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Old 10-23-2019   #1
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xpro2 (used or new) or xpro3?

there seems to be a fire sale happening at my local pro shop on open box and new xpro2 bodies...

has me thinking...
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I already have an X-Pro2 and thoroughly enjoy using it.

If it was a bargain Iíd love to get my hands on a new-in-box Graphite X-Pro2 set.

Iím 99% definitely getting the new X-Pro3. The 1% hesitation is that I want to hold one in my hand and play with it before going all in and plunking down the cash.

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I'm waiting for some in-depth reviews of the XP3 (I currently own the XP1). If the dynamic range of the XP3 is significantly better than the XP2, I'll be REALLY interested. If not, I'll be SORT OF interested, as I do like the anti-chimp/LCD protection/retro look rear screeen.
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Old 10-23-2019   #4
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I have not gotten a warm fuzzy feeling for the X-Pro3 based on the information available online. However, I absolutely love using the X-Pro2 and I still like using the X-Pro1 despite the quirks. I have three XP2 bodies right now, all of them bought used or as open box specials. If the X-Pro design appeals to someone and they don't want or need the features of the "3", they should be well pleased with the XP2. Personally, I would buy an XP2 again rather than the new model that seems gimmicky to me.
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doesnt the xp3 have better af, vf and sensor than the xp2?
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Like the XT3 vs. XT2, I wonder if the XPro3 is made in China vs. Japan. Truthfully, not sure it mattered in the case of XT3 (I have XT2, and do not feel compelled to upgrade- if I do it might be to get an XPro3/2 as a second body).
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doesnt the xp3 have better af, vf and sensor than the xp2?
There are some improvements in the sensor (26 MP vs. 24), but not huge. I think processing power is significantly more (like the XT3).
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doesnt the xp3 have better af, vf and sensor than the xp2?
Considering that the XP bodies never were designed for fast action sports-type shooting, how much better AF does one really need? The viewfinder was supposed to be an improvement but the OVF portion of the hybrid has been reduced in utility by no longer having choices of magnification. And sensor-wise, so what. Image quality is outstanding on the XP2 and beyond the needs of the online poster already. Overall, yep there are improvements in the technology of the new camera but there are so many steps backwards in the design ergonomics it now seem less usable to me than the original XP1 which had numerous design quirks.
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doesnt the xp3 have better af, vf and sensor than the xp2?
It depends. Better sensor... not really. I actually prefer the 24mp version. Better AF... definitely. Better VF... depends on what your needs are.
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I just watched one of the early youtube videos about the xp3. I think it was the one by the "Fuji Guys". They mentioned that the EVF technology has been redone and is much better than any of the earlier Fuji cameras. Sorry, don't have the new specs at hand at the moment.
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I also saw that multi-exposure allows up to 9 combined images and the density of each exposure is customizable. Cool. And I'd like to try the tintable B&W... also cool.
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Considering that the XP bodies never were designed for fast action sports-type shooting, how much better AF does one really need? The viewfinder was supposed to be an improvement but the OVF portion of the hybrid has been reduced in utility by no longer having choices of magnification. And sensor-wise, so what. Image quality is outstanding on the XP2 and beyond the needs of the online poster already. Overall, yep there are improvements in the technology of the new camera but there are so many steps backwards in the design ergonomics it now seem less usable to me than the original XP1 which had numerous design quirks.
There are a ton of reviews on youtube right now. Most are saying the AF improvements seem to be in low light and tracking while in AF-C mode.
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Waiting to hear--

Friend says he is holding off because of no 18mm frame line-- which is enough for him as it is his favorite lens-- he is a very serious shooter-- so this is a FYI?

I have not seen enough information to consider for myself -- and I am not getting out enough to consider --- just one more piece of spaghetti against the wall?

