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Old 03-28-2019   #1
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Harassed by security guard in mall..

I like to run a roll of film through cameras I have just bought to make sure everything is working ok. Otherwise back it goes.
So today, I received a beautiful Leica R-E while at work. I loaded it, and went for a stroll in the local mall - the Westfield in Century City, Los Angeles.

I'm taking snaps of random stuff - signs, door fronts etc. No street photog per se, no pics of people. A security guard comes up to me and says I cannot use that camera, if I want to take pics I'm only allowed to use my iphone!
When I asked why, he said because I could be scoping. (his words). I asked him if he could direct me to where I could see rules and policies of the mall, where this may be written. Of course all I got was a blank look...
He then spent the rest of my time there following me around. Nice.

Anyway I sent an email to the mall asking if this indeed was a policy. Because it seems I could do far more creepy stuff with my phone than a 35mm film camera with 50mm lens!
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Old 03-28-2019   #2
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I was stopped from taking photos in a mall a couple of years ago. I didn't feel harassed and it wasn't worth arguing about.
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Old 03-28-2019   #3
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Back in 2010 I took some pictures in the Bullring in Birmingham and two security guys came and stopped me. They asked me to delete the pictures (I was using a Leica IIc) and when I told them that I obviously can't they escorted me out of the mall.
On the way out I asked why I am not allowed and they replied that they were not sure about my intentions (who is anyway?).
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Malls are boring. Bored women buying clothes and shoes
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i wonder how policies will change when smartphone cameras get "good enough." will they ban photography with all cameras? or will they let people take photos with "more serious" cameras?

anyhow, it's not illegal to take photos in malls since they are open to the public. but they can have rules that ban photography, and the security guards can enforce it however they want (like letting people use their smartphones and not letting people use film cameras). if they ask you to leave, you legally have to.
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No need to argue with the poor security guy. He's just doing his job. Just say "My apology, officer!" and move on. It happens to me so often (being escorted out of a shopping center, a public park, police pulling over my car and asking me to leave the neighborhood when I took pictures of trees!) that I'm not even spending a minutes of my thoughts on it anymore. The worst experience I ever had was at the National Mall in DC: I took pictures of trees and monuments at the National Mall in DC when armed military police on ATVs surrounded me and asked me to leave. I once passed by the White House -- on a public street and not even taking pictures! -- when a sniper in full camouflage came out of the bushes, pointed a sniper rifle at me and asked me to leave. Not to mention all the paranoid mothers in parks who shouted at me, thinking their kids are in grave danger because there was a camera dangling around my neck!

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Malls are private property and can set their own policies on photography on the site. Many will have notices at the doors about not allowing photography. Pretty common in most retail operations. For customer comfort, I think. Also to avoid future liability, etc.

And yep, it gets silly. I was in a local 'designer food' store (no, not that one, another one). I had a Rolleiflex around my shoulder. A manager approached me soon after I came in and told me that I couldn't photograph in the store. I asked why- retail display and design, and customer privacy. As we spoke, someone came along with a phone and took a series of photos of the vegetable diplay, aisles, etc. The manager watched him and said nothing. I asked him what was up there, and he mumbled something and then made it clear I was not to use my camera.

I've had security people tell me that I couldn't take a photo of a building entrance from the public sidewalk. I told him that he was wrong, had been misled by his managers, and he needed to call the police if he wanted me to stop. I feel bad for most of these people- they are doing what they are told to do and they are told BS by management. Then sometimes you get a power tripper. Including one who physically stopped me from going down the sidewalk and was insulted that the police who I called were telling him that he had committed assault. After a minute he realized that the police weren't kidding and he came to his senses and listened, then apologized to me. no charges pressed.

I've also been stopped and questioned in residential areas. One time the man was quite clear about his concern over photos of the kids in the area. He and I talked for a while and I think it went well for both of us. Other times, people are just a**holes. C'est la vie.
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it's not illegal to take photos in malls since they are open to the public.
Not true. Shopping malls are privately owned and they might have no-photography policies. At the very least they have a clause "The shopping center cannot be used for commercial or business purposes by visitors" (quote from the Westfield Mall regulations) and if you have a professionally looking camera, they'll chase you away because of that.

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Were you stopped by Paul Blart, Mall Cop?

