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They will need to change their name to FujiDigi or something...
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Like Cal I will need to check my 120 Acros inventory. This is two minutes at f11 in a 6x9cm Plaubel Makiflex.
Black 150mm Schneider Symmar-S barrel mount lens.

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Not good news. But looks exactly the same as T-Max 100, Delta 100 and FP4+ to me, so I’m not going to stress about it.
Wow. All four look fairly different to me, but with Acros easily the worst (or at least, the most finicky and slowest).

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looks exactly the same as T-Max 100, Delta 100 and FP4+ to me,
Let's get rid of two of those then.
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Those are fighting words. Acros at 50 in Rodinal has been my go to any time I have enough light. The tonality and fine grain gave me the look I wanted. It also had a nicer, low curl base than the Kodak film I shot in 35mm.

Add me to the list of people debating a huge Acros purchase vs figuring out how to get similar results from Delta 100.
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I really only use it in 120 and find Tmax 100 just as good for the most part. I'll order another 100 rolls and be done with it, use it only for long exposure stuff.

At least we have Kodak and Ilford kicking out the goods.
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Those are fighting words. Acros at 50 in Rodinal has been my go to any time I have enough light. The tonality and fine grain gave me the look I wanted. It also had a nicer, low curl base than the Kodak film I shot in 35mm.

Add me to the list of people debating a huge Acros purchase vs figuring out how to get similar results from Delta 100.
Dear Brian,

As I said: slow and finicky. I've seen stunning results from it, and had a couple of successes myself, but I never thought it was worth the effort.

Sure, that's just me, but my point was that whether you like it or not, it is very different from Delta 100, TMX and FP4.

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Roger, I’m sure YOU can pick each one out in a final mounted print, but how many other people can do the same? Not me, that’s for sure.

I concede that the Fuji film is great for night shooting with its relative lack of reciprocity failure though.
Not with anything like 100% accuracy, but generally, yes, I see differences; and when it comes to my own prints I see quite a lot of difference.

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Roger, I’m sure YOU can pick each one out in a final mounted print, but how many other people can do the same? Not me, that’s for sure.
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Given subject matter which contains the “right” colors, which can happpen any time, I am sure you and everyone else would immediately notice that ACROS does not look like Tmax 100, not really. ACROS has reduced red sensitivity, and Tmax films have “normal” pan red sensitivity, and reduced blue sensitivity. It’s not night and day, but they are not interchangeable either.
The whole ACROS “orthopanchromatic” thing, on which one can find a variety of inconclusive meandering threads on the interweb.
Whether or not one likes that particular charactistic of ACROS is another matter entirely, but it does respond to light in a different way, differences which will be baked into the cake no matter how you develop it, or anything else.
But, yes, there are other high resolution, fine grained films out there.
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The whole ACROS “orthopanchromatic” thing, on which one can find a variety of inconclusive meandering threads on the interweb.
Whether or not one likes that particular charactistic of ACROS is another matter entirely, but it does respond to light in a different way, differences which will be baked into the cake no matter how you develop it, or anything else.
But, yes, there are other high resolution, fine grained films out there.
As far as “orthopanchromatic” goes, we have Adox Silvermax, Adox CMS 20 and probably some more if you want reduced red sensitivity... And I still have around 100 rolls of Efke R50 in my freezer...
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5 packs via Freestyle are still at a good price. Just sayin' . . .
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Shoot it at 400, develop for 10 minutes in hc-110 b.

More bite, less grain than any 400-film.
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5 packs via Freestyle are still at a good price. Just sayin' . . .
Thanks.

I never kept too much Acros in the freezer. Not because I didn't like it just fine. I did like Neopan more, but I didn't have much of that either.

Why? Prices for Fuji BW films in my neck of the woods were always a bit high, and I was always a bit poor, and there were always some alternatives with lower prices.

The reciprocity (or lack of) feature of Acros is the reason why I will grab some now. But not too much. I still need to keep my budget in mind.
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The shipping department at B&H will be running overtime after the Passover holiday...
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So it’s a shame the Fuji is cutting another film, but given their history what surprises me is that anyone is surprised when they announce they are cutting another one. Soon they will have cut all their film except the Instax range.
When (if) Ferriana get their slide production up in 135 and 120 I won’t use any Fuji products, their intentions are clear, they have no future in film.