Regards, -- watching to see what youse guys find out.
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I have an x-t3 and bought a second hand x-pro2 graphite as I've always wanted that model but it's been expensive until now. Compared to the x-t3 it's a very poor camera. Slower af that I really noticed, squishy buttons, it's weighted oddly because it's longer than the xt3 and the grip is poor compared, plus height wise nearly the same. Even the see through viewfinder I wasn't impressed with. If the x-pro3 is like the x-t3 then get that. I was really really disappointed with the x-pro2 and I know people use them and love them.
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This is a hard decision. $800 vs. $1800 + ... I`ve used the X-Pro2 for 4 years, so I`m ready for the X-Pro3. The -6EV AF is something I will like. I would say it really depends on which lenses you plan to use. Older, slower lenses will certainly perform better on the X-Pro3. However, the newer, faster AF lenses already do well on the X-Pro2.
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for the xpro3 canadian prices are a killer...
2700 for dura finishes and 2400 for black...
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This is a hard decision. $800 vs. $1800 + ... I`ve used the X-Pro2 for 4 years, so I`m ready for the X-Pro3. The -6EV AF is something I will like. I would say it really depends on which lenses you plan to use. Older, slower lenses will certainly perform better on the X-Pro3. However, the newer, faster AF lenses already do well on the X-Pro2.
I use the 35mm 1.4 so may be another reason why the autofocus was so slow on the x-pro2
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I use the 35mm 1.4 so may be another reason why the autofocus was so slow on the x-pro2
I think the 35mm 1.4 and 56mm 1.2 focus pretty well on the 24mp bodies these days. Should be perfect on the X-Pro3.
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Yeah, this is a huge issue for many people. Having no frame lines for a lens like the 18mm wide angle is pretty lame. That's a common focal length and one that many use the OVF for. A very common street photography focal length which is exactly where the OVF shines. Fuji sure made a strange design decision there.
They decided that the EVF upgrade was more important. They did their research and more people use the EVF. Also, the 23mm lens in more popular than the 18mm. I know you guys want to act like you know Fujiís users better than Fuji, but... you donít.
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I attended the Photo EXPO that Kenmore Camera in Seattle hosted today. I went right to the Fuji table where I had hands-on with the X Pro 3 in Titanium and Plain-Jane Black. The X Pro 3 is very nice (I preferred the black one) and the joystick did well enabling me to get through menu choices. The finder is very nice but I didn't try an 18mm lens. The LCD screen is also very nicely done. I am an unabashed chimp when I want to be so it is not for me. I would love at some point to go out with a Leica M-D and no possibility of chimping. I have no doubt I would get on just fine as I did with the Film M cameras.

Suffice to say I will happily stay with my X Pro 2.

On another note I really enjoyed the GFX 50R with 50mm f 2.8 lens. With big discounts I was tempted but probably more camera I need.

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Considering that the XP bodies never were designed for fast action sports-type shooting, how much better AF does one really need?
XP2 can shoot sports easily when setup right.

These were AF tests using the 55-200 with early XP2 firmware and it got quicker later on. https://flic.kr/s/aHsksnCDMp

The 100-400 was noticeably faster focusing too.

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I use the 35mm 1.4 so may be another reason why the autofocus was so slow on the x-pro2
In regular light there is no much difference between the 35 1.4 and the f2 if you are using the single point focus area.

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In regular light there is no much difference between the 35 1.4 and the f2 if you are using the single point focus area.

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I have to agree. When the X-Pro2 just came out there was a larger difference, but firmware updates have helped. I think what happens to people is that the AF of the 1.4 is clunkier... you feel it grab hold of focus, and it makes noise, etc. It gives the feeling of being worse than the F2 (which is one of the fastest Fuji lenses)... But the 1.4 is no longer slow.
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They decided that the EVF upgrade was more important. They did their research and more people use the EVF. Also, the 23mm lens in more popular than the 18mm. I know you guys want to act like you know Fujiís users better than Fuji, but... you donít.
Lovely, a popularity contest, they did a survey--
My colleague more likely has many more published works than perhaps all the folks who use the EVF-- I knew him when he was carrying three M6 bodies shooting in the streets-- and he is working on the next book.