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Malls are boring. Bored women buying clothes and shoes
You’ve never been to the Century City mall. Bored women buying Teslas!
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Not true. Shopping malls are privately owned and they might have no-photography policies. At the very least they have a clause "The shopping center cannot be used for commercial or business purposes by visitors" (quote from the Westfield Mall regulations) and if you have a professionally looking camera, they'll chase you away because of that.

Nothing like that sign at the Westfield Cent City mall. Lots of dogs there, they even have/had treats for them.

The mall is private and they can enforce their rules. But it’s just bizarre for thr sec dood to tell me to use my phone to take pics.
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I've had security people tell me that I couldn't take a photo of a building entrance from the public sidewalk. I told him that he was wrong, had been misled by his managers, and he needed to call the police if he wanted me to stop.
Try to take a picture in the public space next to a US Embassy anywhere in the world (and I mean taking a photograph of a random subjet and not photographing the Embassy itself) and you will be immediately surrounded by armed security guards asking you to surrender your camera. I always have been wondering what was the legal basis for that...

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In my city of Burnaby, BC, Canada in Oct 2012 at Metrotown Mall a 16 year old film photographer was assaulted by security and arrested (but not charged) by police.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...down-1.1134017

Here is a PEN Canada analysis piece on the subject of photography in public in Canada.

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No need to argue with the poor security guy. He's just doing his job. Just say "My apology, officer!" and move on. It happens to me so often (being escorted out of a shopping center, a public park, police pulling over my car and asking me to leave the neighborhood when I took pictures of trees!) that I'm not even spending a minutes of my thoughts on it anymore. The worst experience I ever had was at the National Mall in DC: I took pictures of trees and monuments at the National Mall in DC when armed military police on ATVs surrounded me and asked me to leave. I once passed by the White House -- on a public street and not even taking pictures! -- when a sniper in full camouflage came out of the bushes, pointed a sniper rifle at me and asked me to leave. Not to mention all the paranoid mothers in parks who shouted at me, thinking their kids are in grave danger because there was a camera dangling around my neck!

Maybe photography should be banned and confined to photo studios?
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Harrased? Since then asking not to take pictures of business property became harassment?
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Were you stopped by Paul Blart, Mall Cop?

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Not worth arguing over boring subjects that have already been posted on Instagram from cell phones thousand of times. There is plenty of beautiful subjects on the world (including my wife) waiting to be photographed.

If people ask to behave in a certain way on private owner places like malls or even on public places, don't argue and move on to other subjects. Your photos will end up with light flares and under/over exposed due to the bad vibe

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Whenever I am stopped in this situation (it does not happen often) I am pleasant, polite and more often than not compliant. I do not like it especially if I know I am actually in a public space at the time but the guys doing the security job are after all, just doing a job. No point taking it out on some poor shmo who is just trying to provide for himself and his family - especially when, as is so often the case, he himself is being polite to me.

I find that smiling and engaging the security guy in neighborly conversation almost always goes a long way and may even get them to withdraw their objections. I have even been stopped by a Police Chief Superintendent (a pretty senior job in their hierarchy) when I was photographing folks in a lane behind a government building. Technically I was not breaking the law this being a public space but I instantly understood his concern over security of the building and we had a fine and friendly chat when he satisfied himself that I was no threat. So much so that we stayed on smiling, nodding and chatting terms thereafter when we ran into each other in similar situations (usually with me doing the same thing - making photos).

The other thing I often do when this sort of thing happens is to get out my smartphone and show them my Flickr photostream. This usually succeeds in making them so glassy eyed once I insist on them looking at a series of photos, that they are only too pleased to let me get on with it.
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Harrased? Since then asking not to take pictures of business property became harassment?

I think, being asked to stop taking photos without a clear reason or policy, and then being followed around would be a clear example of harrassment.
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Whenever I am stopped in this situation (it does not happen often) I am pleasant, polite and more often than not compliant. I do not like it but the guys doing the security job are just doing a job. No point taking it out on some poor shmo who is just trying to provide for himself and his family - especially when, as is so often the case, he himself is being polite to me. I find that smiling and engaging the security guy in neighborly conversation almost always goes a long way and may even get them to withdraw their objections.
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I was once stopped by security in Macy's in Downtown Seattle just because I walked in with a camera hanging around my neck, as is my wont at most times.

