Go Back   Rangefinderforum.com > Cameras / Gear / Photography > Classic Film RangeFinders & Other Classics > 120 / 220 film RF's

120 / 220 film RF's 120 / 220 format rangefinders including Fuji, Koni-Omega, Mamiya Press, Linhof 6x7/6x9 cameras, Mamiya 6/7 among others, but excluding the 120 folders and the Voigtlander 667 cameras that have their own forums.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes

Mamiya 6 from Japanese sellers [Mint+++extaWOW++++Deluxe++]
Old 4 Weeks Ago   #1
froyd
Registered User
 
froyd's Avatar
 
froyd is offline
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 2,134
Mamiya 6 from Japanese sellers [Mint+++extaWOW++++Deluxe++]

If you ever looked for film cameras on eBay you know the sellers I'm talking about: detailed product images, good looking gear, and the infamous MINT++++ rating system.

Due to lack of other sources I think they might be where I end up getting a Mamiya 6 kit in the near(ish) future.

Any experiences dealing with these folks? Particularly interested in those that involve a Mamiya 6 or 7 purchase. Is there an A+++++ seller among this lot?
  Reply With Quote

Old 4 Weeks Ago   #2
jonmanjiro
Moderator
 
jonmanjiro's Avatar
 
jonmanjiro is offline
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Yokohama
Posts: 5,335
All those + symbols remind me of the ♪ & ♫ musical note symbols some Yahoo Japan auctions sellers use. It seems to be a pretty good indication of a less than scrupulous seller. I'd steer well clear.
__________________
flickr
Instagram
  Reply With Quote

Old 4 Weeks Ago   #3
trisberg
Registered User
 
trisberg's Avatar
 
trisberg is offline
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 56
I'd avoid the MINT++++ listings and look for some more serious ones. I did buy a Contax TVSii from "ritz*teikyo" on ebay that was listed as "EXCELLENT+" and it truly was. I didn't see a Mamiya 6 in their store, but this would be the kind of seller I would look for. Someone that doesn't hype their products, provide decent descriptions and pictures as well as highlighting any issues, plus providing a decent return policy.

-Thomas
  Reply With Quote

Old 4 Weeks Ago   #4
Beemermark
Registered User
 
Beemermark's Avatar
 
Beemermark is offline
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Wilmington, NC
Posts: 1,761
The ones that really get my goat are the ones that cannibalize decent cameras to sell the parts separately, for example Nikon F2/3/4/5 without finders, back doors, etc. In excellent working condition. How will you know they are working until you buy all the other parts? Does anyone actually buy these cameras. Now I see Nikon F100 back doors selling for the same price as a complete body.
  Reply With Quote

Old 4 Weeks Ago   #5
wjlapier
Registered User
 
wjlapier's Avatar
 
wjlapier is offline
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 1,722
I buy from Japan often. If they don't have large detailed photos I move on. I also contact the seller and ask questions about anything that isn't listed in their description. Out of all my purchases maybe two weren't great--and both sellers were very apologetic and refunded my money immediately.
  Reply With Quote

Old 4 Weeks Ago   #6
Huss
Registered User
 
Huss is offline
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Venice, CA
Posts: 8,053
I actually was looking for an original Mamiya 6 (not the modern ones) but gave up because apparently having fungus in the lens does not stop Japanese sellers on ebay from describing it as Mint.
  Reply With Quote

Old 4 Weeks Ago   #7
aizan
Registered User
 
aizan's Avatar
 
aizan is offline
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Torrance, CA
Age: 37
Posts: 4,667
At this point, I'd only buy cameras on Jauce. You'll still see some duplicate postings from eBay, but most of the sellers are actual individuals rather than the group of "buy up everything and raise the prices beyond market prices" sellers that have taken over eBay.
__________________
Ugly Cameras
  Reply With Quote

Old 4 Weeks Ago   #8
CharlesDAMorgan
Registered User
 
CharlesDAMorgan is offline
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Plymouth, UK
Posts: 1,131
Quote:
Originally Posted by aizan View Post
"buy up everything and raise the prices beyond market prices" sellers that have taken over eBay.
I've been having a big de-clutter on Ebay and some of the prices are bonkers. But when I price it sensibly private bidders (I only do buy it now with offers) bid ridiculous figures and the stuff all gets sold to dealers, who then mark it up not a lot and put it for sale on their websites. In the rarest of circumstances you do sell to a private and, post it same day with a new battery in or give them a film, they don't give you any feedback at all.

As to those who renege because their car has just got a fault...

Returning to the subject, of the four things I've bought from Japan (none Peppermint Spearmint Mint but merely Excellent ++++), three were better than described and one wasn't. I have no issue at all buying there, so much stuff is available compared to here.
__________________
De-gassing progress:

Leica M2, Nikon D700, Bronica RF645, Leica CL, Summicron 40mm, Rolleicord Va, Hasselblad 500 CM Zeiss Planar, Leica 50mm Summicron V3 - all gone.
  Reply With Quote

Old 4 Weeks Ago   #9
DanskDynamit
Registered User
 
DanskDynamit's Avatar
 
DanskDynamit is offline
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 440
At this point I'm only buying gear within the EU, eBay's got so dodgy lately that I had to return items often because of those wrong "A++++++" descriptions.
__________________
DanskDynamit
  Reply With Quote

