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Old 04-29-2016   #201
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Asking out of complete ignorance here, why do you want the shutter cocking mechanism?
Removing the motor eliminates a point of failure, eliminates a burden on battery life, makes shutter-cocking silent, and restores that satisfying feel of moving gears. It also restores a place to hook your thumb when carrying the camera. May sound hopelessly retro to the youngsters, but I also shoot monster DSLRs when all-singing, all-dancing features are needed. I'll take a very dim view, however, if Leica fails to shrink this "M" body. Let's see if they can regain the dimensions of film M before we issue the next demand: digital Barnack.
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Old 04-29-2016   #202
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Seems to me than an LCc display would be pretty valuable for flash photography, but that's probably not the realm of photographers who would use the M-D.
An LCD is useful for many things, but every other digital camera on the market has one... isn't it kind of cool that Leica made something different? I mean, they do have ones with LCDs if you are looking to buy.
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Old 04-29-2016   #203
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I cannot find the info online, but one would hope the camera was meterless or is the photographer stuck with center-weighted metering and no option to switch it off. That would not jive too well with the LCD-free design.
I don't see how the LCD screen and metering are linked.

In my experience properly exposing transparency film is much more difficult than optimizing exposure for sensors. Leica users made great transparency film exposures for decades. Some of them still do.

With raw files, one should be able to push Leica's current M sensors sat least two stops (three would not surprise me one bit) during post production. So the only risk is over exposure of the sensor at base ISO (200?) or clipping the ADC after the shutter closes because ISO was set too high. Otherwise shoot raw, leave ISO at 200 and push the global brightness during post-processing.

Of course JPEG shooter have to get the exposure and, or ISO right, so I think in-camera JPEGs users would be much more dependent on the metering system.
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My understanding of the M-D is that it only shoots DNG, so there is no JPG. The command wheel on the back controls exposure compensation, so to be safe you could dial in - a stop or what is necessary to make sure highlights don't burn.
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I see from the Leica Forum site that the displayless Leica M-D costs a mere 500 Euros more than the basic M for the value added associated with removing the display.
[bash]Basically, this is not an optimized product. If it were, the body would be thinner. So, it really is a case of paying more for less.[/bash]

This does not mean by the way that I think the idea here is bad. I'm all for it and for the choice. The fact is I think they are trying to delay the launch of a completely M film-like digital camera (same dimensions, etc.) as long as possible.

Somehow, that really will be the holy-grail for some of us. So, in another 3 years, Leica maybe will have a new digital M for me to buy. Unfortunately, by then it won't be compatible with Lightroom 4, so I'll just keep using the M8 and scanning. So goes the digital life cycle nowadays.
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The M-D: All the disadvantages of film.

No thanks. I already have an M6.
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It could be that Leica is testing the waters for a more film like digital expereince in future models. First goes the sensor and JPEGs next a better thinner sensor which give us a slimmer body lastly a thumb winder for the shutter recocking. The last item wouild be to charge us for each 36 exposures with a credit card slot on the bottom plate.
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The M-D: All the disadvantages of film.

No thanks. I already have an M6.
Just checked out your website Reuben. Really impressive work.

That comb-over photo in the park is just spectacular!
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Just checked out your website Reuben. Really impressive work.

That comb-over photo in the park is just spectacular!
Agreed, those are some terrific pictures. So good I'll forgive the filmjacking of this thread!
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My understanding of the M-D is that it only shoots DNG, so there is no JPG. The command wheel on the back controls exposure compensation, so to be safe you could dial in - a stop or what is necessary to make sure highlights don't burn.
I shoudl have realized DNG only would be an obvious advantage fot this camera.
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Unfortunately, by then it won't be compatible with Lightroom 4, so I'll just keep using the M8 and scanning. So goes the digital life cycle nowadays.
Don't all new Leicas come with a free, recent version of Lightroom?

What is the problem with using a free, stand-alone version of LR 6?
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To paraphrase Reuben.

M-D: None of the advantages of digital.

No, thanks. I'll keep my M8 and M9.
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How is the battery level indicator designed on the M-D ?
It's in the VF. What is cool is you can download the manual from the Leica site.