I would be more shocked if Ilford started cutting films or if Kodak started cutting film again. But I struggle to be shocked when Fuji cut another film.
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It is a logical step for a big multinational leaving the analogue film market. Comparing to Ilford or Kodak Fuji had a relative small part in the B&W film market. Of course a pity another film will be lost and especially a modern type with a good reciprocity failure, fine grain and in production from 35mm till sheet film without manufacturer problems. It is clear that the type of analogue photography is in a niche market and there will be no place for big multinationals anymore.
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It would've been better if this news came out today...
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yes, they're killing it this October

sad news, i hope its some april fools joke
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I use a lot in 135. It's my tripod film.. no reciprocity failure. The other film I use is HP5. I have some Acros left in the frig. I guess i'll move to Ilford for all my film. Too bad, after their "we're committed to film" Ads of a couple of years ago .. just Ad hype.
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For tripod night shooting it is unbeatable.

For 135 I'm considering using exclusively Kodak 5222. This is the last of the true thick silver rich emulsions left. I get 400 ISO in Diafine 4+4.

For 120 I'm Ilford also (FP4 and HP5), but I'm also using Berger Pancro 400, Rollie 400S, and am looking forward to P30 in 120.

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Nice, quality film, one of my favorites. Ah well. Just bought as much as I could afford. Maybe it will last as long as I do.
I used to think that if they ever quit making ACROS that would be the end, I would quit shooting film entirely, and slink back to digital (“It’s sharper!” they screamed), but, now that the time has come, I think I will just putter on, screwing up some other emulsion.
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I'm with you: a film die-hard. As long as there is film I'll be shooting it. Limited selection of films adds a creative challenge.

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Must be somewhat of a buying splurge these past few days. B&H is out of 35mm, and Freestyle is out of 120. Should be just temporary though it sounds like.
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I have 30 rolls of Acros 120 in my fridge. This film is now old. I filled the freezer back when Adorama had a price of $3.89 a roll. At that time B&H was selling Acros for $4.59.

Also I remember loading the truck when rebranded Acros was sold at $1.89 a roll in 135 because it was close-dated. I used the last of this 135 Last year.

I hope to use all this old film and restock with fresh film soon.

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I’ve used Acros only in 120 and liked what I’ve seen. Developed in Rodinal only so far. I’ve placed a modest order for low light use. I’m otherwise happy with Delta 100 or FP4. Both different of course but equally valid. If P30 becomes available in 120 I’ll certainly try it. It’s a shame that Fuji are doing this but it’s their business.
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So is this confirmed yet? Or is it still just a loose rumor?

I love Acros 100 @ 400 developed either in HC-110B or Xtol.
That said, the film emulsion itself is the only one that has ever given me problems. It seems like the film itself is very thick, stiff and brittle. It's the only film that has ever cracked/snapped inside of my camera. And it's always the worst one to develop. And it gives the chemicals a distinct magenta cast immediately after one use.

I love the look, but I hate the material it's made of, and how it pollutes my chemicals.
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Doesn't surprise me. I've predicted this every time Fuji cuts a film which is why I refuse to shoot their films. I don't want to shoot and fall in love with a film that has a grey and unpredictable future. Granted, all films arguably have an unpredictable future but Fuji I have the absolute least faith in.

With so many companies coming out with new films and overall the market seems to be growing again I speculate that there's an agenda over at fuji that's independent from the market.
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With so many companies coming out with new films and overall the market seems to be growing again I speculate that there's an agenda over at fuji that's independent from the market.
It could be that the other companies focus on film and have a much smaller operation with much lower expectations though...
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I have 30 rolls of Acros 120 in my fridge. This film is now old. I filled the freezer back when Adorama had a price of $3.89 a roll. At that time B&H was selling Acros for $4.59.

Also I remember loading the truck when rebranded Acros was sold at $1.89 a roll in 135 because it was close-dated. I used the last of this 135 Last year.

I hope to use all this old film and restock with fresh film soon.

