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Old 07-17-2018   #1
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M2 black paint takes a dip in the river

"I never really understood how people baby things and don't bring their gear in certain conditions or even areas", the photographer said. "I use my ****".

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Old 07-17-2018   #2
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"miguelrisigil: Thats how you pre-soak film before developing."
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Old 07-17-2018   #3
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This is very good for lubricating the shutter.


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Old 07-17-2018   #4
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Now we know how some of those black paint M2s acquired the 'patina' that makes them so valuable.
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Man, that turns my stomach. Don't trash good equipment 'cause you're careless.

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Old 07-17-2018   #6
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Wow...

I have to agree that is just careless!

Best of luck getting all that brown water out of the RF. “Some internal dust”
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i'm all for using your gear. No one likes a shelf queen.

But this is abuse.

If resold, it would still fetch a stupid amount too.
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Saw on your FB feed … pleased it turned out ok and came to no harm.
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Nick (the guy in the picture) is a beast and so is the camera, as it is apparently working fine. Don't tell people what to do with their stuff, even more so if they use it and use it well.
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Nick (the guy in the picture) is a beast and so is the camera, as it is apparently working fine. Don't tell people what to do with their stuff, even more so if they use it and use it well.
Wow... Sounds a lot like the guys who threaten anyone who is not a Pro-Choice...
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To me if camera is out of the bag and not on the strap around neck- it is already stupid negligence. I learned it with my M4-2 hard (concrete) way.

But if someone went on kayak and flipped over with film Leica, I understand.
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Nick (the guy in the picture) is a beast and so is the camera, as it is apparently working fine. Don't tell people what to do with their stuff, even more so if they use it and use it well.
I think nobody has told anyone how to use their stuff here.
I agree with you that no one can tell me how to use my stuff but I'd be a hypocrite not to admit that it hurts to see a camera that has survived many decades being used in such a careless way, as if it was a disposable piece of crap.
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Call me crazy, but I think that camera is going to let in water like a leaky boat.
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Let's give this a practical turn - what's the best course of action if something like this happens, be it negligent or accidental or on purpose? Washing some more with clean or distilled water? I'd sure do that if it was sea water, I guess in the case of muddy fresh water it's debatable? Then disassemble a bit and dry? Would it be worth trying it out or send it for an overhaul straight away?
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I would not even treat my weather resistant Fuji like that.
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Nick (the guy in the picture) is a beast and so is the camera, as it is apparently working fine..
He is a beast? What does that mean?
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Did he have a 'fisheye' lens attached??

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He is a beast? What does that mean?
I think it means he takes a lot of pictures, and I guess they are good.

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I know him from flickr with younger face and more dalish mustaches. He seems to be better while earlier on the Flickr. IMO.
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Old 07-17-2018   #20
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Let's give this a practical turn - what's the best course of action if something like this happens, be it negligent or accidental or on purpose? Washing some more with clean or distilled water? I'd sure do that if it was sea water, I guess in the case of muddy fresh water it's debatable? Then disassemble a bit and dry? Would it be worth trying it out or send it for an overhaul straight away?
If something has been immersed, Ie. not splashed but completely submerged for long enough to let water flood the casings I would recommend rinsing it in clean water several times. I’d certainly open the back to hasten this after first rewinding a film if needed. Obviously you try to avoid getting a camera flooded internally but, if it’s already occurred—clean fresh water is far better than salt, and better than fresh water containing minerals etc. It is not a case of damage prevention, this has already occurred, it’s about harm minimisation. Ingress of water will cause numerous problems in a camera, including demineralised water—however this is potentially less damaging than dirty fresh water, let alone salt water which, realistically, will probably kill most cameras, economically at least, no matter how rapid and diligent any subsequent rinsing might be.
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Old 07-17-2018   #21
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It's a tool; not a piece of jewelry.

At least he's using the camera, not a "fondler" or a snap shot warrior like so many other Leica owners.

It you're out there doing stuff, crap happens. I dropped an M4 into three feet of salt water ten or so years ago.

You don't think some photojournalist in the 60's didn't abuse their cameras way more?
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You don't think some photojournalist in the 60's didn't abuse their cameras way more?
You may have seen photos of Winogrand's M4. To me that's the perfect example of a camera that has been used, heavily used, certainly not gratuitously abused.
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Shwoing the fish in the river what a real M camera is like was a good deed! Fish have to know it.
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Yeah, I use my cameras too. The black paint ones are well worn. And I've fallen in the local lake once, luckily when I wasn't carrying a camera (I was trying to return a stranded and somewhat dehydrated frog to the water). I've used my Leicas when wading in Hungarian Furdo, too, but the footing there is good. I'm assuming this was an accident and someone photographed him. If not...

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Shwoing the fish in the river what a real M camera is like was a good deed! Fish have to know it.
Buy a man a fish and he'll eat for a day.
Teach a man to fish and he'll eat for a lifetime.
Teach a fish to use a Leica and.... wait, what were we talking about?
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Teach a fish to use a Leica and....
we'll have lots of catfish pics.
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Old 07-17-2018   #27
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Treating gear badly is a sure way to have it let you down when you don't want it to. If this doesn't bother you then so be it - it would bother me and my gear is well-used and shows the results of being well-used. But its not abused ....
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Treating gear badly is a sure way to have it let you down when you don't want it to. If this doesn't bother you then so be it - it would bother me and my gear is well-used and shows the results of being well-used. But its not abused ....
Exactly. Hammering on your gear just means it may fail when you need it the most.
Imagine if the owner of that dunked Leica then just witnessed Big Foot riding the Loch Ness monster while waving to a hovering UFO. He wouldn't have been able to capture that moment because he broke his camera.

All kidding aside, this is why I think the Nikonos V is the best 'street' camera ever. It has a crackin lens, can take more abuse than anything out there, and is waterproof. Humongous VF, AE and manual exposure, easy scale focusing. And cheap.
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Nick looks like he's fly fishing for trout and has a large one that he's releasing. As a fellow fly fishing nut, I can say two things: (a) when a big one is on, pretty much every other consideration goes out the window; (b) if I'm right and he's releasing the trout, I'm glad he's treating the trout right. As a valuable genetic reservoir since it's grown large and is thus "successful", the trout needs to go back to the environment safely -- in my book, that's FAR more important than a hunk of metal and glass that can be dried, cleaned, and (if necessary) repaired. While I don't bring my Leicas when I'm wading in rivers, I'm not gonna judge Nick once he was into the trout: he has his priorities right in my book. If I'm wrong, and he's killing the trout AND dunking the Leica, then I just have to sigh and shake my head.
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When working in lakes, I usually carry the camera on neck, then put it inside the wader. The only non-water proof thing goes under the water is my 7 EUR Casio F91W.
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does it still work? did it need to be repaired? how much did it cost?
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oh my Goodness, did not recognize Nicky
well Nicholas, were You skinny dipping...trout fishing... with your 35 summilux or was it the 40 cron
Crazy YOU, You always still make me laugh !!

I remember when Nicky gave up on his black paint MP feeling too Yuppie (LOL)
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I follow this guy.. here's the story: (spoilers, the camera is fine, not sure about the lens)

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There are multiple images if you click the pic. (or swipe if you're on your phone)
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Reading that it was just an accident I feel sorry for him but at least it's working fine.
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Dude makes some righteous images. As far as I'm concerned he can do whatever he wants with his cameras.
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Oh man, glad everything worked out.
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It’s not a question of babying or abusing an expensive camera: use the right equipment for the application. Get that man a Nikonos.

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