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Old 07-28-2019   #1
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Leicaflex SL2 with R lens issue

I have been using both an R4S and an R7 with no issues for some months. I have a 35mm Summicron, 50mm Summicron and 80mm Summilux, all of which work perfectly on the two cameras.

Last week I bought an immaculate black chrome Leicaflex SL2 in the Leica Store in the Leica Park at Wetzlar. I've put in a battery with adapter and the meter is working well, if not yet fully tested. But to my confusion, the Summicron 50mm aperture setting does not register at all on the 'Flex, while the other two work perfectly. Perplexity reigns. Any guidance on what I have got would be much appreciated. I am probably going to part with the R4S and might sell this with it, but I don't want to misdescribe the lens.





Compared to the backs of the 35mm Summicron and 80 Summilux

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You're 50 is 'R Only', meaning no 1 or 2 cams (the silver ramps inside the mount) that are used in the Leicaflex and Leicaflex SL/SL2. It will only fit R3-R9 bodies.
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Another R version lens. Thank you analoged, I'm glad I hardly use 50mm anyway, so it's not a great loss, but obviously if I do replace it, a 3 cam is the one to look for.
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Just tested the metering against the spot meter mode on my R7 (which has been exact so far) and it's precisely the same results. That's very encouraging.
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Charles,

The metering on the SL2 is a tight spot meter. Just be aware that it is more sensitive than other meters.

I own a SL2-MOT.

I bought a R macro adapter to secure the ramps required to convert my 50 Lux "E60" which was ROM to retrofit it to "three-cam." The Macro adapter had a F2.8 ramp which I filed down into a F1.4 ramp. The ramp is a simple inclined plane and pretty much involved just shaving off material parallel with the original ramp.

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Thanks Cal, I so much prefer spot meters for most things.

I'm intrigued - you can basically instal a new set of ramps and the lens will then mate with the system? I like the idea, not sure my implementation will be up to much though!
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Thanks Cal, I so much prefer spot meters for most things.

I'm intrigued - you can basically instal a new set of ramps and the lens will then mate with the system? I like the idea, not sure my implementation will be up to much though!
Charles,

I bought my Macro Adapter from B&H for about $40.00.

The amount of material removed was very little. Pretty much the cam is a wedge of chromed brass and all is required was a smooth file. I scored a line of a thin straight edge and began filing. It was a bit of trial and error.

The only cam I had to adjust was for the aperture readout in the VF'er. One of the cams is used for the ROM and basically the other two cams were supplied from the Macro Adapter.

I believe Leica USA no longer does camming on R-Glass.

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Right, found a macro adapter with the cams (mine is stop down only).

How did you transfer them from the adapter to the lens?

(this is very very helpful - Summicrons are not cheap to replace!)
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Charles,

The metering on the SL2 is a tight spot meter. Just be aware that it is more sensitive than other meters.

I own a SL2-MOT.

I bought a R macro adapter to secure the ramps required to convert my 50 Lux "E60" which was ROM to retrofit it to "three-cam." The Macro adapter had a F2.8 ramp which I filed down into a F1.4 ramp. The ramp is a simple inclined plane and pretty much involved just shaving off material parallel with the original ramp.

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Oooo, I need to do this to my ROM 80 Lux! Would love to use that lens on my Leicaflexes!
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I have a similar issue with my Summicron-R 50mm f/2 in that it is a very very old model (1964 vintage) made for the original Leicaflex ... only one cam, so it doesn't couple correctly with the aperture on either my Leicaflex SL or R6.2.

Since I have a Summilux-R 50mm f/1.4 three-cam model, it's okay ... I mostly use the Summicron 50 for use with the Leica Focusing Bellows-R or adapted to the Leica CL with ELPRO or extension tubes for macro work (it's an amazingly good macro lens!). The 'Cron only cost me about $100 once upon a time a decade ago and, for all the use I get out of it, that's a heckuva bargain.

I'm going to spend some money on it and have it CLAed now: the focusing helicoid is getting very sticky since the lubricant has long since turned to tar...

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From memory

1 cam = Original Leicaflex
2 cams = SL and SL2
3 cams = Leicaflex, SL, SL2 and R

2 cam lenses used to be the cheapest but not so noticeable these days.