I had no intentions of taking any pictures, but the security guy got all flustered, telling me in no uncertain terms that I couldn't take pictures in the store. So I said to him: "What makes you think I'm here to take photos?" He replied: "Well, you have a camera around your neck." "True, I do," said I, before adding: "...and I'm also wearing a pair of boxer shorts, but somehow I don't think you'll be seeing me boxing in here either!"

And with that, I just left him hanging on that thought.
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What's with the sexist generalisations about 'bored women' ... it's 2019 people!
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Westfield is well known as having an official "no photography" policy. The Simon malls are the same way.

The irony of course is that at any given moment, there's probably a dozen different people filming selfies right there in the mall, with their phones. I wonder if they ever get hassled?
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i wonder how policies will change when smartphone cameras get "good enough." ...
Wasn't that 3-4 years ago?
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Pretty hard to stop people from taking photos now. With electronic devices, it seems like some people have their smart phone glued to one of their hands.

Not long ago, at the Guthrie theater here in Minneapolis, no photos allowed was their policy. Now anyone can take photos in the theater before, at intermission and the end of the play.

https://www.guthrietheater.org/globa...licy_flyer.pdf

Notice the cost of wedding and portrait photography.

Some have woke up to the fact that this is the 21st century and taking photographs with electronic devices happens. Almost all the time!

As far as malls are concerned it’s just another nail in their coffin and an additional reason to buy from Amazon. By the way several malls here have a lot of available space to lease. Tongue in cheek, I wonder why?

Take a look here:

http://www.startribune.com/rosedale-...ace/507118882/

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Other shopping malls in the Twin Cities and across the country have added hotels and nearby apartments in recent years as the rise of online shopping has forced brick-and-mortar retailers to innovate.
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We all know that in a shopping mall like this, we are all being photographed without our permission by the security cameras on the property. They can do it but we can not ?
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Usually if a private concern has a rule it needs to be fair and enforceable on everyone. They cannot pick on one person but not another. You cannot exclude tall people or fat people. Cell phones have cameras, so if they had a rule that certain types of cameras are allowed but not others then they would need some rational for it. A camera is a camera is a device that can produce an image. Saying that you can use a 40 MP cell phone mounted camera but not 24 MP traditional camera or an approximately 8 MP 35mm film camera is arbitrary, and the person with the traditional camera is being discriminated against. Cameraist! Cameraist! Call the FBI! I am being discriminted against because my camera is not packaged in a cell phone that takes excellent quality images and can transmit them worldwide at light speed! I am poor and can only afford this old 1940s German Leica film camera. Are you discriminating against poor people here in Westfield Mall?
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The one time I was stopped by someone at a mall was in 2003(?) in a department store. There was a rather fetching Wedgwood teapot and I wanted a picture of it, so I took out my silver pocket camera and took a photo. Not very conspicuously, either.

A stern woman approached me and told me that I wasn't allowed to take photos in the store. I was polite and friendly, said I was sorry, and put away my camera.

Next thing I know, my friend said that we were being followed by a security guard. A security guard! I laughed and said I didn't give a shxx. This guy followed us around the department store until we left. What a pair of bozos.
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And yep, it gets silly. I was in a local 'designer food' store (no, not that one, another one). I had a Rolleiflex around my shoulder. A manager approached me soon after I came in and told me that I couldn't photograph in the store. I asked why- retail display and design, and customer privacy. As we spoke, someone came along with a phone and took a series of photos of the vegetable diplay, aisles, etc. The manager watched him and said nothing. I asked him what was up there, and he mumbled something and then made it clear I was not to use my camera.

