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Old 01-03-2019   #81
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Regarding M mount lenses and others, just about anything is possible with the correct adaptor. I think of manual focus lenses on the CL as a bit of fun. Best by far to use native lenses. Whilst the argument over crop factor goes against wide angle lenses, it works in favour of longer focal lengths. My 200/4 OM makes a very handy 300/4 at negligible cost.

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Plus one. Longer lenses do very well. In my case a Noct-Nikkor and 50 Lux-R make truly great short fast telephotos. The crop factor utilizes only the sweet spot for high IQ.

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Also no internal stabilisation - which should make using MF lenses more difficult.
No Phase Detect and dust clean, either. While dust clean is available for ten+ years already.
So, CL does feel like true Leica, because it is hard to image any other manufacturing without sensor dust clean. I mean, regular cameras manufacturer.

Dust bunnies is Leica sensor unique signature. It is so M-E. Joy of M lenses at its poor experience. Oh, wait M-E has shutter in front of the sensor. CL - full dust exposťes.

On the positive note, I opened BH mirrorless page sorted from rich to just working.
Here is how first pages top $$$$ cameras looks like:

M10 - nice.
Sony something - ugly.
M240 - nice.
Sony something - ugly.
Panasonic something - ugly.
Sony something - ugly.
Fuji something - ugly.
CL - so cute.

CL is for Cute Leica.




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Old 01-03-2019   #83
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Leica M is what makes a Leica. The rest are just expensive cameras.

Mirrorless should be tried b/4 buying. There is a refresh lag between what the lens sees and eyepiece which is very difficult to me. Ok for landscape and subjects that do not move, well sort of, but impossible to time sports or dance shots. That is why they fire off 10 frames trying to get one good.
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Dust bunnies is Leica sensor unique signature.
I get pretty much the same amount of dust bunnies on Leica and Sony despite the latter having a bunny shaker. Still, it's a feature that is sometimes actually useful, and Leica definitely should try to find a way to adopt it this century.
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How do you find the 35TL? It looks like a gorgeous lens, but somewhat on the bulky side. I'm intrigued, but since I'm used to my X100F and G2, a lens that size seems like it would make the camera more of a pain to carry, and less stealthy when I'm taking candids.
The 35 TL Summilux is not a whole lot bigger than the 18-56 so itís not difficult to get used to.
The lens rendering is very neutral wide open, which where I use it 90% of be time.
Bokeh is smooth both in front of and behind the plane of focus.
CA around bright light sources seems fully corrected.

However, I do still prefer the M 28mm/2 for angle of view and size when walking about town, so my 35TL usage has mostly been indoors.
The 18-56 Iíve found ideal when hillwalking or for grab shots from the car when pulled over by the side of the road.
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The CL with a 28 Cron-M is a 42mm. Two clicks on the right dial and I get the magnification I need to focus fast and accurately. At tap on the shutter and I get full framing.

Rigged with a 28 Cron it is very much like a film CL with a 40 Cron. Also is sized like a LTM IMHO.

What makes the CL a great camera is that it is fun and easy to use.

BTW the 28 Cron with the limited scalloped metal hood looks evil on the CL.

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Yes great lens, seeing more use on the CL than it did on the M.
With the CL EVF/LCD seeing flare is easy, so I go for compact and do not use a hood instead use my hand as a shade when needed.
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...CL is for Cute Leica.
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Yes great lens, seeing more use on the CL than it did on the M.
With the CL EVF/LCD seeing flare is easy, so I go for compact and do not use a hood instead use my hand as a shade when needed.
A 42 WOULD be awfully close to the 45 AOV I love so much on my Contax G2. Sounds like a great day-to-day shooting lens.
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Anyone that would need image stabilization on a camera that can shoot at iso 12000 must have some crazy shakes.
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Anyone that would need image stabilization on a camera that can shoot at iso 12000 must have some crazy shakes.
I believe what cameras with similar 400 and 12800 ISO do not exist.
I'd rather use IBIS or IS, f8 , not amplified, low ISO and hint of flash to balance 1/30 with ambient light.
A'm this shaky?
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A 42 WOULD be awfully close to the 45 AOV I love so much on my Contax G2. Sounds like a great day-to-day shooting lens.
The Contax/Zeiss 45mm Planar G is further from 42mm than would appear going by the nominal focal length, as it's actually more like 47mm according to the specs...