I have an SLMOT, 21 SA (because it was a lot cheaper than the M version) and 65mm Macro, haven't used the motor for ages.
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Right, found a macro adapter with the cams (mine is stop down only).

How did you transfer them from the adapter to the lens?

(this is very very helpful - Summicrons are not cheap to replace!)
Charles,

The only things you need from the Macro adapter are the two cams and the screws. These screws are tiny so you have to buy some jewler's screw drivers.

In my case I had to remove the ROM interface.

Go to the Lietax website and look at all the photos for Leica-R. It will be clear to you from the photo's the evolution of one-cam, two-cam, three-cam and ROM differences.

Pretty much you are just canabilizing a Macro adapter for the cams. If needed filing the aperture cam to make it faster than F2.8.

Really not difficult, unless you have "sausage fingers."

In my case the 3-cam allows me to use my 50 Lux "E60" on my SL as well as my SL2-MOT.

I also have Leitax adapter to F-mount that has an "almost auto aperture" so I can mount the 50 Lux "E60" on my Nikon F3P. There is a spring loaded diaphram that opens the iris for shallow DOF and for added focus snap. Release the lever and the lens stops down. In practice seamless for me.

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Perfect thank you - the Leitax site is very clear, I've even managed to install one on a Zeiss Rollei mount lens, so I hope I can do this.
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Perfect thank you - the Leitax site is very clear, I've even managed to install one on a Zeiss Rollei mount lens, so I hope I can do this.
Charles,

E-Z: P-Z.

All that is required is care in dialing in the aperture ramp. Not really a cam. Four screws. If I remember correctly there is a cutout in the base of one cam so in a way it is "keyed."

The third cam if needed or required nests with one of the two cams.

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Oooo, I need to do this to my ROM 80 Lux! Would love to use that lens on my Leicaflexes!
You are a lucky dog. What a great lens.

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Actually though the mounts from R-Only and Rom lenses has a ridge that won't let you mount the lenses on Original Leicaflex and SL. Sl2 I'm pretty sure has the lens mount that can take these lenses.
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Actually though the mounts from R-Only and Rom lenses has a ridge that won't let you mount the lenses on Original Leicaflex and SL. Sl2 I'm pretty sure has the lens mount that can take these lenses.
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It is my understanding in my case with ROM contacts that mounting the lens on my SL2-MOT would result in damage.

As I remember I use the same lens flange which is identical to the lens flange on the Macro adapter.

The only time I change the lens flange is when I use the Lietax F-mount to go Nikon.

When I mount my Noct-Nikkor 58/1.2 on my SL I utilize a Novaflex F-mount to M adapter that allows me to use the Noctilux F1.2 lens profile on my SL.

Another interesting lens to use for film is the 65 Elmar Visoflex lens with some adapter that Leica made. This lens is low contrast, does macro focusing and has a very pleasing rendering.

The aperture readout does not work, but the SL2 metering works with the 65 Elmar, but not on other earlier cameras. A very interesting lens on the SL2, inexpensive, and wonderful on film. Not the best for digital though.

Kinda crazy how I can stack M-R-Visoflex and how it will work on my SL, but it isn't the best for digital. On my SL2-MOT the focus has a very-very strong snap. Only F3.5 though.

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A,

As I remember I kept my ROM flange intact, and also used the lens mount from the Macro Adapter since it was a spare.

Converting from 3-cam back to ROM was thus more modular.

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Big success time. I managed to transfer the necessary pieces of cam ware from the macro adapter (under 30 and immaculate) to the 50mm lens. No screws got lost, I even managed to keep the little ball bearing for the aperture clicking. Having the right tools (bought for previous bodge jobs) was essential - very good JIS screwdrivers rather than cheapo ones.

On the principle (learned in a classic car workshop when helping restore my old Benz) that it's easier to remove too much metal than put it back, I measured the cam heights at each end (2.8 through to 22) which had a tiny 4 mm difference top to bottom, and then used very fine sandpaper which I could press each cam into evenly across the whole length. My first go worked perfectly.

