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Old 12-12-2006   #41
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codfish and the fishery is a very very highly charged issue in Canada's Maritime provinces
And then there was the pro-seal hunt group Codpeace.

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How about a seperate forum where dictators, religion and politics, new and old can be discussed.
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i met jorge at his first website on home theatre.
it was a great, friendly place and then it turned ugly.
i used to go to another hi fi wbsite that pretty friendly and soon everyone was arguing about everything.
i left it too.

one of the things we aimed for here at rff from the beginning was a feeling of inclusiveness and i think we have done well in that regard.

but as soon as politics and religion enter the scene it usually goes downhill from there.
as strongly as we may feel about leicas and zi's, it pales when compared with god and bush or whomever, left vs right etc.
as someone earlier said, these are highly charged and emotional issues and while real debate is wonderful these discussions usualy lead into trying to convince others they are wrong.

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Well Jenni you have Three dogs, a cat, two horses, four rabbits and a ferret, I have some 50 sheep, 5 horses, 3-7 cats and 4 dogs, it will give us time to go take care of them.....
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I don't like Bush any more than you do Magnus, but the fact remains your posts had nothing to do with Pinochet, you were just using it for a platform to voice your opinion on an unrelated topic. If you want to discuss the US' involvment in Pinochet then go for it. At least it would be in line with the topic. If you want to make a thread discussing why Bush is the devil, have at it. I might even agree with you!
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Wait.. you have 50 sheep?!?!?!?!?! Can I have one? I love sheeeps!

er.. no not like that.... sickos..

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I don't like Bush any more than you do Magnus, but the fact remains your posts had nothing to do with Pinochet, you were just using it for a platform to voice your opinion on an unrelated topic. If you want to discuss the US' involvment in Pinochet then go for it. At least it would be in line with the topic. If you want to make a thread discussing why Bush is the devil, have at it. I might even agree with you!

There are, ... no I do see quite a couple of similarities....

And the last thread, my thread, was more of a pre-Christmas wish sort of thing.
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Yes 50 sheep and a barn full of wool which I always intended to treat and sell on markets, but never got to it actually. But the sheep are nice I enjoy keeping them ....
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Not saying you should, but you can always skip the things you're not interested in. And "duking it out" is hardly a representative of expressing ones feelings and/or beliefs.
That would depend on one's choice of words and "tone." Even the best intentioned beginings, and I do not believe most beginings are all that well intentioned, will quickly degrade to a nasty situation.

Democracy? Really? The living room of my house is not a democracy. If I allowed such a thing the little inmates would take over and it would quickly become an anarchy.
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but as soon as politics and religion enter the scene it usually goes downhill from there.
as strongly as we may feel about leicas and zi's, it pales when compared with god and bush or whomever, left vs right etc.
Politics is a piece of cake compared to football!
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Jan, didnt knew that.
In Portugal our "national" food is codfish. People say that we can do it in over 1000 diferent ways. And i do like codfish in at least 900 of those ways .
That said, i want to think that i'm a strong opponent of natural resources depletion, and if that means i must pass on codfish a few christmas until their population is acceptable, thats a small price to pay.
Its funny because sometime in christmas there is a TV ad that shows a turkey alive and kicking and the ad goes something like "in this christmas leave the turkey alone, have codfish"....

As a side note, we believe that the best codfish is from the cold waters in north europe, norway and finland. I wonder if their reserves are going down also... must check.

Thanks for the head's up.

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Pedro.. I have to say as a Canadian, (and I'm not joking here, do an internet search) that codfish and the fishery is a very very highly charged issue in Canada's Maritime provinces as they watch the fishery deteriorate on Georges Bank and Grand Banks.

Just so you know.

I also understand the idea in your comment.
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Politics is a piece of cake compared to football!
Damm i forgot that topic on my frist post!
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They are off Iceland and in the North Sea.

