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Old 07-27-2018   #1
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Fuji Considering Bringing back B/W FILM

Apparently not official yet,
but apparently at least a possibiity

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Old 07-27-2018   #2
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Thanks.
We are already discussing that topic for quite a time in the film sub forum. John Sypal of "Tokyocamerastyle" was the first who reported about that story and posted a picture of the original article on his instagram account:
https://www.instagram.com/p/Blp0d2In...kyocamerastyle


To the article of John Aldred:
"Fujifilm has spent the last few years systematically killing off all their film."
That is of course not true in such a generalisation. Fujifilm is offering lots of different film types. And their instax is by fare the most popular film of all in the market. They are selling more than 40 million packs of it p.a. It is a mass volume product.
Sad that lots of bloggers are going for click-bait by posting lies or too strong simplifications.

"But it’s very interesting that Fujifilm seems to actually be listening and taking the feedback seriously. So, if you want your favourite Fujifilm black & whites back, let them know. Say it loud and proud!"
I completey agree here!
And I've already done that and contacted Fujifilm in my country. The more that customers get in contact with them, the better.

By the way:
Fujifilm North America seems to get more and more active in promoting and selling their film:
1. They've just introduced complete new 3-film packs of Superia 400. New packaging units with new design.
I think you only invest in new packagings if you want to serve a market in the long term.
http://www.fujifilmusa.com/products/...400/index.html

2. Fujifilm NA has opened a Fufilm Wonder Shop in NYC. There they offer not only all the instax stuff, but also
- all their conventional films
- in-house film processing (even with rebates if you bring in several films at once)
- workshops for film photography
- they promote film use intensively and daily via their instagram account:
https://www.instagram.com/fujifilm_profilm/?hl=de
They organise also competitions in which you can win free films.

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Old 07-27-2018   #3
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What bugs me is then Instax pushed as film.
The only film I know is one I could use in film camera and then use it as film.
Instax gives no film, but tiny and crappy, glossy, dull print. And actual film is tossed into garbage.
Yes, I'm thankful to Fuji for been able to walk into Shoppers Drugmart anywhere and buy one type and only of c-41 so-so film. Just like I could get Kodak one and only OK C-41 film in Walmart.
But somehow better Kodak film at Walmart is three times cheaper than Fuji film in GTA Shoppers.
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What bugs me is then Instax pushed as film.

I agree with you. Instax is always held up as the shining example of a film that is growing year after year. While I agree that it is indeed a "film", and there are a great many members here who use it too, its not really what I think of when I click on a thread about "film". Instax does have its own sub-forum I think? Its almost as if we're being covertly persuaded to overlook their other discontinuances because, hey look, Instax is selling great!
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Old 07-27-2018   #5
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What bugs me is then Instax pushed as film.
The only film I know is one I could use in film camera and then use it as film.
Instax gives no film, but tiny and crappy, glossy, dull print. And actual film is tossed into garbage.
But fact is that Instax and Polaroid are films. All have a negative film base in it, which is produced like other negative film. On the same coating lines.
That keeps for example the coating line at Inoviscoat in Germany running. Only because of the increasing instant film volume they can economically survive and are also capable of producing other products, like e.g. the Bergger Pancro 400 film, or the Lomography Tourqouis film.
And instax makes it possible for Fujifilm to keep their film factory in Tokyo running. And also produce the standard films.
Foma needs X-ray film and paper to run their coating line at sustainable capacity. Agfa, Belgium, needs X-Ray too (they need also PCB films to survive).

Ilford needs BW paper.
Kodak needs movie film production.
So in the end, almost no one in the industry can survive with only producing standard film in the current market situation.
Therefore I am very thankful for all the other products - instant film, X-Ray, PCB, paper etc. - because they support standard film production.
We should open our eyes for the real market situation: All silver-halide products are more or less in one ecosystem.

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Old 07-27-2018   #6
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I've never shot Fugi B&W, but this is good news all around if it's true. Never good when film goes away.
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Old 07-27-2018   #7
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Now that I think about, I've never used any Fuji b/w film. Some casual color film on the 90's but mostly stuck on Kodak b/w, color and slide and Ilford/Agfa for b/w. Somehow, never had any incentive for using/looking for Fuji. I try other films now and again for various reasons (price, special image quality, buzz, etc.) but somehow Fuji never where specially cheap or saw anything that could pull me out of my way to try them. Never a conscious thing.

That said,it is always good to have more options and seems like lots of people like them so kudos for them.