The only thing I need to do is to adapt is the gasket from the R cam 50mm which lacks the spaces for the new cams. The one from the macro adapter is plastic and fits into the tube, so no good except as a template. As I've pushed my luck as far as possible today I'll deal with it when I can find my Dremel. This is needed to have the hard stops at f2 and f16 on the R cam bodies, so it has to be done but is not vital.

Excellent - for the cost of 30, a fully compatible lens. Thanks very much Calzone, what a brilliant hack!





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Charles,

The gasket is not really needed.

Pretty much optional.

Good to know that you don't have sausage fingers. LOL.

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"On the principle......that it's easier to remove too much metal than put it back..."

Amen to that. It's also a sound metaphor for life, yes? It'e easier (and less stressful) to do things right the first time than to have to go back and correct them later. I never got on w/ any of the R bodies, preferring instead to shoot Leica R glass on Nikon bodies, but a well tuned and smoothly running Leicaflex is a fun camera to shoot. Their viewfinders are like looking at the world through a big, bright picture window.
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"a well tuned and smoothly running Leicaflex is a fun camera to shoot. Their viewfinders are like looking at the world through a big, bright picture window.
It was in the Leica Store in Wetzlar at a sane price, and it was the first time I'd seen one in the flesh, so having looked at the CL they had next to it, I asked if I could have a look, without any plan to buy, and putting that viewfinder up to my eye was like looking through the brightscreen of my Rolleiflex. My eyesight a bit weaker now, but I could see things in focus across the screen, not just in the centre prism. Everything about it is exquisitely mechanical. It sold itself.
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Good to hear you've got it sorted out!

Yes, the Leicaflex SL was/is my dream SLR for many many years. I could never afford the lenses for it in the past, but after Leica discontinued the R system, lens and body prices tanked for a few years. My first R gear was a black Leicaflex SL with 50, 90, and 135 mm lenses, all for the grand total of about $500 per lens with the body thrown in for nothing.

I remember when a similar kit in the 1990s based on the R8 and adding a 24mm lens, would have cost $15,000 or more.

Regards lens compatibility, people wiser in this stuff than I have told me there's really no problem using ROM lenses on the Leicaflex and Leicaflex SL, but Leica was always very conservative about the possibility of damaging the ROM contacts. I don't know the truth of it because I concentrated on buying 3-cam lenses for maximum compatibility across the Leicaflex and R series bodies.

Also, again on compatibility, a few lenses in the R system range cannot be used on Leicaflex and Leicaflex SL bodies due to mechanical interference with the mirror. The SL2 and later R bodies have a revised mirror action that permits their use. DO NOT defeat the lockout (ridge on the lens flange) and fit them to the Leicaflex & SL body: used like that, the likelihood is that the mirror will both jam and be damaged, and the rear element of the lens could be damaged.

I know that the Elmarit-R 24mm and Super-Elmar-R 15mm are two of these. I've also heard that the later version of the Elmarit-R 19mm f/2.8 is incompatible with the Leicaflex and Leicaflex SL, but I don't know the truth of that.

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Thanks Godfrey, I have the 35 and 50 Summicrons and an 80mm Summilux that I recall you recommending. A wide angle will be next, but it's not essential. Very useful info on the incompatible lenses.

I have to say, I think it's a beauty.

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Thanks Godfrey, I have the 35 and 50 Summicrons and an 80mm Summilux that I recall you recommending. A wide angle will be next, but it's not essential. Very useful info on the incompatible lenses.

I have to say, I think it's a beauty.

https://reluctanttenor.files.wordpre...f-1.jpg?w=2720
It is indeed! Lovely camera.

I can no longer find this web page, but luckily I rendered it to a PDF an eon ago when I found it. It has a lot of good information about the R system lens mount differences and a clear compatibility table

Leica R Lenses - cams - compatibility.pdf

enjoy! Make photos with it!

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I had heard that the 80 Lux was Mandler's favorite lens.

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An interesting lens is the 65/3.5 Elmar made for the Visoflex that can be adapted to a SL2 via a Leica 14167.

This lens with adapter allows full metering, although the aperture readout does not couple. Know that this lens has a click stop that is settable for stopping down, but the F-stops otherwise have no detents. Kinda funky.