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If I was reading dates correctly, the Japanese dealer information was released after B and H and Adorama had already closed for the holiday. Rumor or not, I ordered everything I could while the old prices were still listed on the B and H site, thinking that they would honor those prices.
When 4x5 ACROS was discontinued, the pricing went way up fairly quickly if I recall correctly. Same thing with 400x.
Will be interesting/discouraging to see what happens with this now, but I’m not sure I’d wait till later to buy, if wanting some.
Though that’s much conjecture on my part.
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So is this confirmed yet? Or is it still just a loose rumor?
100% confirmed. The above Japanese language notification is what Fujifilm sent to film resellers in Japan. Last shipments from the factory expected in October 2018, and the shipped film will have an expiry date of October 2019.
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If I was reading dates correctly, the Japanese dealer information was released after B and H and Adorama had already closed for the holiday. Rumor or not, I ordered everything I could while the old prices were still listed on the B and H site, thinking that they would honor those prices.
When 4x5 ACROS was discontinued, the pricing went way up fairly quickly if I recall correctly.
Will be interesting/discouraging to see what happens with this now, but I’m not sure I’d wait till later to buy, if wanting some.
Though that’s much conjecture on my part.
Larry,

Thanks for the inside info.

Seems like it would be smart to lock in the prices like you did, as back orders, even if you have to wait.

BTW it is helpful to use Acros as much as possible now to avoid having later remorse. One of the reasons why I try to shoot as much film as possible because one day I will be mucho glad to not have the remorse of not have exploited the opportunity when I had the chance. Basically not waste an opportunity.

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100% confirmed. The above Japanese language notification is what Fujifilm sent to film resellers in Japan. Last shipments from the factory expected in October 2018, and the shipped film will have an expiry date of October 2019.
Sad news! It's really disappointing Fuji is giving up. Won't be long 'till they are just a lame cosmetics company!
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I still have Neopan 120 in my deep freeze. I don't use much Acros, but I'll buy some to stock up on it. Only have six rolls on hand right now.
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Sad news! It's really disappointing Fuji is giving up. Won't be long 'till they are just a lame cosmetics company!
If women had no access to cosmetics, that would be a worse world than us not having access to film.
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100% confirmed. The above Japanese language notification is what Fujifilm sent to film resellers in Japan. Last shipments from the factory expected in October 2018, and the shipped film will have an expiry date of October 2019.
Thanks. That's sad. I prefer Acros 100 @ 400 over any of the 400 speed emulsions (TX400, Delta 400, HP5+). Oh well. I guess Fuji will bounce back with some re-issues of popular films after they realize that their X-series digital cameras won't take over the world.
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I read an online article on why they think Fuji killed Acros and it was because they teared down their equipment in the late 2000s after making the last batches of Acros 100.
They though the batches would last them long enough however they did not expect the film 'renaissance' stage we are experiencing now.

Time for me to buy 10-20 rolls and store them in the freezer.
Not a deal breaker for me though as I also like Delta 100 and FP4+.
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It could be that the other companies focus on film and have a much smaller operation with much lower expectations though...
It's true. 100%. But take Kodak for instance. They would have had the same size operation and same expectations as fuji. They had a bit of a late start at reforming but they did. The fact that they are bringing back both tmax 3200 as well as ektachrome really shows their commitment to their customers.

Fuji on the other hand, never took note from Kodak. With Acros, Neopan 400 and a good chunk of E6 that only leaves them with what?, some color reversal? It's only a matter of time before that's slashed too. Kodak has really made a good name for themselves with their portra line. It's tough competition out there.

By this time next year I could see fuji cutting the last of what's remaining.
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If women had no access to cosmetics, that would be a worse world than us not having access to film.
Just kidding. (Not really.)
Larry,

My gal is a fashion blogger with over 478K followers, and she gets "gifted" mucho high end cosmetics, clothing and shoes. I am literally getting squeezed out of my apartment. LOL. Many packages just get piled up unopened.

Too much of a good thing, and presently unsustainable. Not kidding.

All I need is a few films and I'm happy. Acros though is special for night photography.

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Larry,

My gal is a fashion blogger with over 478K followers, and she gets "gifted" mucho high end cosmetics, clothing and shoes. I am literally getting squeezed out of my apartment. LOL. Many packages just get piled up unopened.

Too much of a good thing, and presently unsustainable. Not kidding.

All I need is a few films and I'm happy. Acros though is special for night photography.

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Cal,

That’s funny, but that’s how marketing works these days, in part. Would be interesting to know if camera bloggers get the same level of swag, or disclose it. Though not sure how many camera bloggers have 478k followers, which would be the key to freebies.

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