Old 4 Weeks Ago   #10
Prest_400
Multiformat
 
Prest_400's Avatar
 
Prest_400 is offline
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Sweden/Spain
Posts: 926
John Sypal of tokyoamerastyle said that the times of buying gear in Japan that was excellent and cheap are gone, nowadays it's about average.
I know there was a well reputed seller that had lots of MF and LF gear, I forgot their username. Astro something 22, couldn't get a lead; they might have gone out of business.
  Reply With Quote

Old 4 Weeks Ago   #11
Saul
fighting inertia
 
Saul's Avatar
 
Saul is offline
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Baltimore MD
Posts: 492
For US based buyers purchasing equipment from overseas, are you paying any customs charges? If so, do you know before the sale what that charge is going to be?
  Reply With Quote

Old 4 Weeks Ago   #12
B-9
Devin Bro
 
B-9's Avatar
 
B-9 is offline
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Michigan
Posts: 2,327
Never paid customs in the US.

The bigger trouble is the fact your package will be stuck at ISC for weeks being tossed around the facility until someone notices it under their coffe cup one morning and decides to send her down the road.
__________________
Made in Michigan

RangefinderGuy @ Instagram
  Reply With Quote

Old 4 Weeks Ago   #13
Deardorff38
Registered User
 
Deardorff38's Avatar
 
Deardorff38 is offline
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 847
I've ordered items from Japan and had them show up at my door in Canmore Alberta in 4 days!....no extra charges. On average it is always quicker than shipments from eastern Canada and certainly from the USA.
  Reply With Quote

Old 4 Weeks Ago   #14
Oren Grad
Registered User
 
Oren Grad is offline
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 278
Quote:
Originally Posted by Prest_400 View Post
I know there was a well reputed seller that had lots of MF and LF gear, I forgot their username. Astro something 22, couldn't get a lead; they might have gone out of business.
It's astrosmith22 - his actual name is Toshimichi Sakai - and he's very much still in business. I've bought a few items from him over the years, most recently about four weeks ago, and every one of those transactions has gone well.
  Reply With Quote

Old 4 Weeks Ago   #15
SlappyPeterson
Registered User
 
SlappyPeterson's Avatar
 
SlappyPeterson is offline
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Madison, WI
Posts: 48
I bought a Mamiya RB67 off ebay from a seller in Japan just a few weeks ago. It showed up on my doorstep in Madison, WI in like 5 days. I was shocked. The seller's name is zonocamerajapan.

It was also in immaculate condition. I'd go that route again in a heartbeat.
  Reply With Quote

Old 4 Weeks Ago   #16
BWF
Registered User
 
BWF is offline
Join Date: Oct 2019
Posts: 4
Quote:
Originally Posted by wjlapier View Post
I buy from Japan often. If they don't have large detailed photos I move on. I also contact the seller and ask questions about anything that isn't listed in their description. Out of all my purchases maybe two weren't great--and both sellers were very apologetic and refunded my money immediately.
I second this. I have bought a lot of cameras and lenses from Japan and all but a few were better than expected. The ones that were bad were immediately taken as returns. I do not look at any listing that says "Excellent" or "Very Good," no matter how many plus signs there are. I think they are equivalent to KEH "bargain."

MAP Camera is obviously very good. Irohas Camera is also great. You can also go through Japan Camera Hunter who charges a finder fee, but he will look it over before it gets sent to you and make sure all is well. Perhaps worth it for a Mamiya 6.
  Reply With Quote

Old 3 Weeks Ago   #17
Oren Grad
Registered User
 
Oren Grad is offline
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 278
One thing about astrosmith22 is that he doesn't play the silly "EXC+++++++++++" game. If anything, he's almost painfully candid about the blemishes on the equipment he sells. A couple of samples from among his current listings:

Every knobs and range finder works fine. The edges of the bellows gets brownish and heavy coating removals
on the metal part of the front standard.
The camera is totally dirty and it is better to clean up.
No body number can be found on the body.


Every knobs and locks work fine. The bellows has folding wrinkles like photos. The seal on the back is gone.
The focusing hood is missing.
Cosmetically it has blots and scratches on the body and on the glass.


After reading a few of those you end up almost not wanting to buy anything, but on the other hand you have more confidence that you know what you'll be getting, warts and all.
  Reply With Quote

Old 3 Weeks Ago   #18
james.liam
Registered User
 
james.liam is offline
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Nieuw Amsterdam
Posts: 345
Quote:
Originally Posted by Saul View Post
For US based buyers purchasing equipment from overseas, are you paying any customs charges? If so, do you know before the sale what that charge is going to be?
$2000 is the cutoff below which no customs ar paid. But eBay drags taxes out of you even if purchased overseas. Doesn't seem right.
  Reply With Quote

Old 3 Weeks Ago   #19
Huss
Registered User
 
Huss is offline
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Venice, CA
Posts: 8,053
Quote:
Originally Posted by Saul View Post
For US based buyers purchasing equipment from overseas, are you paying any customs charges? If so, do you know before the sale what that charge is going to be?
ebay is now charging tax but not customs
  Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 15:35.


vBulletin skin developed by: eXtremepixels
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

All content on this site is Copyright Protected and owned by its respective owner. You may link to content on this site but you may not reproduce any of it in whole or part without written consent from its owner.