The great things about this lens is low cost, interesting rendering, low contrast, macro close focus ability, flat field, and an interesting old school look. Also know that if you like focusing a Rollieflex that this lens has a very strong focus snap that makes it great for shooting street.

I think I paid about $350.00 for both the lens and Leica adapter. Mine is a silver version.

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Interesting Cal - I love old school lens looks, and of course it could be used on my M too. I already have the 100mm Macro Elmar with bellows, which is superb but somewhat clinical. I'll look out for one, thanks.
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Motor doesn't get used these days, the Macro Elmarit is a great alternative to a 50mm and does so much more.

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That's nicely compact!
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Build quality is old school, shutter speeds progressive (if that is the right word) then 10 x AA batteries in boxes with gold contacts, a motor that goes off like an old Norton with the ignition too far advanced...get rid of all that stuff and it becomes a very nice and simple camera to hold...

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I think they are beautiful, it sits in my hands perfectly. I find the build quality and looks somehow reminiscent of a mid 70s Benz - form following function, frippery free.

Nice!
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Evening sidelighting, taken with my Zeiss Ultron 50mm f1.8. One over-engineered German beauty period saluting the other (with the 80mm Summilux on the SL2 - it's a perfect match for the camera size).

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Charles,

Sherry's favorite R is the SL. When I had her build my SL2-MOT from two parts cameras she mentioned that with the SL2 they went crazy with the overbuild.

One camera, the SL2-MOT was a shelf queen. I suspect that early on the CdS cell died early on in it's life and it went unused. This camera also suffered a desilvering prism.

The donor SL2 was a silver version that had a working meter and a perfect prism. The camera was so well used that the lens mount needed to be replaced (no lie), and the body was dented from possibly from being used for street fighting.

Sherry mentioned that she hated working on SL2's because of the overbuild made them hard to work on. Only about 1K SL2-MOT's built.

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A couple of months ago I had Don CLA and replace the prism only SL MOT. Just a great camera to use!
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I have to say I am worried about something going wrong on the SL2, it's not a camera I'd trust to many repairers. I might leave it as a shelf queen as this one is so so nice, and try an SL. But the pure mechanical nature and the sense of quality just oozes out of the camera.
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I have to say I am worried about something going wrong on the SL2, it's not a camera I'd trust to many repairers. I might leave it as a shelf queen as this one is so so nice, and try an SL. But the pure mechanical nature and the sense of quality just oozes out of the camera.
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I think it would of been cool to just replace the lens mount and have a really beat up SL2 that remained a working camera. My SL2-MOT dates back to 1975.

I use to be a big fan of the F2. Over the decades I have owned many F2's, but now own none. The SL2-MOT kills any GAS for an all mechanical SLR.

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Old 08-05-2019   #38
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Actually it's so good it's mad not to use it, it will still look great if it turns out to have a fault that's unrepairable.

It's funny - I have a really nicely zinged and brassing F2AS, but I have no desire to use it - the metering display is nowhere near as clear and the focus screen on the SL2 just pops. Funny old world, I never intended to buy one and now I think it beats the F2. Time for a bit of a clear out.
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What is the legend about the SL or SL2 in the Leica museum that fell out of a fighter during some war or other and was retrieved from the desert a long time later...repairable?

My SLMOT is a little tatty, I sent it to CRR in the UK not long after I got it but at the time didn't have the money to re-sliver the prism. I've got used to a few spots, I suppose they'd annoy me if I took a lot of snow scenes but I don't. It is a very low volume camera, like the SL2MOT and still with a low value.

Curiously you can't turn the meter off on the MOTs.

The viewfinder, spots and all, still surprises people.
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I wouldn't want a Leicaflex SL dropping on me, it was probably thrown as a last resort when the bombs ran out!

I'm encouraged that those who love them, really love them. I have had so many SLRs and I can't think of a single one with a viewfinder so focussed. My first reel having been developed with me using the Summilux wide open at f1.4 and there is only one missed focus - by a good two feet with me firing accidentally. A recent shoot at the Morgan factory with my F2AS and 50mm f1.4 had at least two thirds off. I can have good days and bad days so I won't over-do it, but it was the reason I bought it.

Tomorrow, some portraits of my father.
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