happy...
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I was always a happy guy, even before I discovered Leica, but my Leicas do make me happy.

Something to obsess about. LOL.

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Old 01-10-2020   #55
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Maybe it's the rangefinder adjustment screw. I wonder how much the accessory Leica screwdriver is - $1500 for the silver and $2500 for the black titanium?
It's an extra $500 for the "pre-brassed" slotted screwdriver point.
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Old 01-10-2020   #56
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You might want to remove the lens before tossing that MA. It's still good. You could use it on a Good body if you happen to find one.
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Er. Last post was for Huss. We was about to throw away a perfectly good lens. .......several posts ago.
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Er. Last post was for Huss. We was about to throw away a perfectly good lens. .......several posts ago.
R,

I understand. One bad screw ruined his camera. LOL.

BTW the a la cart screw chart is amazing. What will they think of next?

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This camera needs one of those articulating, cobra-head pop-up flashes!
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Old 01-10-2020   #60
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You might want to remove the lens before tossing that MA. It's still good. You could use it on a Good body if you happen to find one.
It was good. But it was contaminated by attaching it to a camera with an ugly screw.
So in the trash it went.
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Old 01-10-2020   #61
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You think Leica has problems...
ScarlettRumors.wow has it that Scarlett Johansson's belly button, if turned 90 degrees to the left, causes her bottom to fall off.
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Old 01-10-2020   #62
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Sorry. The matte black everywhere look is unappealing. It looks like an Amish tried to sneak in a fancy camera by painting it black and pulling off the chrome.
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Old 01-10-2020   #63
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I propose an a-la-carte screw-head selector on the Leica webpage...

Brilliant idea! If Leica were to do that, they'd make money.

The six slot Torx looks nice.

One thing they need to be careful of, regardless of which screw head, is that the slots need to be aligned properly. For example, we can't have a slot tilted 10 degrees off vertical. It must be vertical. Like, when you look at a professionally made photo of a classic Ferrari with Cromodora wheels, they arrange the wheels to be in a balanced position, not random.

These are the little details that actually sell the camera!!!
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Old 01-10-2020   #64
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Sorry. The matte black everywhere look is unappealing. It looks like an Amish tried to sneak in a fancy camera by painting it black and pulling off the chrome.
Maybe the M10 Monochrom is all black to emphasize monochromicity.

Anyway, Amish haven't favoured digital cameras - nor even an M6 with a battery. Word on the street is they like the black M4 a lot.
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Old 01-10-2020   #65
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Okay, machinists, how hard would it be to make a “spinner” screw that you'd push in to unscrew (“you” in this case being a technician who needs to adjust the vertical rangefinder alignment) and when popped out would turn freely so you could adjust it to juuuuuust perfectly vertical, or horizontal, or whatever you prefer...
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summary of RFF impressions to this new camera 60+ posts: there's a screw in front of it
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What's with you kids? A 41MP Monochrom (something close to 60MP in a color sensor) and you're still going on about a screw.

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What's with you kids? A 41MP Monochrom (something close to 60MP in a color sensor) and you're still going on about a screw.

It's not just any screw, it's a Leica screw lol
I wonder what its thread pitch is? It would be a scandal if it's BSA/Whitworth rather than metric.
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It's not just any screw, it's a Leica screw lol
I wonder what its thread pitch is? It would be a scandal if it's BSA/Whitworth rather than metric.
Don’t you mean metrik? Cuz, you know.
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It is shocking. 2020 and it still looks like from 1956.
So unevfing.
I must ask, what is 'unevfing'?
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What's with you kids? A 41MP Monochrom (something close to 60MP in a color sensor) and you're still going on about a screw.

Apparently a screw is big news.
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Leica is on a good screw ...
for Leica's screwballs and some others.
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What's with you kids? A 41MP Monochrom (something close to 60MP in a color sensor) and you're still going on about a screw.

The news about the screw is big.
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"The Screw" makes the Monochrom effectively a 1.0 MP camera!
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It is kinda funny how one word, "Leica" can annoy people.
I love that I can upset people so easily by having Leicas. When someone says to me "Is that a Leica?", I always reply "Yes, where's yours, you didn't bring it?" just to annoy them!
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With or without screw I would like to try one even if at the moment I cannot afford!
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Maybe I should aim at The Screw Monochrom?
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Apparently a screw is big news.
If it is a big screw.
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Maybe I should aim at The Screw Monochrom?

Raid you may wait a while for the "very" Limited Edition of this Monochrom :

it would be marketed as " M10 Screw Monochrom" only one available just for you.
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This is serious stuff. I'm surprised I have to be the first to note how dangerous a dull, flat screw can be to a marriage. Some of you folks have mentioned your Leicas being a potential source of tension with your S.O.s, but this is a real disaster waiting to happen.
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