The M-D has a big advantage over the M60 in that it still has the ability to add exposure compensation in AE mode. The M60 cannot as it does not have that thumb wheel.
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No useless ten minute video mode. HUZZAH!!!
And there are strap lugs after all: https://en.leica-camera.com/Photogra...ca-M/Leica-M-D
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To paraphrase Reuben.

M-D: None of the advantages of digital.

No, thanks. I'll keep my M8 and M9.
Sometimes I forget how much better our pictures are with all the advantages of digital. Whew!
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Don't all new Leicas come with a free, recent version of Lightroom?

What is the problem with using a free, stand-alone version of LR 6?
Ah! This is assuming that we all go and throw out perfectly good computers for no reason at all!
I happen to have 2 MacPros both running 10.6.8 and still using programs like the first version Adobe CS from 2003. I am stuck at Lightroom 4.
No chance I will upgrade for another 5 years. Good thing all my 6 bit coded lenses are perfectly useable on a film camera.
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[bash]Basically, this is not an optimized product. If it were, the body would be thinner. So, it really is a case of paying more for less.[/bash]

This does not mean by the way that I think the idea here is bad. I'm all for it and for the choice. The fact is I think they are trying to delay the launch of a completely M film-like digital camera (same dimensions, etc.) as long as possible.

Somehow, that really will be the holy-grail for some of us. So, in another 3 years, Leica maybe will have a new digital M for me to buy. Unfortunately, by then it won't be compatible with Lightroom 4, so I'll just keep using the M8 and scanning. So goes the digital life cycle nowadays.
[counterbash] That assumes the LCD protrudes inside the body. It does not. The extra thickness of digital M bodies arises from the sensor array/motherboard. You do not gain space by removing the LCD (except cleaning up the LCD/button bulge on the back)[/counterbash]
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In 2018, Leica will release new camera: Leica M-D with lcd screen added as new feature.


Leica look lost orientation for their product roadmap

I confused with new Leica (digital) name: M (240, 262, M-P, Monochrome)
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In 2018, Leica will release new camera: Leica M-D with lcd screen added as new feature.
It could be a welcome addition, provided the current controls stay in place. For example, an M8 style top plate screen with more functionality and different spec could be nice.

An "M-D with LCD screen", of course, already exists. It's the original M (Typ 262).
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[bash]Basically, this is not an optimized product. If it were, the body would be thinner. So, it really is a case of paying more for less.[/bash]
I'm pretty sure the space may have been used for dampening to make the shutter a lot quieter... the camera is rumored to be very quiet.
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The back of an M-D looks Zen to me. It is as uncluttered as a Zen garden at a temple.
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[counterbash] That assumes the LCD protrudes inside the body. It does not. The extra thickness of digital M bodies arises from the sensor array/motherboard. You do not gain space by removing the LCD (except cleaning up the LCD/button bulge on the back)[/counterbash]
This post should be pinned.

People seem to have forgotten the 27.80 mm flange-focal distance for the M lens mount is the primary determinant of the digital Ms' thickness.

Before the M8 some people speculated a digital M was not viable (would not be accepted) because the body would be too thick.
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Before the M8 some people speculated a digital M was not viable (would not be accepted) because the body would be too thick.
Whenever I have a film-M in my hands nowadays I always think it might slip through my fingers because it's so thin. I don't want the thin M back.
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I'll be saving my money for the monochrom version of the M-D.
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It's in the VF. What is cool is you can download the manual from the Leica site.

The M-D has a big advantage over the M60 in that it still has the ability to add exposure compensation in AE mode. The M60 cannot as it does not have that thumb wheel.
I just read through the M-D manual. Am I correct in thinking the only thing the thumbwheel is used for is EC?
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I just read through the M-D manual. Am I correct in thinking the only thing the thumbwheel is used for is EC?
The second use is to key in the time/date after holding the Fn more than 12s .

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The second use is to key in the time/date after holding the Fn more than 12s .

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They might be overloading that input... lol.
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I bought he MD and I am very happy that Leica answer the need of some of rheir customers ( not all). Jumping between M7 and M240 was sometime too much different process.
This MD will "emulate" the way I am using my M7 with the conveniance of the digital in term of time saved to process.
An other good point of the MD is that photograph start to think about what our menu is use for ( mainly JPG), what is photography, what is my flow, what is exposure....like if you buy a MA.
Thanks Leica to put that strange MD on the market.

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