At that point you should have said, 'Cool beans, man!' and whipped out your phone.
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Not true. Shopping malls are privately owned and they might have no-photography policies. At the very least they have a clause "The shopping center cannot be used for commercial or business purposes by visitors" (quote from the Westfield Mall regulations) and if you have a professionally looking camera, they'll chase you away because of that.
That's basically what I said, though a "no photography" policy in a privately owned area doesn't make photography in that area illegal. It's just against their rules, but they can't have you arrested for taking photos. They can have you arrested for not leaving the premises when they ask you, which is trespassing and therefore illegal.
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Wasn't that 3-4 years ago?
I wish they were "good enough" 3-4 years ago.
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Whether the laws say you can take a photo in a public space is no matter to the security guards. They'll always ask you not to photograph, even the law is not on their side. Since you either call the police to settle the disagreement, or oblige and move on. And they know very well 100% people will just let go. That's exactly what they want.
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He was worried you might be taking pictures of wayward students from Beverly Hills HS ditching their classes.
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Whether the laws say you can take a photo in a public space is no matter to the security guards. They'll always ask you not to photograph, even the law is not on their side. Since you either call the police to settle the disagreement, or oblige and move on. And they know very well 100% people will just let go. That's exactly what they want.
Actually, the law IS on their side if they ask you to stop and/or leave the mall, and yet you refuse to stop taking pictures and leave the mall. It's trespassing if you do that since it's private property, and then they have the right to call the cops to come arrest you.
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The thing I find challenging is when the security guard is all aggressive and up in your face from the get-go. It's hard not to feel defensive when that's the starting point and those exchanges rarely go 'well' from my point of view.

I never had success with equating some kind of similarity between mobile phone cameras and other cameras, it's like some mental disconnect that cannot be spanned.

When people are calm, things have been fine. I even pre-emptively seek out security guards if I feel like my presence could be too challenging for them. They are always fine when that's the case, often even a little embarrassed at even being asked.
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Malls = Private Property
They have their rules and will quote them all day long but ask them to show you the rules in writing and they won't...
They will allow anyone with a phone to shoot all they want because if they didn't no one would be allowed in the mall and then they would have to follow them around like they did to you or you could accuse them of singling you out and harassment...
Following you around a mall because you have a camera they feel you might use could be seen as harassment...
They will also try to quote some sort of Copyright crap but that wouldn't apply unless you profit off the photos you took in their mall...
Bottom line if you resist they will pull the Trespassing Card to get you gone...
Been there, done that...
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People seem to have become frighteningly comfortable with being pushed around.
As many here have noted, you would be able to get away with taking photos with a phone in any mall in the country, all day long, because it is too hard for the insecurity guards to tell if you are taking a picture with your phone or just checking your makeup. You know it, and they know it. So, pictures with a phone, no problemo. The same pictures with something recognizable as a “camera” are verboten. So, the rule about “no pictures” is enforced arbitrarily, so if you feel like you are being singled out in an unjustifiable way, you are. Simply because they can. That’s why the fact that it is “legal” doesn’t make it any less harassment. The word has a definition, and this fits it.

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Once back outside though, since it’s L.A., you can poop on the sidewalk and nobody will bother you much. But a camera in a mall, no sir! That’s wrong!
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I was stopped for photographing in a mall in CT some years back. Security Guard very sternly telling me that “no photographs can be taken on this property”. As he finished up his harrangue I pointed at the photo booth behind him and asked if I could use that camera. His response was “that’s not a camera”, then he escorted me to the door.
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I was stopped for photographing in a mall in CT some years back. Security Guard very sternly telling me that “no photographs can be taken on this property”. As he finished up his harrangue I pointed at the photo booth behind him and asked if I could use that camera. His response was “that’s not a camera”, then he escorted me to the door.
Is that mall still n business? I wonder what the vacancy rate is.
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Old 03-29-2019   #40
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Usually if a private concern has a rule it needs to be fair and enforceable on everyone. They cannot pick on one person but not another. You cannot exclude tall people or fat people. Cell phones have cameras, so if they had a rule that certain types of cameras are allowed but not others then they would need some rational for it. A camera is a camera is a device that can produce an image. Saying that you can use a 40 MP cell phone mounted camera but not 24 MP traditional camera or an approximately 8 MP 35mm film camera is arbitrary, and the person with the traditional camera is being discriminated against. Cameraist! Cameraist! Call the FBI! I am being discriminted against because my camera is not packaged in a cell phone that takes excellent quality images and can transmit them worldwide at light speed! I am poor and can only afford this old 1940s German Leica film camera. Are you discriminating against poor people here in Westfield Mall?

agreed! Yes, though of course, because I don't want to spoil my time, nor that of the poor security guy, I'd try not to be very confrontational and for a buddy like conversation, but certainly I'd also try to make my point explaining why he effectively is discriminating against a few without any logic and real basis that would justify that. Injustice should not be simply accepted out of laziness, justice always should and must be fought for.
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