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Old 12-04-2012   #1
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New products from Ilford

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Old 12-04-2012   #2
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Well I can't make up my mind if this is good thing or a really stupid thing. Certainly is different and the last thing I expected from this fine company.
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Old 12-04-2012   #3
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Disposable cameras were one of Kodaks biggest selling analog products were they not? With them out of the picture Ilford ought to jump on these.
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Old 12-04-2012   #4
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Nice I suppose for the European market. It wouldn't likely interest me other than to give to my grandson for an outiing. And there is still CVS here in the USA for that. But thanks for the link.
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Dear Akiva,

What's stupid about it?

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Old 12-04-2012   #6
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Great idea IMO.
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Ilford are in business to make money. Why not give something like this a whirl? As Bob says Kodak did well but that was a different era. It'll be interesting to see if this is a good bet.



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Didn't Ilford sell XP-2 disposable cameras in the late 1990s?
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Due to Ilford the whole global market for BW photo film is about 15 million films p.a.

Due to PMA (Photo Marketing Association in USA) in 2011
31 million single use cameras were sold in the USA.

So the single use camera market in US alone is double the size compared to the whole global BW market.

From this perspective Ilford's move makes lot of sense!

Maco/Rollei-Film had introduced BW single used cams some years ago, and it was a success.
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Dear Akiva,

What's stupid about it?

Cheers,

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Wasn't actually taking that position but just postulating how someone might think so. There goes that over intellectualizing again. My wife hates it when I do that.
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I like this move, a good marketing helps to keep film alive ! And...if available in Italy I'll give a try to the xp2 one (which by the way I used in my RFs) to give at least my minimum support to the idea!
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I read last week that disposable camera sales were a big percentage of Kodak film sales this year. If so, this seems like another smart move by Ilford.

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Due to PMA (Photo Marketing Association in USA) in 2011
31 million single use cameras were sold in the USA.
This must have been the article, I couldn't find it
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Excellent idea - there's a lot of demand for these for weddings etc and a lot of the current disposables on the market look rather tacky. These are attractive enough to be appealing to the style-conscious end of the market which should be good business for them. Packaging them with the developing options is a neat idea too.
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I've used the Rollei ones... and they worked pretty well.

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All you seem to see for sale in drug stores, convenience stores here is one-time use cameras. I wonder whether casual users will go for black and white cameras -- much as I love HP5+, I think only a C41 camera makes sense.
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Lomography will sell these too... that's where I got the Rollei versions. These aren't made for the average joe walking into CVS (pharmacy).
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I think the "real" black and white one is a really nice idea, particularly with pre-paid processing. It's a nice simple gift idea with no extra costs for the recipient. Might get a lot of kids interested in shooting film.
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I think its a great idea, not a new one from Ilford though. I've used HP5 disposable cameras before in 2004 when I needed a camera when on a trip. They stocked them in Boots the chemist (UK) with processing and printing by Ilford.
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Excellent idea - there's a lot of demand for these for weddings etc and a lot of the current disposables on the market look rather tacky. These are attractive enough to be appealing to the style-conscious end of the market which should be good business for them. Packaging them with the developing options is a neat idea too.
+1 on that. Smart move.
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please make them recycleable or else this is a fail imo.
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Most disposable cameras are re-cycled (at least in the UK). A practice my lab was doing at least 15 years ago....
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Old 12-04-2012   #22
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These are popular, especially at weddings. Our problem in our county is that there is no place within 60 miles that you can drop off one of these for processing, so they will have to be mailed somewhere. Of course, there is also nowhere here that sells them. Walmart in our town doesn't sale film or disposable cameras, or even have a film drop anymore. Only those Kiosks for digital prints from memory cards.
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Is that for the UK market, only? I think they would be fun to mess around with.
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Old 12-04-2012   #24
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please make them recycleable or else this is a fail imo.
They all ARE recycable, and indeed re-usable (if you know how, you can even reload them at home).

I do hope Ilford supply the true black and white ones with film removal instructions and a free return mailer envelope to reduce waste - while C41 will generally be handed off to a lab that does recycle, the majority of these will end up DIY developed, and home darkroom users mostly will not know how do extract the film without damage, nor where to dispose of the camera.
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That's good to know, I've only ever used one of those underwater disposables and that was eons ago Reloading would be cool, guess you have to crack the case very carefully...
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I support whatever that helps the film industry.
If they come my way, I will most definitely buy a few.
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Old 12-04-2012   #27
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You can buy them processing included, Ilfords processing is good and when I last used one of these cameras they returned the prints in a nice box.
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It makes good sense. Give someone a taste of black and white and they may just move on to a proper non disposable camera. Lord knows ebay is awash with such bargains at a silly price. My other half is thrilled with the little cameras I have bought for her and she now loves film. I get the joy of scanning it for her !!
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Konica made a sepia tone one use camera back in the 90s, which I kind of wished they had exported. This might be fun in the same way. People just looking for an "old timey" look who don't own a film camera or know how to develop/print.
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I've used the Rollei ones... and they worked pretty well.

I got my hands on one of those. Reloaded it with some regular film. Worked very fine
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Why not? If it sells, then I say go for it. I still buy the Kodak disposables occasionally for my son. He loves them.
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The only problem I see is the drying up of local C-41 processing. Here the local Costco discontinued it 2 months ago. Don't know whether the 'instant gratification' generation will put up with the delay between the click and the print. Hope they do. Actually viewing a photograph as a physical print will be a whole new experience for some teenagers.
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Hmm, could be a nice wedding take away.. "take a **** load of photos and i'll develop them"
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I imagine the educational market would consume 'disposable' b&w cameras for intro photo courses (well, the few that actually involve a darkroom).
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I think they are pretty cool. I hope they make it to the US market. It would be the perfect camera for night out on the town.
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Sorry, haven't noticed them at weddings for quite sometime.

And where would the average person get B&W film developed and printed? Perhaps the film that can be souped with color chemicals.

See smart phones being used quite a lot at weddings now. Rarely does anyone use film anymore.

Well, lets see, perhaps people residing in others parts of the world will use them.
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I see a them a fair bit, couples buy them and put them on the tables. The guests then shoot themselves having fun and when they finish they are told to put in a box, the couple then take them to a lab and have a reportage record.
lots of places sell them mainly bridal shops
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Let's hope it is a gateway drug.
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As other mentioned, this is not exactly a new idea for ilford, they'v had hp5 disposable cameras in the past. But it's been awhile, and I find people still ask me about them once in a while even though they've been out of production for quite a while.
Add all the lomo types to the mix, and I don't think they'll have any problems selling these.

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Tangential question - is it easy to get the film out of these?

My kid asked me to develop the film in her disposable camera, just yesterday .

She is intimidated by a "real" camera , and at this point prefers disposables and her plastic lomo unit.

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