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Old 07-12-2018   #1
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M-E in-camera BW.

I went to this place which has horses not so long time ago...

M-E with Summarit-M 35 2.5 and yellow filter, set to in-camera BW.
I added Delta 100 profile in PP.


































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Old 08-18-2018   #2
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Another exercise with in M-E's BW. This time with the pinhole.



Technical info and more pictures here.
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All photos looks soft in an odd way. Could be my iPad? It’s hard to see whats the M-E and whats the PP. The B&W is good, but what is what?
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Thank you for checking.
Minimum PP in first post. Second has much more.
It looks odd on my iPad as well.
But first post pictures are normal and sharp on regular PC screen with good graphics card. Second post picture is pinhole and it is soft.
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Not familiar with the in-camera B&W with the Leica M-E. Can you give more details?

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Like photos 3 and 4
They look ok to me except the last one ... bicycle and extra wheel look odd ...rather strange
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when I had the M-E ...miss it, such a great camera really
I loved the f2.5 50 summarit



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35 summaron on ME

school is out...YAY to EXPLORE!
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40 Summicron on M-E

light gets in my eyes...
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Thank you, Helen. It is spare two tires. He was going to put them on today. This is the bicycle - https://www.virtuecycles.com/products/virtue-ortho.
My wife and I were impressed how yours Canon 50 1.8 LTM is rendering family portraits on M-E. In color. This week I took this lens apart and re-lubricated. Every time I look through its glass with flashlight I'm delighted for how clean it is.

For BW in M-E I prefer Summarit-M 35 2.5 (first post pictures).

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Not familiar with the in-camera B&W with the Leica M-E. Can you give more details?

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Here is not so much difference between how to set in-camera BW JPEG1 among most of the simple digital cameras. The difference is in how sensor records it in DNG, RAW and how camera process it in JPEG1 and then how you process it to your likings.
But post processing depends on camera recording/rendering, still. For example, I like to dial exposure compensation down and bring it up in PP. It gives results kind of similar to bw film pushing. It is close to exposing for highlights and developing for shadows.

M-E manual download is here.
https://en.leica-camera.com/Corposit...language=93871
Just have to hunt down to M-E instructions, German, English. I downloaded bunch of other crap before getting to it.
p.125, 129.
I have JPEG1 only profiles in M-E for BW and Color.
p. 149.

Yet, I still struggle to set M-E back to DNG from JPEG1 profile mode. I'm just pressing buttons until it show message - "are you sure to leave snapshot mode. Yes or No.", or something like this.
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I took it as JPEG1 color, but BW seems to be more adequate.










More I'm taking pictures with M-E, more I realise it could be about subjects you like, photocamera you like and rest doesn't matter.
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The M9 in camera black and white jpegs are very nice. I’ve achieved things with those that I can’t recreate in Lightroom from Raw file of the same image. I’ve been shooting JPEGs mostly in my M9 lately. Sacrilege.
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The M9 in camera black and white jpegs are very nice. Iíve achieved things with those that I canít recreate in Lightroom from Raw file of the same image. Iíve been shooting JPEGs mostly in my M9 lately. Sacrilege.
I wasn't game to say this Richard but couldn't agree with you more.
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... I realise it could be about subjects you like, photocamera you like and rest doesn't matter.
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Doesn't have the same tonal range as film. I do like the pinhole shot. The only digi camera I ever saw that did decent B&W (at least on the web images I looked at) is the Epson rangefinders. When you look at these images you see quite a difference.

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OK...let me take an expensive digital rangefinder camera and lens and then digitally soup the results. Why?
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OK...let me take an expensive digital rangefinder camera and lens and then digitally soup the results. Why?
The only soup related to photography terminology I know with my ESL, is film developing. Where is SOOC in analog cameras, Polaroid. And digitally SOOC is done as well. My avatar is SOOS. But it doesn't work always and then it has to be developed, processed, cooked with ingredients.
In my recent example I took it in JPEG1 color, but realized it is better in BW.
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OK...let me take an expensive digital rangefinder camera and lens and then digitally soup the results. Why?
When u shoot any digital camera, everything is digitally souped whether you like it or not.

I like the results of the ME and M240 in BW jpegs, but I found I liked the results more in RAW and converted with Nik SilvrFx. Plus I still had the RAW file.
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To be more precise: why take an expensive digital rangefinder camera and lens and then digitally soup the results so that the resulting pictures mimic an undefined analogue result. Why?
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To be more precise: why take an expensive digital rangefinder camera and lens and then digitally soup the results so that the resulting pictures mimic an undefined analogue result. Why?
One scenario is that someone prefers the look of film but, for one reason or another, finds the logistics of working with film difficult.

