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The early-60's Pontiac Tempest had an interesting mechanical "experiment"... a long slender driveshaft running in a long curved housing from the engine to a rear transaxle and independent rear suspension. The standard motor was a slant-four derived from the 389 V-8 from the "full size" cars, IIRC. But there was also a new aluminum 3.5 liter V8 shared with other GM compacts and the British Rover. Interesting times!
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The early-60's Pontiac Tempest had an interesting mechanical "experiment"... a long slender driveshaft running in a long curved housing from the engine to a rear transaxle and independent rear suspension.
The "rope drive" if I remember correctly.
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I'm not sure what the point of it was... The transaxle moved weight rearward for better handling balance, and the independent rear suspension should reduce unsprung weight for better handling... but IIRC it had swing axles which due to the camber changes are not much benefit to handling. Could this and the oddball half-V8 motor have been engineering exercises just to be different?
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Just after seeing the '59 model (above) I saw a framed advert for the '58 version. It was in a shop behind heap of second-hand stuff, vases etc, and I had to borrow my wife's phone and lean over them to get the picture with reflections and a poor crop. I hope I've managed to correct most of the problems.

It's not my idea of a good looking car, btw.

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A good find David. I used to think this era of US (and UK pale imitiations) were a bit on the large size and rather bulky, but have come to respect them as excellent representations of their era. A friend who mainly restores UK and European cars loves them as decidedly robust, reliable and well made.
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David--I think that's a 1958--the '59 was a big change in style...
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A good find David. I used to think this era of US (and UK pale imitiations) were a bit on the large size and rather bulky, but have come to respect them as excellent representations of their era. A friend who mainly restores UK and European cars loves them as decidedly robust, reliable and well made.

I was tempted by it but mostly by the frame but I've too many photo's etc in frames and not enough wall...

So I left it there for someone else with a spare fiver to spend.

I was hoping to put a picture here of a "mystery" car as we used to have; a Bond Equipe, but I only have slids from that era and a few PR pictures I scrounged from BL.

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PS To add to the mystery I scrounged a sticker saying "Serviced by Aston Martin" and put it on the rear screen. Everyone in this village in those days was a farm hand, a clicker or an outworker in the boot and shoe trade but there were one or two of us commuting to distant parts and ASL was just down the road then.
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Just after seeing the '59 model (above) I saw a framed advert for the '58 version. It was in a shop behind heap of second-hand stuff, vases etc, and I had to borrow my wife's phone and lean over them to get the picture with reflections and a poor crop. I hope I've managed to correct most of the problems.

It's not my idea of a good looking car, btw.

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Late Fifties automotive design coming out of Detroit was, like the music, a reflection of the spirit of the country at the time. Vibrant, confident, enthusiastic, forward looking, and bursting with a sense of joy at being alive. If you think that assessment is excessive, it’s only because. you weren’t there.

It was a time of large shifts in design, year to year. Not for them the timid and unsure “incremental” “improvements” we see today. Bigger touch screen!

The excesses of design, as here in this ‘58 Caddy, were not bugs, they were features. It was lost on no one at the time that this was excessive; people not only didn’t care, they loved it, even if they couldn’t afford it. “Girls Just Wanna Have Fun” as Cyndi Lauper would later say.
America in the Fifties, no one needed a shoe conglomerate to prod them to “Just Do It” because just doing it was the norm. The fact that “It” didn't always work was not a deterrent; there was always next year with its fresh sheet of paper.

As cars, taken as transportation devices and not design statements, the American cars of this era were not that great, but were more or less “of their time”. They were, as they were called at the time, land yachts. They wallowed, handling like a nice Chris Craft with an Olds V-8 on board, just burbling along Route 66. They were not really transportation devices, they were built to put smiles on people’s faces. And that they did.

FWIW, I never lusted for a ‘59 Cadillac, being more of a ‘58 Buick Roadmaster man myself. Nothing succeeds like excess.
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...FWIW, I never lusted for a ‘59 Cadillac, being more of a ‘58 Buick Roadmaster man myself. Nothing succeeds like excess.
Hmmm, my take on that is that "less is more" to quote Ludwig (MvdR) an American...

I can see what you mean, however...

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Exuberance in the late 50's indeed! But the import market surged too with smaller sportier cars, and the decidedly anti-exuberant VW Beetle became very popular. Not uncommon to see these on their side in the ditch after attempting a corner at exuberant speed!

I bought into the exuberant culture with a 1959 Dodge 4-door hardtop in two-tone pink. Was a good car IMO, better than my dad's 59 Chev, but when I moved into Seattle I wanted something smaller and sold it. The replacement was a hump-back Volvo 544 in dull OD green, virtually a repudiation of exuberance but not quite as much so as a VW.
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Nice clean El Camino, I don’t see those much any more, especially in that condition. I had an SS396 once. Something else I wish I still had.
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Just after seeing the '59 model (above) I saw a framed advert for the '58 version. It was in a shop behind heap of second-hand stuff, vases etc, and I had to borrow my wife's phone and lean over them to get the picture with reflections and a poor crop. I hope I've managed to correct most of the problems.

