Go Back   Rangefinderforum.com > Cameras / Gear / Photography > Leicas and other Leica Mount Cameras > Leica General Discussion / News / Rumors

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes

Will the new Panasonic Lumix S series give Sony real competition?
Old 09-25-2018   #1
CameraQuest
Head Bartender
 
CameraQuest is offline
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: over the hills from Malibu
Posts: 5,683
Will the new Panasonic Lumix S series give Sony real competition?

title says it all

the claims are certainly impressive

https://www.theverge.com/2018/9/25/1...photokina-2018
  Reply With Quote

Old 09-25-2018   #2
Emile de Leon
Registered User
 
Emile de Leon is offline
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 950
No flippy screen..no flippy my credit card...lol..
  Reply With Quote

Old 09-25-2018   #3
JP Owens
Registered User
 
JP Owens is offline
Join Date: Dec 2014
Age: 68
Posts: 357
My biggest problem with the latest offerings such as this is the "price is no object" philosophy in making them. Four thousand dollar cameras seem to be the new "sweet spot." Pretty soon, Leica cameras are going to look cheap!
__________________
_______

"Nothing exists beyond the edges of the frame."
  Reply With Quote

Old 09-25-2018   #4
Hogarth Ferguson
Registered User
 
Hogarth Ferguson's Avatar
 
Hogarth Ferguson is offline
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 630
Quote:
Originally Posted by JP Owens View Post
My biggest problem with the latest offerings such as this is the "price is no object" philosophy in making them. Four thousand dollar cameras seem to be the new "sweet spot." Pretty soon, Leica cameras are going to look cheap!

2k is my sweet spot, 4k, the camera would have to last 10+ years, but they come out with new ones every couple and make out like if you don't get the newest one, you can't shoot good photos.
__________________
My Website
  Reply With Quote

Old 09-25-2018   #5
kxl
Social Documentary
 
kxl's Avatar
 
kxl is offline
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Sunny SoCal
Posts: 2,982
This is a $5k camera. Add to that a Leica L-mount lens and we're talking about gear that is obviously targeting a relatively small population, based on price alone. That relatively small population will be sliced and diced even further to specific uses, i.e., those who are willing and able to spend that kind of money to get the very best for their professional or well-heeled amateur use (assuming the S series lives up to all of the claims). Within those specific uses, what are the alternatives? A Fuji GFX 50R in some cases?

Assuming it lives up to the claims, I think it will carve out a niche for itself. Will it give Sony real competition? Maybe within that specific niche, but in terms of overall universal FF mirrorless utility and function -- no, not even close.
__________________
Keith
My Flickr Albums
RFF feedback


"... I thought the only way to give us an incentive, to bring hope, is to show the pictures of the pristine planet - to see the innocence. ― Sebastiao Salgado
  Reply With Quote

Old 09-25-2018   #6
ptpdprinter
Registered User
 
ptpdprinter is offline
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 1,644
What are the respective MSRPs for the Panasonic S1 (24MP) and S1R (48MP) introduced today? Were any MSRPs announced for the three lenses also introduced?
__________________
ambientlightcollection.com
  Reply With Quote

Old 09-25-2018   #7
jsrockit
Moderator
 
jsrockit's Avatar
 
jsrockit is offline
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Santiago, Chile
Age: 45
Posts: 19,741
I just can't get into these cameras...they are all quickly becoming the same shape and size. Just like DSLRs.
  Reply With Quote

Old 09-25-2018   #8
Range-rover
Registered User
 
Range-rover is offline
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 2,141
And then there's the new 100 megapixel Fuji.
  Reply With Quote

Old 09-25-2018   #9
BillBlackwell
Registered User
 
BillBlackwell's Avatar
 
BillBlackwell is offline
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Orange County, CA
Age: 61
Posts: 858
Quote:
Originally Posted by JP Owens View Post
... Pretty soon, Leica cameras are going to look cheap!
I don't think you need to worry about Leica staying ahead of the curve!
  Reply With Quote

Old 09-25-2018   #10
Peter Jennings
Registered User
 
Peter Jennings's Avatar
 
Peter Jennings is offline
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Seoul
Posts: 560
So when are the affordable full frame digital cameras coming? In the days of film, there were pro 35mm models and models for regular people. Will such a thing not happen with FF digital? Are we the amateurs expected to just use our phones, wait a few years for used models, or settle for cropped sensors? Is there no democratization of FF digital coming?
  Reply With Quote

Old 09-25-2018   #11
aizan
Registered User
 
aizan's Avatar
 
aizan is offline
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Torrance, CA
Age: 37
Posts: 4,543
it's odd that panasonic didn't make a video-centric model, since that's what they're best at. it's going to be an uphill battle in the still photo market.
__________________
Ugly Cameras
  Reply With Quote

Old 09-25-2018   #12
Godfrey
somewhat colored
 
Godfrey's Avatar
 
Godfrey is offline
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 8,966
Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Jennings View Post
So when are the affordable full frame digital cameras coming? In the days of film, there were pro 35mm models and models for regular people. Will such a thing not happen with FF digital? Are we the amateurs expected to just use our phones, wait a few years for used models, or settle for cropped sensors? Is there no democratization of FF digital coming?
The Sony cameras are the democratization, and they're made like cheap junk IMO. You want real quality, you need to spend more money. It's that simple.