I've always found the digital simulations completely unconvincing, but I can empathize with those who can no longer work with film for whatever reason and are feeling the loss.
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To be more precise: why take an expensive digital rangefinder camera and lens and then digitally soup the results so that the resulting pictures mimic an undefined analogue result. Why?
Let's dive in and deep. M-E. BW.









All three are in prints.
One is lith contact darkroom print of digital negative on regular print paper. Another is Silver Efex enhanced file, print, scan of the print. And some of them is Silver Efex file, print.

Why? Because it is just awesome.
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Awesome it is. Great stuff Ko.fe.
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Let's dive in and deep. M-E. BW.

All three are in prints.
One is lith contact darkroom print of digital negative on regular print paper. Another is Silver Efex enhanced file, print, scan of the print. And some of them is Silver Efex file, print.

Why? Because it is just awesome.
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Let's dive in and deep. M-E. BW.

All three are in prints.
One is lith contact darkroom print of digital negative on regular print paper. Another is Silver Efex enhanced file, print, scan of the print. And some of them is Silver Efex file, print.

Why? Because it is just awesome.
Yeah boi now that's wut we're tawkin' about!
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Let's dive in and deep. M-E. BW.

All three are in prints.
One is lith contact darkroom print of digital negative on regular print paper. Another is Silver Efex enhanced file, print, scan of the print. And some of them is Silver Efex file, print.

Why? Because it is just awesome.
Super!

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Thank you, Helen, Richard and Robert!
Here is another method, which I'm not into, but it gives similar results.
One guy in Moscow opens digital picture on the screen, then photograph it on the film camera and prints on old papers in some similar to lith developer.
Link to example:
https://rangefinder.ru/glr/showphoto...r/6503/cat/500
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+2C after -20C. Temperature for digital. Cron 50 III with yellow filter and M-E in BW.





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OK. I'm not sure what is going on. The original post had a set of photos that I found too contrasty. After that, I saw a bunch of photos I liked a bit more from various photographers, inlcluding my friend Kostya.

I noticed a few images -- a set of photos from Kostya that he said were from the ME, but then said they were prints (darkroom?). I like them, but I'm just confused how the process went. Files from ME, then scanned, and a printed negative, then darkroom print?

I actually to that! That's one way I do my cyanotype and plat/palladium prints...
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These are nice. Both give me a sense of place and time. I love to drink beer and flip through photograph books. A favorite pastime. I also like to experience the geese flying through my valley in winter...always an emotional experience for me.

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Thank you, Jeff.
I was taking our daughter to skiing place, stopped for geese and after for beer at local brewery.

This thread has different examples of different bw methods.
As for printing, some are just regular ink bw prints from edited files and one is the contact print from negative (M-E image converted to negative and printed on regular paper).

Fresh example at one of yours paper :

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Good inspiring photos and processes...worthwhile to try...
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Superb BW images from Ko.Fe, and Helen.
I admire those shooting only Film, but I mostly use digital.
I was PJ in 60's~80's, later work more safe and steady..
We only had film, no other way except coating your glass like Sally Mann.
Film keeps doing price jumps.
In many cases a very inferior product compared to past..Tri-X perfect example.
Ko.Fe shows many styles, pinhole, weird looks on some, all very nice and creative.
I recently shot a Leica Mono and was totally left thinking "Is that all?".
I expected unbelievable sharpness, unbelievable tonal scale and immense files..
The "unbelievable' proved true!
My Film pix were sharper, better tonal scale etc..
Yet I love not cutting film, loading cassette, developing and scanning (very slow) on XP PC.
Once a new technology arrives, it's hard to go back!
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Thank you for checking.
Minimum PP in first post. Second has much more.
It looks odd on my iPad as well.
But first post pictures are normal and sharp on regular PC screen with good graphics card. Second post picture is pinhole and it is soft.
When you scale down the images to post yes they do become soft.... so you need to sharpen them for screen when you make the images smaller...
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Very nice image.
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When I had an M-E, I mostly shot RAW + B&W JPEG. I found the B&W better for checking focus when chimping, but oddly enough I ended up using a lot of those JPEGS as-is, even though mostly I use the digital for colour and always keep either M6, M4-P or Rollei 35S loaded iwht film for my B&W.
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Thank you all for checking this thread, adding pictures and giving nice comments!

Regarding JPEG1, I often like to do it for color as well. No DNG. I like 10 MP sized files. They are most practical ones, IMO.
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