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View Poll Results: Who will Rescue Nikon?
Government Loan 11 7.01%
Sony 9 5.73%
Panasonic 4 2.55%
Fuji 4 2.55%
Canon 2 1.27%
Olympus 0 0%
Ricoh 4 2.55%
Blackstone (they invested in Leica) or Leica 2 1.27%
Zeiss 0 0%
Chinese camera or lens maker 19 12.10%
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Old 06-22-2017   #121
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Maybe have the pensioners take it over, like Kodak. Nikon lenses are apparently made without any regard for the aesthetics of the formed image other than sharpness and contrast. They might want to rethink that. Bleh.
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I think it is only in major markets that we see all of their different models at once. For instance, in Chile, the Nikon stores don't carry all of the redundant models and mostly have the low end stuff.
So imagine going though the rigamarole of selecting a body from all the options available and then not being able to buy it. Back to the drawing board. Because you can count on the one feature that tipped you over to choosing one model over another not being on the models on the shelf.

I know there is a marketing strategy to having ten models instead of three; though some psychological mechanism a consumer will supposedly end up spending a little more than he would have if only three models were available, but it only makes sense to the bean counters who probably don't include sales lost to confusion in their calculation.
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I can't tell the difference between a Canon Rebel xs and any other Canon, personally. Weight?
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Maybe have the pensioners take it over, like Kodak. Nikon lenses are apparently made without any regard for the aesthetics of the formed image other than sharpness and contrast. They might want to rethink that. Bleh.
The recent Nikon 58 1.4G proves otherwise.
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A 58mm lens is something I can't remember ever enjoying the use of. Does it still have good ol Nikon Longitudinal Chromatic Abberation? Is it Green from cheap glass on top of that? Lobster skin tones too? No thank you.

edit: I do so love it when the foreground has a magenta cast, and the backround has a green one.

https://www.cameralabs.com/nikon_nik..._58mm_f1-4g/2/
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.... Nikon lenses are apparently made without any regard for the aesthetics of the formed image other than sharpness and contrast. They might want to rethink that. Bleh.
And yet....

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A 58mm lens is something I can't remember ever enjoying the use of. Does it still have good ol Nikon Longitudinal Chromatic Abberation? Is it Green from cheap glass on top of that? Lobster skin tones too? No thank you.

edit: I do so love it when the foreground has a magenta cast, and the backround has a green one.

https://www.cameralabs.com/nikon_nik..._58mm_f1-4g/2/


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A 58mm lens is something I can't remember ever enjoying the use of. Does it still have good ol Nikon Longitudinal Chromatic Abberation? Is it Green from cheap glass on top of that? Lobster skin tones too? No thank you.

edit: I do so love it when the foreground has a magenta cast, and the backround has a green one.

https://www.cameralabs.com/nikon_nik..._58mm_f1-4g/2/
And yet some photographers have captured stunning images with Nikon lenses:

https://i0.wp.com/www.casualphotophi...50%2C600&ssl=1
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I have no use for it, anyway. Nikon's been riding on their name, rather than their lenses for years now. That pic is 50 years old, buddy. How about a 50mm f2 Sonnar copy? Wouldn't that be nicer than that 58mm hood ornament?

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I have no use for it, anyway. Nikon's been riding on their name, rather than their lenses for years now. That pic is 50 years old, buddy. How about a 50mm f2 Sonnar copy? Wouldn't that be nicer than that 58mm hood ornament?
I'm not your buddy, you pompous ass. Here, why don't you critique Joe McNally's photos.

http://portfolio.joemcnally.com/index
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I'm not your buddy, you pompous ass. Here, why don't you critique Joe McNally's photos.

http://portfolio.joemcnally.com/index
Oh babydoll, don't get your feelings hurt. I'm critiquing Nikon, not random dude.
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So imagine going though the rigamarole of selecting a body from all the options available and then not being able to buy it. Back to the drawing board. Because you can count on the one feature that tipped you over to choosing one model over another not being on the models on the shelf.

I know there is a marketing strategy to having ten models instead of three; though some psychological mechanism a consumer will supposedly end up spending a little more than he would have if only three models were available, but it only makes sense to the bean counters who probably don't include sales lost to confusion in their calculation.
Yeah, understood, but it isn't that hard either. If you are not into figuring what to buy, you most likely should buy a cheap model. If you are into photography more, you know what you need. I don't see a huge problem with the line-up to be honest. Most people have a price point and they see what they can buy at that price point.
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Oh babydoll, don't get your feelings hurt. I'm critiquing Nikon, not random dude.
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I'm not your buddy, you pompous ass. Here, why don't you critique Joe McNally's photos.

http://portfolio.joemcnally.com/index

You're dealing with a provocative jackass.
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Leave the bait alone
They could maybe copy this and get rid of that olive oil colored 1.8 they've been flogging for the last 30 years. Probably a good move.

http://blog.bkspicture.com/review_SM...M_50mm_f2.html
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They could maybe copy this and get rid of that olive oil colored 1.8 they've been flogging for the last 30 years. Probably a good move.

http://blog.bkspicture.com/review_SM...M_50mm_f2.html
What do you mean by olive oil coloured, and are you talking about the 50 1.8G?
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I think Ranchu is being funny and honest. Never liked Nikon glass myself. Prefer Zeiss/Leica or Pentax, Canon, Minolta... Of course people that are invested in Nikon will never admit that there are better options. Just human nature.

I wouldn't call it a big loss if Nikon went under. I pretty much expect two or three manufacturers to call it quits in the next few years. You can see it coming.