Focal length: 46.9mm
Angle of View 50 Degrees
Elements/Groups 6/4
Dimensions 56 x 38.5mm (2.2 x 1.52 in)
Film-to-flange distance 29mm
Weight 190g (6.7 oz)
Filter Size 46mm
f/Stop Range 2.0 to 16
Minimum Focus Distance 0.5m (1.7 ft, 20 in)
Specs show abt 1% barrel distortion.
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Is the difference between 42-45-47 even a full step forward or back?
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This thread might point to the unmet demand for a full frame M-mount camera with a rangefinder-style EVF. Beside the mechanical simplicity, it would probably sell in greater volume and cost less as a result.
Yes, agree. I use a CL because there isnít a sufficiently compact full frame EVF M camera for my needs.
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Is the difference between 42-45-47 even a full step forward or back?
To me, the 42mm is closer to a 40mm, and the 47mm is closer to 50mm. With that said, a 40mm feels like a tight 35mm. I prefer 50mm and am very sensitive to focal lengths due to perspective changes between a 40 and a 50mm.
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Yes, agree. I use a CL because there isnít a sufficiently compact full frame EVF M camera for my needs.
Hello Mike ...

Sort of the same here. And for me it is not a bad replacement for the Q. the 2/23 focuses fast enough. Other lenses are happily adaptable and the package is small, when used with MF lenses of reasonable size.
With respective adapter it is a nice companion to a film camera, if the crop factor is not killing it.
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Hello Mike ...

Sort of the same here. And for me it is not a bad replacement for the Q. the 2/23 focuses fast enough. Other lenses are happily adaptable and the package is small, when used with MF lenses of reasonable size.
With respective adapter it is a nice companion to a film camera, if the crop factor is not killing it.
Thanks again for the lovely lens!

Fine recap of the CLís utility. Similarly pleased with mine, happy to pay the Leica premium for a body that plays better than other makersí crop mirrorless alternatives because the CL plays so much better with M glass.
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"Does the digital CL feel like a "real" Leica?"

No it does not. The real Leica is a Leica II and that feels totally different.
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"Does the digital CL feel like a "real" Leica?"

No it does not. The real Leica is a Leica II and that feels totally different.
I would hope that the CL doesn't feel like a camera released in the 1930s!
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I would hope that the CL doesn't feel like a camera released in the 1930s!
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It has for me the screwmount compactness over a M-body.

I think with a 28 Cron-M it is really close to being like the original film CL.

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I think with a 28 Cron-M it is really close to being like the original film CL.
Except that the Leica film CL didn't have 28mm frame lines, just 40, 50 and 90.
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Except that the Leica film CL didn't have 28mm frame lines, just 40, 50 and 90.
Of course, the digital CL doesn't need or use frame lines at all. What Cal was getting at is that the digital CL fitted with a compact 28mm lens presents just about the same FoV and is about the same physical size and weight as the film CL.

So much palaver over this. Sheesh. It's a nice, sensibly sized camera with a quality feel, with good controls, and it is well optimized to use with a huge range of new and existing Leica lenses of three different types: TL-, R-, and M-mount. It produces a 24 Mpixel image with outstanding color, dynamic range, and acutance. Because of the excellent TTL viewfinder, it can be configured to do a much wider, more versatile range of things than any rangefinder camera can approach. And it has the same quality feel as other Leica cameras. It is NOT an M, a film CL, an S, an R, or an SL camera. It's not a T, TL, or TL2 either ... different control design. And it has interchangeable lenses so it's not a Q, X, or any other fixed lens camera either.

What's not to like? If you don't like it, don't buy it: move on. Whatever.

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Thanks. I could not have said it better. Amazes me when someone disses a camera
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... If I mount a manual focus lens on it, will it feel like a "real" Leica? Will buying into a CL system mean that I am missing out on what makes a Leica special? ...

... If you had to start buying Leica TODAY, ...?

Other points, just in case they come up:
* The M9 feels like a risky buy if I want to develop my own color-processing style, the M240 is too bulky for my taste, ...
It really depends on your perception of what makes a Leica "special".

If I were entering the Leica world today, I'd be shopping for a clean M9 with a factory replaced sensor. The color renderings I got from my M9 were far superior to those from my M-P 240.

And FWIW, the dimensions (height and width) on an M240 are identical to that of an M9.
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But the M240 is a full 0.5 mm thicker than the M9. Enough to start an Internet myth, it appears.
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But the M240 is a full 0.5 mm thicker than the M9. Enough to start an Internet myth, it appears.
That 0.5 mm is the small thumb bump on the back of the camera which has a dial in it.

Otherwise the dimensions of an M240 are identcal to that of an M9.

However, the M240 is about 90 grams heavier - just in case you want to go there.
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0,5 mm? The bump is a bit more than that... :lpl:

half a millimeter is the actual thickness difference
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half a mm is a lot...to the sensitive...person...lol..
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0,5 mm? The bump is a bit more than that... :lpl:

half a millimeter is the actual thickness difference
I've held them side-by side - it's the thumb bump.

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