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As a side note, we believe that the best codfish is from the cold waters in north europe, norway and finland. I wonder if their reserves are going down also... must check.
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As a side note, we believe that the best codfish is from the cold waters in north europe, norway and finland. I wonder if their reserves are going down also... must check.

Actually they can be found, deep fried in batter, in Marini's fish & chip shop about a mile from my house, hmmmm CHIPS...& MUSHY PEAS (Freedom Fries to those of you in the US)
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Portuguese dried salted cod is very very different from fried fresh cod.
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If I am offended by someone's position on Leicas then I think it's my problem and I should move on.
If someone's political views are offensive to me, then I think perhaps they should move on to a political forum where the members have come looking for that sort of discussion.

I'm here to learn on matters related to photography. THAT learning is what suffers when the climate is charged with strongly held opinions...not related to photography.
Steve, I agree. Photography is a medium for communication and personal expression; pretty much all you need to know about me is (hopefully) evident in my photos. I'd really prefer not to READ others' opinions about non-photo-related controversial topics, as that affects my perception of their photos and anything else they write. So, yeah, I mostly avoid the Off-Topic threads... and I did not see the one about Pinochet.
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Steve, I agree. Photography is a medium for communication and personal expression; pretty much all you need to know about me is (hopefully) evident in my photos. I'd really prefer not to READ others' opinions about non-photo-related controversial topics, as that affects my perception of their photos and anything else they write. So, yeah, I mostly avoid the Off-Topic threads... and I did not see the one about Pinochet.
I may have to avoid OT forums in the end...though I wish I did not have to.
Reading strong political opinions does color how I perceive a member, no matter the topic they are posting on.
I briefly used the ignore option once and it drove me crazy because I know the person had something worthwhile to say but I did not want it served up with the "other stuff."
I just need to get my 'zen' on...or something.
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Unfortunately everything’s political, consider one of the innocuous well-fed cat or dog photos on this site; someone from a less privileged parts of the world would get a different message about our priorities from those
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Unfortunately everything’s political, consider one of the innocuous well-fed cat or dog photos on this site; someone from a less privileged parts of the world would get a different message about our priorities from those
Some people from certain parts of the world might have a good recipe for them!
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Yes 50 sheep and a barn full of wool which I always intended to treat and sell on markets, but never got to it actually. But the sheep are nice I enjoy keeping them ....
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Actually they can be found, deep fried in batter, in Marini's fish & chip shop about a mile from my house, hmmmm CHIPS...& MUSHY PEAS (Freedom Fries to those of you in the US)
Are you sure? My understanding is that codfish fisheries are so overfished that traditional fish and chips stands are now using dogfish sharks instead. (You know, the ones you dissect in biology class, with the giant, greasy livers. Yum!)
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aye carumba dude!! i tried not to wade into this one...

when the trolling starts, the bear baiting begins, etc i tend exit whatever thread it's in. whether it's vehemency is directed towards cameras, lenses, film, politics, religion, etc - i'm outta there.

i do so in part, because i don't want to invite confrontation/conflict/disharmony into my life. too many of those things and worse intrude into my life withouit an invitation. there are a few issues that i will respond to without hesitation and will accept nor give any quarter.

to the credit of the rff community most threads and posts engaged in debate - "lively discussion" - are done so with respect and courtesy.

to the credit of the moderators and el queso grande/el jefe del carga/ le roi the threads/posts that veer towards "the limit, the edge" are given notice, then continue on, are monitored and generally come to a natural terminus.

i know this is my problem...like some others i am sometimes affected by strong (some of which i percieve as negative) comments by a given poster on a "hot button" issue. i am here for photography. i learn alot by looking at other folks images and reading how they were made. i really don't want to let anything they say influence how i might view their work. it's difficult to separate these things sometimes.

alright, i've babbled enough...
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Are you sure? My understanding is that codfish fisheries are so overfished that traditional fish and chips stands are now using dogfish sharks instead. (You know, the ones you dissect in biology class, with the giant, greasy livers. Yum!)
YUK!