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Old 07-27-2018   #8
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Hate to be the one to spoil the party, but I really wouldn't get my hopes up about this. The language supposedly used by Fujifilm as reported in the Japanese language article here sounds to me much more like an attempt to soften the criticism Fujifilm is receiving domestically than anything else.

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thanks for the infor jon. It seemed that way to me as well, judging from Fuji trend.


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I never used Acros but was a big user of Neopan 1600. I do miss that film.

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Old 07-27-2018   #11
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I used their B&W films only a few times and preferred Kodak, Arista and Ilford, so it's not a big thing on my radar.
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Old 07-27-2018   #12
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For a long time Fujifilm Neopan 400 was my favorite 35mm film. When I heard it was being discontinued I scrounged everywhere and stocked up. I still have a fair amount of bulk rolls and factory pre-loads in my fridge and freezer, but I'd be very happy if they started making it again.
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Old 07-27-2018   #13
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Who cares about what Fuji does..only takes sales away from the lil guys trying to survive..
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Old 07-27-2018   #14
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It would be great if Fuji could revive production of their films - I loved Neopan 400 and only discovered their 1600 offering when it had already ended...both were utterly fantastic by every metric I use film for (sharpness, grain, tones).

I don't shoot a lot of slow B&W film but their Acros 100 is noteworthy for having almost no reciprocity failure...that's impressive all on its own.

Fingers crossed. I'd shoot 400 or 1600 very regularly.
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I never used Acros but was a big user of Neopan 1600. I do miss that film.

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I agree. I probably only used a couple of dozen rolls of acros in my life. Neopan 1600...probably 1500-2000 rolls. I only have 14 rolls left.
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Old 07-27-2018   #16
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I’d love to try Neopan 400 or 1600, as I’ve no idea what they offer over HP5 orTri-X.
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I’d love to try Neopan 400 or 1600, as I’ve no idea what they offer over HP5 orTri-X.
Different contrast profile...and grain. ilford Delta 3200 is quite a bit more gritty looking...Neopan 1600 to me seems a lot smoother. I consider Neopan 1600 a less sensitive Kodak 3200.
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Neopan 400 is nice. Still got a brick of it in the freezer and hesitate opening it.
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Neopan 400 is nice. Still got a brick of it in the freezer and hesitate opening it.
That image typifies what I remember and liked about it ... those whites and deep blacks.
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I liked Neopan SS (100) and 400/Presto.
They probably won't bring back either one.

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I’d love to try Neopan 400 or 1600, as I’ve no idea what they offer over HP5 orTri-X.
I've shot Neopan 400, HP5+, and Tri-X for about 16 years. I'd shoot one for a few years then switch when one of the others became cheaper or available as Freestyle private label. Always developed them the same.

Neither myself or anyone else has ever been able to distinguish one print from another by film type.

Will agree that Neopan 1600 can look a bit different.
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I'd think Kodak bringing back Plus-X would be more probable than Fuji caving in, and producing Acros again. Besides, doesn't Fuji trash the manufacturing plant once they make up their minds about discontinuing a film? Remember what they did with the pack film.


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ps: Ya hear that, Kodak? Plus-X, please!
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Besides, doesn't Fuji trash the manufacturing plant once they make up their minds about discontinuing a film?
No, the film factory is well and running. Currently producing more than 60 million films / film packs p.a. in total. In their last financial report Fujifilm has also explained the strategy target to increase their market share of X-Ray films (there is increasing demand for X-Ray films from Asian emerging economies, especially China).
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Neopan 1600 was a brilliant film at EI 800. And Acros 400 was my go-to general purpose film. I had hoped that Ilford would cut a deal with Fujifilm, but perhaps they are happy with their current offerings.
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I'd think Kodak bringing back Plus-X would be more probable than Fuji caving in, and producing Acros again. Besides, doesn't Fuji trash the manufacturing plant once they make up their minds about discontinuing a film? Remember what they did with the pack film.


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ps: Ya hear that, Kodak? Plus-X, please!

Fuji has brought back discontinued films several times. Neopan 400 had a second life as did Velvia. I doubt Acros is coming back but if anyone can do it, Fuji can.
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That image typifies what I remember and liked about it ... those whites and deep blacks.

I grabbed all I could when Neopan 400 was discontinued the second time. I lost count how many bricks I bought but I have not had to purchase any 400 speed black and white film in 35mm size in many, many years. I still have a lot left.
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If they bring back Neopan 400 or more spectacularly, 1600, I'm going to have to buy into film again. My body is ready.
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...or more spectacularly 1600
That would be awesome (but I have my doubts), my all time favorite b/w film.