It's not my idea of a good looking car, btw.

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WOW!! The fins. I actually find these cars gross and ugly. my GAS at the time was a Triumph TR 3.

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I'm not sure what the point of it was... The transaxle moved weight rearward for better handling balance, and the independent rear suspension should reduce unsprung weight for better handling... but IIRC it had swing axles which due to the camber changes are not much benefit to handling. Could this and the oddball half-V8 motor have been engineering exercises just to be different?
Porshe used it in their 944 if I am not mistaken.

GM tried several innovative designs in the 60's trying to complete with the European imports. Oldsmobile had the aluminum V8, Buick the V6, Pontiac the "iron duke" 4 cyl. Chevrolet had the Corvair. Versions of the aluminum V8 and Buick's V6 are still being used today in a variety of automobiles.
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WOW!! The fins. I actually find these cars gross and ugly. my GAS at the time was a Triumph TR 3.
I had a Triumph TR3. The Ford Falcon of sports cars. It was that crude and easy to work on. Wish I hadn't sold it.
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Porshe used it in their 944 if I am not mistaken.

GM tried several innovative designs in the 60's trying to complete with the European imports. Oldsmobile had the aluminum V8, Buick the V6, Pontiac the "iron duke" 4 cyl. Chevrolet had the Corvair. Versions of the aluminum V8 and Buick's V6 are still being used today in a variety of automobiles.
Buick, Olds, and Pontiac had the aluminum V8. In fact, it was also referred to as the B-O-P V8. Rover, of England, eventually bought the rights to this engine, reworked it somewhat, and used it for a long time.

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Well, since we're on the topic of late-50s tail fins...

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IIRC this was based on something from the USA and appeared here in the early 50's.



The engine was a maid of all work and even powered a tractor...

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Spare tire looks to be in nice shape.
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Oh, that's a very nice Series 3. You can't fake that sort of patina!
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Two gallons of sulfuric acid?
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IIRC this was based on something from the USA and appeared here in the early 50's.



The engine was a maid of all work and even powered a tractor...

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Perhaps based on something like this? Anyone care to guess based on another rear quarter?

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I forgot to mention that the engine used in the Vanguard above was used in the Triumph TR2, the TR3's and the TR4's, as well as in the Ferguson TE20 tractor...


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^^^ 1949 or 1950 Mercury I think... And yes there is a resemblance to David's car... and I do like those venetian blinds
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Yes it is. You have a good eye.
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I don't know about the rest of you but ebay's car section has some superb photo's of very desirable cars in it but I can't afford any of them; especially the Citroen-Maserati I was looking at last night...


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I don't know about the rest of you but ebay's car section has some superb photo's of very desirable cars in it but I can't afford any of them; especially the Citroen-Maserati I was looking at last night...


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I had a Citroen SM for 6 years. Until sorted, a nightmare, but once fitted with modern fuel injection and solid state electronic distributor a thing of utter joy. But only ever one disaster away from bankrupting me, so it got sold last year and returned to its homeland. To me the Maserati engine was a bit of a distraction from what was emphatically the best Citroen ever built.

It did occur to me on numerous occasions that I was the only person on the road not experiencing the glory of its looks!
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I think "utter joy" is the best description of Citroen motoring then; meaning a long, long time ago. My last was the GS1220 and that was scrapped once serious rust had got at it over the years.

I can vouch for its self leveling suspension being almost perfect. I once shredded a tyre and drove on happily until I noticed the road noise had changed...

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The GS was renowned for the quality of its ride even among hydropneumatic Citroens. But not for rustproofing. Others may probably think I'm talking spherical objects rather than spheres, but I remember after getting the right front spheres for my SM and got a replacement control sphere for my XM 2.1 to replace one with a permeable membrane, the sense of absolute rightness about the ride was overwhelming.

Only a Mercedes W124 300 24 valve diesel has ever come close to that ride quality.
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My first impression of a Citroen came at a car show in Westwood CA. There was an SM there and I remember the owner showing how you could change a rear wheel without using a jack. He raised the suspension and then raised just one rear wheel off the ground, all from inside the car. I thought that was pretty cool.
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The wheel changing setting was right at the top of the suspension range on an SM, with 5- parked, drive, mildly off road, off road and wheel change. It was exceptionally useful as a height for cleaning the car.

The only problem with the hydraulics I had was the occasional propensity for it to have a leak and to find the car in a pool of green LHM fluid. The nightmare I avoided was no power at all - it is nigh on impossible to move that car if flat to the floor and no drive!
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That and driving through floods. You can guess that by then I had ceased to worry about rust.

I mentioned the 2CV, our other Citroen was the ID 21 or 19; just can't remember which...

The more practical one I still lust after would be the Dyane but my wife wants a Light 15.

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