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Old 10-06-2019   #1
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Nikkor 21 4

I have a Nikkor-O 2.1cm 4 without RF coupling, of course. Does anyone here own a Nikkor 2.1cm 4 RF lens by any chance? I haven't seen any recent threads on this lens.

I use my SLR lens on a Nikon F2 in mirror lock-up mode and with an external viewfinder. I am about to return using this rig.



The camera feels quite heavy and solid.

I wonder if it is more fun to use the modern and light CV 21/4! I have a CV lens in Nikon mount, but I don't use Nikon RF cameras. It seems that this lens when used with an adapter cannot be used with the Leica M9.


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I have the 2.1cm Nikkor F mount but I use it on my Leica M4. I modified a Novoflex adapter to accept the Nikkor by JB welding a small piece of plexiglass to act as the key that prevents the lens from rotating. On the M4 it's a great lens.
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This is a great modification idea, Phil. I am not as skilled as you are, though, and until further notice, the lens stays as is in SLR F mount. How do you like your images from your lens?
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Aside from the convenience of RF coupling in the super angulon f/3.4, I like the images better because there is slightly less vignetting with the Nikon. And really, at 21mm, even wide open, exact focus isn't critical.
I like using non-reflex motion picture cameras and I have to scale focus 100% of the time. I just got a 50mm f1.6 Kodak Anastigmat and using that wide open is going to really challenge me. I'll be using the measuring tape for anything less than 8 feet at a wide aperture. No such trouble with the 2.1cm Nikkor!
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I already have a 16/8 converted to M mount, do I will keep the Nikkor in F mount.
There is no need for RF coupling.
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Oh yeah, I need to stress that when I perform modifications like this, I ensure that the lens can always be returned to original form and spec. In this case, I modified the adapter so if I want to use the lens on my F2 when I'm out shooting with that camera and a 50mm, I can easily put it on as the lens and camera were originally made to do. No modification of the lens itself happened.
For anyone who wants to do a similar adapter modification, when you mount the lens on the Leica, the adapter must be on the camera already or the rear elements of the 2.1cm Nikkor hits the top of the box inside the camera and could scratch off the black coating. Don't mount or dismount the adapter + lens as one piece. Just an important note.
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Hey Raid,

The Nikkor-O 21mm f/4 was the first ultra-wide lens I used, on loan from my uncle, in 1969 to 1972 or so. I used it on a Nikon F body. It's a terrific performer, IMO.

The easiest thing to do to lighten up the F2 + lens is to switch the head on the F2 to either a waist-level finder or the plain prism head. The F2's metering head is quite a heavy lump and it's completely irrelevant with this lens fitted since the mirror has to be locked up. You can get a waist level finder for the camera from Ebay for about $40 or so.

I wouldn't adapt this lens to anything else, personally. Fitted to the F or F2 with a waist level finder, it's barely heavier than a Leica M, about the same size physically, and does exactly the same thing. Having had the Color-Skopar 21mm f/4 lens as well, I have to say that I think the Nikkor 21mm is a slightly better performer although it may have a little more corner light fall-off.

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Voigtlander F accessory shoe.

https://cameraquest.com/VCSL1215.htm

Pretty darn cool kit Raid!
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Voigtlander F accessory shoe.

https://cameraquest.com/VCSL1215.htm
Well, that tends to sell for about $250, when you can find it. A waist level finder is $40 from Ebay.

The Nikon F and F2 already have their own accessory shoe anyway... and there are plenty of adapters that fit on it for a standard accessory shoe mount for much less than that (and those also give you a standard flash hot shoe).

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My lens came with its accessory and finder.
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Years ago I bought a LTM to Pentax screw mount adapter. Then I used a number one Pentax screw mount extension tube to get the correct register. Now I wish I had a LTM to Pentax K mount adapter so I could mount my K mount lenses. I guess I'll have to dream on.
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Can’t you add a Pentax N42 to K adapter?
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Probably the only thing I would change is get a plain prism for her.

Another option, if you're into a bit of a hack is.....

Get an old FTN Prism and Dremel the top off it. Make it a cover to protect the mirror and stay on with the clips.

Very cool classic glass. Thanks for sharing.

BTW, if you need an extra F/F2 adapter let me know, I got one I can share.

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Thank you Bill.
I am not handy enough to manage such a hack.
Do you mean a F/F2 hot shoe accessory?

I have used this lens with one roll of film many years ago.
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Probably the only thing I would change is get a plain prism for her.
Another option, if you're into a bit of a hack is.....
Get an old FTN Prism and Dremel the top off it. Make it a cover to protect the mirror and stay on with the clips.
Very cool classic glass. Thanks for sharing.
BTW, if you need an extra F/F2 adapter let me know, I got one I can share.
A plain prism would work to lighten the camera too, but cost for one in good condition is $100-$250. A waist level finder is lighter, smaller, and costs as low as $35.

Hacking an FTn prism finder just makes my skin crawl. Never mind that even a beat up one is likely more than $40 ... and then you have to basically destroy it. A WL finder remains useful and lightens the F2 by a lot.

(Yes, I did this with my F Photomic FTn when I used it with the 21mm lens years and years ago...)

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I have seen at bee-bay WL finder for about $80 for sale.
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I have seen at bee-bay WL finder for about $80 for sale.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Nikon-DW-1-...n/193135337496

$35 at present.

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I don't have a F body so hard to say, but if you want to go lighter ( are M's lighter than a F? ) with the lens maybe use it on a Nikon RFer? Or on a M with the appropriate Amedeo adapters? Do you have such adapters or do you have a Nikon RFer?
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Digital sensors can get damaged by such non-retrofocus lens. It cannot be used as is on the M8 or M9. I am sure of it. It has to be a film camera.

I have a Nikon RF camera and several Leica film RF cameras.
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Thank you for the tip. It will go higher in price soon, I think.
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Digital sensors can get damaged by such non-retrofocus lens. It cannot be used as is on the M8 or M9. I am sure of it. It has to be a film camera.

I have a Nikon RF camera and several Leica film RF cameras.
The Nikkor-O 21mm f/4 is specifically shaped to key into the Nikon F and F2 bodies, and shouldn't be used on anything else without understanding the keying and how to implement it.

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Thank you for the tip. It will go higher in price soon, I think.
There are others with Buy It Now listings in the $40 to $59 range. I just bought one myself, for $55, for my plain prism Nikon F. (I like waist level finders.)

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I need to load my F2 with B&W film and use the 21/4 again to get a feel for the lens.
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The last time I used my 2.1cm, on my Nikon F - Winter 2018:

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This image looks very nice. Thanks for posting it here.
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SRT with 21mm F4 MC 1 by Nokton48, on Flickr

SRT with 21mm F4 MC 2 by Nokton48, on Flickr

Darkroom print 4 XX ADOX Borax SRT101 21mm f4 by Nokton48, on Flickr

Darkroom print 3 XX ADOX Borax SRT101 21mm f4 by Nokton48, on Flickr

Darkroom print 2 ADOX Borax XX SRT101 21mm F4 by Nokton48, on Flickr

Minolta has a 21mm F4 that I like a lot.
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Thanks for posting your beautiful images here.
I also own a Minolta Rokkor 21/4 non-retro focus lens that I can match an adapter Rokkor-LTM.
I like it a lot.
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