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That would be awesome (but I have my doubts), my all time favorite b/w film.

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I never had the chance to shoot that film. I sure would like it to reappear so that can be changed.
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INSTAX Media Is Film.
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INSTAX Media Is Film.

So it's not about analog vs digital anymore? Now we have to consider how the negative is developed too?

An INSTAX image is completely analog. The film is is an integral film. There is a negative. The only difference is the negative is developed in camera. In fact, it's even possible to separate the negative from the positive and reuse it (link).

By any measure, INSTAX media is film.
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By any measure, INSTAX media is film.

The problem is not about film vs. film, or film vs. digital.
It is about taking back control from the company to the consumer.


Why do you think Fuji likes Instax very much, but discontinues film rolls?
IMHO, it is because Instax is a very proprietary format, without much competition (apart incompatible brands like Impossible Project and Lomo).
When Fuji asks about 16 euro for an Instax recharge, Instax users have to accept.
When Fuji asks 16 euros for 1 roll of Velvia, consumers can reply "f*** off".


With one film camera in the pocket, the consumer is very independent of any camera or film makers.
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I agree. I probably only used a couple of dozen rolls of acros in my life. Neopan 1600...probably 1500-2000 rolls. I only have 14 rolls left.


Wow, Would love to know the time span for you to consume that huge amount of films. I never tried neopan 1600
But I really like neopan 400. But as people said, we still have hp5 or trix só no big deal finally.


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I'd think Kodak bringing back Plus-X would be more probable than Fuji caving in, and producing Acros again. Besides, doesn't Fuji trash the manufacturing plant once they make up their minds about discontinuing a film? Remember what they did with the pack film.


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ps: Ya hear that, Kodak? Plus-X, please!


In the mean time, would fp4plus makes you happy?


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Good if they do. Won't hurt if they don't.

My Neopan stock dried up last year and was replenished with many bricks of HP5+ - which makes me feel comfortable enough not looking back. I think we had a period during which a "new" (mostly rebadged Kentmere or Fomapan) 135 B&W film comes out every month or so not long ago. Too many of them already.

Hope I could take it as a remote sign. If only Fuji would bring the color ones back...the 120 negs and slides...
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I've shot Neopan 400, HP5+, and Tri-X for about 16 years. I'd shoot one for a few years then switch when one of the others became cheaper or available as Freestyle private label. Always developed them the same.

Neither myself or anyone else has ever been able to distinguish one print from another by film type.

Will agree that Neopan 1600 can look a bit different.
Just looking at my prints I can tell my TMax400 prints when they're next to one of my Tri-X prints, assuming the prints are the same size which in my case they almost always are.

But if I compare two traditional grain films like Tri-X and HP5 I certainly can't tell one from the other, so I don't care all that much which one I use.
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In the mean time, would fp4plus makes you happy?
I've been using a lot of FP4 recently and it's certainly a fine film, but there does seem to be something special about Plus-X. I haven't looked at the curves or anything but I definitely prefer Plus-X and hope it comes back one day. I still have a few remaining rolls of Plus-X so this would be a fine time for Kodak to reintroduce it. :-)
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So it's not about analog vs digital anymore? Now we have to consider how the negative is developed too?

An INSTAX image is completely analog. The film is is an integral film. There is a negative. The only difference is the negative is developed in camera. In fact, it's even possible to separate the negative from the positive and reuse it (link).

By any measure, INSTAX media is film.
Unless I missed it, I didn't see any mention of Instax film in the linked article, only Polaroid integral films. Would the same technique work on Instax films? If it's possible to separate negative from the positive for Instax, I'd love to know how.

I've recovered the negative from the FP-100c peel apart pack films, but of course Fuji has also discontinued that product.
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I loved the Neopan 400 and 1600 film. Neopan MF roles where my favourite. I'm shooting lot les nowadays, so....
The only thing it would excite me, would be the peel of range! I would love to shoot proper pictures with my Polaroid 600SE! But the chance, it wil happen is very low, I assume!
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Unless I missed it, I didn't see any mention of Instax film in the linked article, only Polaroid integral films. Would the same technique work on Instax films? If it's possible to separate negative from the positive for Instax, I'd love to know how.

I've recovered the negative from the FP-100c peel apart pack films, but of course Fuji has also discontinued that product.
I had the same question. I recently bought an Instax SQ6 and will try the Polaroid negative-separation technique on some square format Instax film. Curious as to what will happen.

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