And Ranchu isn't a pompous Jackass for pointing out what the truth is....
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I think Ranchu is being funny and honest. Never liked Nikon glass myself. Prefer Zeiss/Leica or Pentax, Canon, Minolta... Of course people that are invested in Nikon will never admit that there are better options. Just human nature.
I'm not invested in Nikon glass, I have Leica, Zeiss, CV, Minolta, Mamiya, Fuji etc as well.
Even Russian stuff and Lomo!

I'm just wondering what he means by 'olive oil', as I find the 50 1.8G to be a wonderful performer for very cheap money for AF bodies. $100 used like new condition.

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I find it interesting that with all these claims of crappy Nikon glass, Nikon has been the professional photographer's main stay for decades. Perhaps someone should have told them?
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Who uses the lenses doesn't change their properties, as if by some great marketing magic.

What I say is that Nikon has produced lenses forever with no consideration of their aesthetic properties beyond sharpness and contrast. Maybe they figured out the bokeh thing might sell them a 58mm lens recently, ok. The 50mm 1.4 AF-S was good imo, except for the green sludge in the bokeh. I was referring to the ai-s and af-d 1.8's but 1st pic is exactly what I mean by olive oil colored, second ok. Third the woman's skintone, particularly at her hairline is looking lobster colored. I think both these pics would look better, and have color that was easier to deal with, had you taken them with the 50mm f1.4 AF-S.
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I think both these pics would look better, and have color that was easier to deal with, had you taken them with the 50mm f1.4 AF-S.
By 50mm f1.4 AF-S do you mean the recent G version? Is there a good comparison of how it has improved on the D version? Thanks!
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Yes, the G. I haven't used the AF-D version, so I can't compare them.
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Yes, the G. I haven't used the AF-D version, so I can't compare them.
This seems like a comprehensive comparison of all the recent variations of the f1.8 and f1.4 Nikkor 50s if anyone is interested. Minimal all around difference and the benefits likely be trivial in actual practice. YMMV. http://photopixreview.com/50mm-1-8d-...-1-4d-vs-1-4g/
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Gotta disagree with that, he tested a lot of flare, some bokeh, and the backlit portrait has varying fill (fill?). Seems like a pretty limited test regime. I think the 1.4 G is good.

https://photographylife.com/reviews/nikon-50mm-f1-4g

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but 1st pic is exactly what I mean by olive oil colored.

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Ok, dude. Your portraits are lovely, whatever the case.



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I think the 1.4 G is good.
Should have clarified. The 1.8G is definitely an upgrade on the 1.8D which really is doing lens cap duty given the price. I was hard pressed to see a big upgrade on the 1.4G over the 1.4D though. Still I am sure the IQ is better, even if the build quality seems to have regressed.

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The main reason I bought the 1.4G is that I was using an F100 at the time, and the 1.8 AF-D I had made such crazy chattering noises on my face from the AF. The AF-S motor was pretty sweet.
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Yeah it appears the silent wave motor is silent. That is definitely a plus. I think back to my last foray into dSLR land and the 50/1.8D and can't recall if I cared for the AF noise. Mostly because I had no appreciation for quiet operation!
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My 50/1.8 AF-D AF was clunky – similar to the Fujinon 35/1.4 XF lens except much louder.
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I loved my 50mm 1.8d on the Df. Miss that combo.
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Ok, dude. Your portraits are lovely, whatever the case.



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The main reason I bought the 1.4G is that I was using an F100 at the time, and the 1.8 AF-D I had made such crazy chattering noises on my face from the AF. The AF-S motor was pretty sweet.
I use the 1.8G on my F100 and it works perfectly. Very quiet, focuses quickly and surely. I liked it so much I bought a second that I can use on my F6 or D750 at the same time.
Buy these things used - they are available at about $100-$125. Which is what Zeiss charges for a lens hood!! Imagine that, a whole AF lens (with lens hood!) for the price of a lens hood.
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Speaking of the 58 1.4G, the problem I have with it is the price. The 1.8G is $220 new while the 1.4 is $1600. Sure the 1.4 is a little faster, and has a bit more glass. But the build quality is essentially the same - plastic. And the QC is the same with many people having to return lenses until they get one that focuses properly.
Nikon supposedly said that the 58 1.4 has a huge mark up just because they want it to appear to be a premium product. And premium products are expensive.
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Nikon supposedly said that the 58 1.4 has a huge mark up just because they want it to appear to be a premium product. And premium products are expensive.
At that price point, the Voigtlander 58/1.4 in F mount is likely a better bet. If you don't need AF.
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Some news about Nikon's own plans for the future (link):
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"The difference from our past strategies is that we will offer not only products, but also ideas and solutions as well," says Ushida. "Nikon will be reborn as a solution company providing superior technologies and ideas, holding 'light' as our core competency."
Personally am having doubts would this work for Nikon, hope they keep products in main focus.
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Nikon Just Saved Itself

the D850

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Well only if this one doesn't crash and burn like the D750!
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750 burn?

Not as well Samsung Note 7!!!

Now that burned up the market, and the pockets, and the ......

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As reported by Nikkei's Asian Review, Canon is doing very well: https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Com...earnings-rally "Digital cameras and multifunction devices, which drove much of the growth, "fulfilled their duties thoroughly," said Chairman and CEO Fujio Mitarai".
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"Healthy sales of mirrorless cameras propelled Canon to a 22% operating profit gain in a segment that had been on an uninterrupted decline."

C'mon Nikon...
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