I've found I don't really need the likes of the Leica SL or these new Panasonics anymore. I have my M-D when I want a FF sensor, but I'm getting such good results out of the Leica CL with its APS-C format, I just don't see the need for the larger sensor very often at all.
  Reply With Quote

Old 09-25-2018   #13
Range-rover
Registered User
 
Range-rover is offline
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 2,141
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillBlackwell View Post
I don't think you need to worry about Leica staying ahead of the curve!
I really don't think Leica been ahead of the curve in years, there's to
much competition now.
  Reply With Quote

Old 09-25-2018   #14
Godfrey
somewhat colored
 
Godfrey's Avatar
 
Godfrey is offline
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 8,966
Quote:
Originally Posted by Range-rover View Post
I really don't think Leica been ahead of the curve in years, there's to
much competition now.
I think Bill was being sarcastic and referring to Leica's prices.

That said, whether ahead of or behind the mythical technological curve is no relevant. Leica cameras continue to make some of the best photos around in the hands of good photographers, and that's what matters more than any notion of being ahead of or behind a curve.
  Reply With Quote

Old 09-25-2018   #15
Huss
Registered User
 
Huss is offline
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Venice, CA
Posts: 7,223
Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Jennings View Post
So when are the affordable full frame digital cameras coming? In the days of film, there were pro 35mm models and models for regular people. Will such a thing not happen with FF digital? Are we the amateurs expected to just use our phones, wait a few years for used models, or settle for cropped sensors? Is there no democratization of FF digital coming?
They are here already.

Brand new Sony A7 is still being made and sold. $800 for 24mp FF sensor.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...al_camera.html

No need to buy used.
  Reply With Quote

Old 09-25-2018   #16
Range-rover
Registered User
 
Range-rover is offline
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 2,141
You're right, when I was in B&H the other day they had it on display. It's still a great
little camera, I wish the other companies would do the same.
  Reply With Quote

Old 09-25-2018   #17
Ko.Fe.
Kostya Fedot
 
Ko.Fe.'s Avatar
 
Ko.Fe. is offline
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: MiltON.ONtario
Posts: 7,107
Quote:
Originally Posted by jsrockit View Post
...Just like DSLRs.
Quote:
"They are been very difficult to deal with, very spoiled"
I'm, as very spoiled Canadian, want it to be small and OVF. Digital Minox 35 with APS-C sensor. But I guess here is not enough those who are willing to scale focus. Most are spoiled with AF
  Reply With Quote

Old 09-25-2018   #18
benlees
Registered User
 
benlees is offline
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Edmonton, AB
Age: 47
Posts: 1,484
Not sure what I was expecting, but I'm amazed that Canon, Nikon, and Panasonic are basically just copying Sony. Might as well share a mount.
__________________
flickr
  Reply With Quote

Old 09-25-2018   #19
Peter Jennings
Registered User
 
Peter Jennings's Avatar
 
Peter Jennings is offline
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Seoul
Posts: 560
My last comment was somewhat tongue in cheek, but I still find it strange that we don’t yet have new mirrorless cameras with FF sensors available for less than a grand. I have the original A7, and it suits me fine right now. But after having it a few years, it’s odd that it is still the only option available at that price point. I don’t know. I assume I’m out of touch. I just find that the camera market these days is in a weird place.
  Reply With Quote

Old 09-26-2018   #20
Calzone
Gear Whore #1
 
Calzone's Avatar
 
Calzone is offline
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Hell Gate, Madhattan
Age: 61
Posts: 9,754
Quote:
Originally Posted by Range-rover View Post
I really don't think Leica been ahead of the curve in years, there's to
much competition now.
Bob,

There are a few things Leica was ahead that you discounted. First is they developed the "L" mount. The new Panasonic's will have dual card slots and be weather sealed like my SL.

Don't forget the SL's electronic VFer.

You are otherwise correct. In many other ways Leica was not ahead of the curve. It will be very interesting how Leica counters the Panasonic offerings. I would expect a few surprises.

Cal
__________________
"Vintage Hipster"
  Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 23:41.


vBulletin skin developed by: eXtremepixels
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

All content on this site is Copyright Protected and owned by its respective owner. You may link to content on this site but you may not reproduce any of it in whole or part without written consent from its owner.