I think we still get 'real' cod its very expensive now. I prefer Haddock anyhoo!
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Kim closed it just in time, IMHO.

One particular comment was 'fighting' and blatantly ignorant in nature. Had Kim not exercised good judgment in shutting it down, it would have deteriorated into an ugly shouting match.

Morality, politics, religion ... you will never convert another person on these issues. And it is almost pointless to try to do so on a photography forum. But if you want to tilt at windmills, do it face to face ... at least you can settle it with a beer when you both realize how futile it is
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" Morality, politics, religion"..

to quote a Ronnie Self line in one of his rock a billy songs,:

" forget about the dangers and think of the fun".
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... Reading strong political opinions does color how I perceive a member, no matter the topic they are posting on...
Regardless of how hard we may try to filter out the views of others with whom we disagree with over contentious subjects, I think that this does color our views of other forum members. It's human nature. Here, we are dealing with internet personas -- we don't have the pleasure of knowing other forum members in real life. Consequently, the views that we form can be somewhat tainted or inaccurate, and eventually, this will begin to appear in tenor of future threads.

The Leica Forum at pnet is a prime example (and an entirely different subject). Over there, it is unfortunate to see how many threads have been hijacked and taken a nose-dive into the mud when differing internet personalities use every opportunity to trade barbs and insults. Do we want that to happen here? Sure, it wouldn't happen overnight, but it would eventually happen. Incremental loss of civility has a cumulative effect, and if Jorge feels that the RFF would be better without us delving into potentially contentious issues, more power to him.

I like this forum and the way in which members treat each other with courtesy and respect. It would be a shame to see this group sink to a level of crass, base behaviour that is all too often seen in other internet venues.
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I would have locked it also. In disclosure, I'm a libertarian, and can't stand all the liberal and conservative drones that flood the internet with their political garbage. I come here to get away from that stuff.
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Back in the early 1990's cod stock off the Grand Banks in Newfoundland was so low due to overfishing that the cod fishing industry in Canada collapsed. Being Portuguese, I really like my bacalhau but now I only eat it on special occasions like Christmas. Prior to this, we had bacalhau usually twice or three times a week. The extremely high prices for cod fish is the main factor but I also feel a bit guilty because the overfishing (particularly foreign overfishing) cost 40,000+ Canadian jobs. Its kind of funny because when my parents were children in Portugal, cod fish was considered the food of the poor and working classes. Now its very expensive.

Now, for a taste of home, we usually go for sardines. They're still cheap and easy to find. The only problem is that my neighbours complain about the smell.
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you mean baccala - salted cod?? bene, molto bene. molto saporito.

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Just as a historical note, salted cod, aka "baccala" (and other alterntive spellings) came about as a means of preserving the cod catch of those fisheries that did not have landing privileges in the North Atlantic portion of the New World where the cod were plentiful.

Basically, only England and France had colonies where they could dry cod on racks without having to use salt. This was known as green cod. Even today you will find dried fish that has not been salted because it was dried by air.*

The Portugese mainly (and some Spanish etc.) fishermen did not have access to colonies off the North Atlantic (e.g. the Grand and Georges Banks) and so had to preserve their catch on-board. So they placed them in barrels and covered them with salt to preserve the catch and hasten the drying process.

This dried, salted cod was sold throughout the Meditteranean area such that in Portugal, Spain, Southern France, Italy and Greece - the "baccala" became a protein-staple.

* At the end of the Seven-Years War in the mid-18th C. - known as the French and Indian War in North America, France ceded virtually all of its colonial holdings in North America to Britain. It was allowed to keep two small islands off the coast between Newfoundland and Nova Scotia (the Canadians here will know their names) solely for the purpose of keeping their ability to use "green drying" methods. France still controls these two islands today.

And now, back to your regularly scheduled program.

Oh, and no, to the fellow who claimed otherwise, we here in the US DO NOT call them Freedom Fries. Where do people come up with such "poppycock"?
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