Somehow I respect his opinion.

Was the change made to save a few pennies?-- or for some practical reason?-- I also prefer the OVF -- just the way some of us work--

I suppose next they will find a survey that says more folks use the screen on the back to compose, so drop the view finder- then it can be dropped entirely from this "Rangefinder Forum"?
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Lovely, a popularity contest, they did a survey--
My colleague more likely has many more published works than perhaps all the folks who use the EVF-- I knew him when he was carrying three M6 bodies shooting in the streets-- and he is working on the next book.
I`m sorry I offended you with this. I`m just saying what I heard and honestly it makes sense. The OVF is still there, but EVFs are becoming more and more popular. I`m happy for your colleague (I truly am...published works...he`s lucky). That doesn`t mean Fuji didn`t do their homework and that EVFs aren`t becoming the preferred method of viewing. And shouldn`t they be listening to what the majority wants anyway? It is a business.

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Somehow I respect his opinion.
As you should... but one person (even if supremely talented) doesn`t make a company`s decision on a camera wrong.

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Was the change made to save a few pennies?-- or for some practical reason?-- I also prefer the OVF -- just the way some of us work--
The OVF is still there... the changes were made because it is a hybrid VF. Who else makes one? I doubt they are cheap in the first place.

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I suppose next they will find a survey that says more folks use the screen on the back to compose, so drop the view finder- then it can be dropped entirely from this "Rangefinder Forum"?
Well, let`s be honest. It isn`t a rangefinder even with the OVF/EVF. And most people do use the screen to compose, since cellphones are the most popular cameras in the world.
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I do not understand the change, I am happy they have both OVF and EVF, certainly, longer lenses are not practical with the OVF.

If they want to come up with a technical reason, fine-- it is enough to lose some clients, the change does not affect the EVF crowd. My local good friend is corrupted to loving his EVF -- I do see improvements as models change, and might consider even switching to the mirrorless if there are enough advantages for me.

I also recall a time when I put most of my SLR kit on the shelf for Leica, Fuji RF and Contax as they came to match what I was trying to capture more effectively, or so I thought--

I felt I could shoot most days with a 28mm and a 90mm on two G2s-- and while in Europe, I at least had the Fuji folder in my coat pocket-- my serious ? move to Digital involved the XPro line, and even the Fuji adapter for Leica mount glass, my compromise is to hold on to cameras with OVF and frame lines, I suspect it is the same with my German Colleague.

As to the conversations of which cameras adhere to the title of this forum, Many cameras are discussed on this forum, and many are even simply viewfinder cameras-- my avatar does not have a RF- ;-) However, I am perhaps trying to fit a viewfinder yet to my phone-- ;-)


It took me a while to realize in the dominant film era, that the P&S market held the production of most everything else up-- The remaining Agfa B&W tech long ago, during a discussion of a problem with a roll film issue, related that B&W represented about 1% of their products, though the stores I walked in to had stacks of Agfa papers and chemistry-- Essentially, they held on to it for the fine art guys--

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As to the conversations of which cameras adhere to the title of this forum, Many cameras are discussed on this forum, and many are even simply viewfinder cameras--
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xp3 hidden LCD

For me the huge issue is the hidden LCD...I can't believe they did this.

I'm sorely disappointed. All the articles I read about the upcoming 3 model were whether it would have an articulating LCD or not...I was very ambivalent and really didn't care...but that is NOT to say I'm not outraged to see it hidden with a stupid film box display on the back of the camera ... a JOKE?

touch screen? not sure - I can live with it but was/am quite happy with the controller buttons...then again, having to open the LCD to an awkward use of the touch screen sounds like the Fuji designers were on acid when they came up with this one.

Of course I can just pass on the 3 model and stick with the 2 that I love, but that means being stuck in a system where the ILC rangefinder form factor is going away from what I want... I have to really consider the other mirrorless rangefinder style systems if I want to buy new models as they come up...Guess we'll just have to see what the xp4 looks like...

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