The new Nikon Z and Leica lenses..
Old 08-23-2018   #1
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The new Nikon Z and Leica lenses..

"By seemingly breaking the laws of optics with just 16mm of flange distance, Nikon can now deliver smaller and lighter cameras and lens designs impossible in any other mirrorless system."

Will the new Nikon work better with Leica glass than the Sony cameras?
Form/menu factor definitely is much better, as is build quality.

Very interesting!
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Old 08-23-2018   #2
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Will the new Nikon work better with Leica glass than the Sony cameras? Form/menu factor definitely is much better, as is build quality.
Even though the flange to sensor distance is 2mm shorter for the Nikon than the Sony, the flange plus adapter to sensor distance for a Leica lens adapter would be the same, so unless they have optimized the micro lens array as Leica did, I would not expect any improvement. I couldn't comment on the superiority of the ergonomics and menu system over Sony without actually using the Z6/Z7. Can't speak to Sony vs. Nikon build quality either. I rented a Sony A7II and used it for a week, and thought the build quality was fine.
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Old 08-23-2018   #3
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I think what is most important is how thick is Nikon's sensor glass?
Sony provides the sensors... but perhaps to Nikon's specs?
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Old 08-23-2018   #4
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"....smaller and lighter cameras and lens designs impossible in any other mirrorless system."

Will the new Nikon work better with Leica glass than the Sony cameras?
Form/menu factor definitely is much better, as is build quality.

Very interesting!
The way I read this is that the sensor is different suggesting that the shallow angle of light coming in at the edge of the frames is less of a problem and this does suggest that it could be better with other lenses.

I agree that it's very interesting!
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Old 08-23-2018   #5
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I just picked up the perfect camera to use my Leica lenses. A clean, used Monochome M246.
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Old 08-23-2018   #6
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I just picked up the perfect camera to use my Leica lenses. A clean, used Monochome M246.
Correct answer is Leica M5.
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Old 10-06-2018   #7
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Breaking news - Nikon's sensor glass is 1/2 the thickness of Sony's!
This could be very good news. But now that Panasonic has announced their FF l mount camera I'd wait to see how that pans out...

http://kolarivision.com/nikon-z7-dissasembly-teardown/
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Correct answer is Leica M5.
The correct answer is anything with a native M-mount. Adapting M-mount is tom-foolery.
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Correct answer is Leica M5.
Don't know much about Leica but this sounds most correct.
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The correct answer is anything with a native M-mount. Adapting M-mount is tom-foolery.
But that wasn't the question. This topic is about how the Nikon Z may work with M glass.
There are quite a few people out there who have a whole assortment of different lenses/mounts and want one body to work with all of them. And others who may already have M lenses but want a non Leica body to use them on, due to the price factor of new M cameras, the absolutely horrendous support if service is required (in the USA), or want a more current (and higher MP) sensor than what Leica offers.
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But that wasn't the question. This topic is about how the Nikon Z may work with M glass.
There are quite a few people out there who have a whole assortment of different lenses/mounts and want one body to work with all of them. And others who may already have M lenses but want a non Leica body to use them on, due to the price factor of new M cameras, the absolutely horrendous support if service is required (in the USA), or want a more current (and higher MP) sensor than what Leica offers.
my thoughts indeed...
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Correct answer is Leica M5.
Sorry, but the M 246 crushes it.

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Old 10-09-2018   #13
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Wait till Sigma brings out that mirrorless FF foveon with M mount beauty.

Problem is they will be asking 4 to 5 grand USD for body only.
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Sorry, but the M 246 crushes it.

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Leica made 241 different M models after the M5?
What year is this? How long have I been asleep?
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241 different M .... haha great joke !!
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Old 10-20-2018   #16
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@Huss: I guess, the first question is: is there someone prepared to build an adapter?
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@Huss: I guess, the first question is: is there someone prepared to build an adapter?
http://www.novoflex.de/en/products-6....html?rgerg=31

Already here since it's not rocket science.
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http://www.novoflex.de/en/products-6....html?rgerg=31

Already here since it's not rocket science.
149.00 -- that's a steal, compared to Nikon's chunk of an adapter!
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http://www.novoflex.de/en/products-6....html?rgerg=31

Already here since it's not rocket science.
What do they mean by this?:

"Due to the construction of the Leica M bayonet, uncorrectable imaging errors may appear during longer exposure times"
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What do they mean by this?:

"Due to the construction of the Leica M bayonet, uncorrectable imaging errors may appear during longer exposure times"
What do they mean by this?:

Most likely light leak between lens flange to adapter surface during long exposure, this can and does happen in adapter/lens connection.
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Old 10-25-2018   #21
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Leica M glass apparently works fantastic with the Nikon Z. Including wide angles!
So you now have a 46mp camera with state of the art sensor that works w/o issues w M glass (unlike Sonys with their smearing due to sensor cover thickness).
I'm tempted to trade my M240 M100 anniversary edition for a Z7. I tested a Z7 in the store, and the build, handling, menus and EVF are outstanding.

Still curious to see what the upcoming Panasonic will bring.

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/to...75/10#14639255
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Old 10-25-2018   #22
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I had the chance to handle the Z7 a few weeks ago, and it really does feel great. The shutter has a lovely damped sound, the grip is contoured but not too big at all, and with the 24-70 it feels very well balanced. I've never used a Nikon before, so it was interesting to see where all the buttons were. For the following week, I mulled over whether I should finally put Nikon on the want-list, haha. Knowing that it works well with Leica lenses pushes even more in its favour.
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Huh, might as well update this thread.
Soooo... I bought a Z7 and a bunch of adapters. Including one for the Leica lenses.
And then tested a bunch of my M mount lenses on the Nikon.

Long story short... M glass still works better on my M240. So much for that.

On the upside, sold my D850 as the Z7 has more accurate AF with my Sigma Art lenses. It nails focus all the time. But the D850 handles much better and has better controls.
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Old 01-10-2019   #24
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a marriage of the D850 ergonomics and the Z-platform is in order.
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