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Does anyone still service CLEs?
Old 02-20-2018   #1
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Does anyone still service CLEs?

I had two CLEs, recently sold one but kept this one because it was so minty.
But it seems that it is on its last legs. Occasionally the film advance lever jams. It acts as if the film has already been advanced when it in fact has not.
When I removed the base plate, I noticed that this small nylon dogbone shape lever was out of place.

First image shows the position where the film lever (and shutter) will not advance:



Second image shows the correct position (i just moved it back with my finger), where the film winder now is able to advance.



Once I do this I can fire off a bunch of shots, but sooner or later it remains in position #1 and jams again. It does not matter if I leave the camera with the shutter cocked or uncocked, it still does it.
Nippon Photo Clinic told me they don't touch CLEs anymore..

Any ideas? It almost seems that that retaining spring that should pull the dogbone back into position is too weak/has lost its tension. I've heard whisperings about magnets getting dirty, but not sure what that means or where they are.

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On the upside it isn’t the electronics that went, which is why one is always told to avoid a CLE. I would suspect you could fine someone to do a mechanical repair.
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On the upside it isnít the electronics that went, which is why one is always told to avoid a CLE. I would suspect you could fine someone to do a mechanical repair.
I am hoping so but am bummed by Nippon Photo Clinic's reply as many say they are the go to people for Japanese camera repair. I included the pics I've attached above but I got the 'sorry no parts available' reply.
As you mention, this seems to be more of a mechanical issue that a curious tech could fix.
But what do I know?
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If not DAG, give Kanto a try.
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If not DAG, give Kanto a try.

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Been about 5 years but I just sent mine to an instate repair shop that claimed they could fix anything. And they did. Mine was the wonky shutter release.
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Been about 5 years but I just sent mine to an instate repair shop that claimed they could fix anything. And they did. Mine was the wonky shutter release.

Do you remember the name of that shop?
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Just a thought, but is that spring tail sitting on the proper side of the L shaped lever (above the short end)? Maybe move it to the other side of the pin?

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Old 02-21-2018   #11
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DAG replied that he only works on Leicas now because he has more work than he can handle and cannot get parts for the CLE. He did say it could be the small plastic gear behind the tripod mount as those can lose teeth. I don't think it's that because resetting the dogbone allows it to work again and doing that does not advance those gears.

Interestingly he also mentioned that the manual shutter speed settings can wear out. So to those out there who 'fix' their jumping LEDs by spinning that, don't.
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DAG has always had more work than he can handle.

This should not be difficult. I know a guy...but it's the same thing, all the good techs are busy.

Might try talking to Gus Lazzari.
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Neither of those is an electronics failure.
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Probably too late, but guy selling a parts camera on ebay for $80 or best offer and part is in there

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Minolta-cle...sAAOSwA7NaliXg

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Don't forget to contact Sherry Krauter at Golden Touch.
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Probably too late, but guy selling a parts camera on ebay for $80 or best offer and part is in there

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Minolta-cle...sAAOSwA7NaliXg

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Looking at this one it would appear that the springs on Huss's camera are in their proper positions. Likely something underneath the tripod mount plate that is amiss.

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Old 03-17-2018   #17
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Corrosion at power solder points to board or inside wire can cause resistance causing intermittent problems. I would check this first. Wire can corrode inside the insulation. My experience with Japanese cameras sometimes looks as if the solder resin was not cleaned off which I suspect accelerates corrosion....suspect. There is some sort of inertial wheel under the board that I moved to remedy shutter problem on my CLE. As I recall did not lubricate point but if tempted use minute amount as it will get slinged all over the place if too much! Also, have used high power flash discharging to correct LED stuck at lowest shutter speed. Do not use contact cleaner or careful not to get on mirror prism in rangefinder part as it will degrade mirror surface...major problem to avoid.
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Does anyone still service CLEs?

TLDR- cant find someone to service my CLE

So recently I took a gamble on a CLE from goodwill. Bought a box of 10 or so cameras, mainly for the CLE to go with my CL. I currently only have the 28mm Rokkor so i figured it would be cool to have a camera it was made for, and to actually get the framelines for the lens. Looks like it is DOA though.

-The shutter is cocked (The curtain showing has the white dots for the light meter reading, and no more room on the film advance arm)
-Despite using new batteries and several of them, the shutter will not fire
-I only occasionally get the battery check light to work. Sometimes it wants to light up, sometimes it doesnt. I think i have to have the on/off/self timer switch in the exact position or look at it in just the right way to make it work
-in auto i get no light meter reading
-Iíve tried firing it every way i can think of. Every shutter speed, auto, with the shutter button, with a cable release, nothing works, no response.

I have reached out to quite a few diffent Leica specialists, as well as other camera repair shops, the only answers I got were from DAG explaining how he no longer works on CLs or CLEs due to parts availability, and recommended to check with Nippon Camera Clinic (waiting on a response from them), Youxin Ye of YYE sent a short email back saying that he does not work on them and doesnt know of anyone who would, and all of the local shops are afraid to touch anything M-mount.

So really, I am just looking to see if there is anyone out there who is willing to take a look at this camera. Itís in great cosmetic shape, and i would prefer to send it out to get repaired at all possible before i end up having to sell it for parts or something like that. I would greatly appreciate any tips
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It has been several (3-4) years but a friend had Sherry at Golden Touch overhaul his with good results.
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If you call Sherry I'd recommend you approach as if you are asking the Queen of England for a favor. There are some threads here that have caused me to suggest that approach.

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This thread made up my mind from not investing in a CLE.
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It has been several (3-4) years but a friend had Sherry at Golden Touch overhaul his with good results.
I actually jut got an email back from her, she apologized that parts were not available and doesnt know where to send it. Thatís another one down.
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Read this thread https://www.rangefinderforum.com/for...&highlight=CLE

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Old 03-18-2018   #24
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Dave Easterwood has repaired and adjusted my CLE several times. It would be worth asking him about yours. Lack of parts can be a challenge for sure, but, the CLE shares some parts with other Minoltas and Dave has 3 storage units of parts. Sometimes fixing a camera amounts to cleaning a dirty contact or adjusting something rather than putting in a new part. I love my CLE.

Dave Easterwood in Chelsea Michigan. [email protected] (734) 433-2640‬

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Looks like all the Leica experts "just" assume parts need replaced. Even the CLE is still 95% or more mechanical. It's been awhile but I had two repaired by an outfit that claimed they worked on all cameras. Fixed them both. It's been awhile and I no longer remember who they were (wish I did). I'd suggest you pick one of the big outfits and just mail it to them. At worse you're out of the postage.
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I contacted DAG and Nippon Photo Clinic a couple of weeks ago. Neither work on CLEs anymore.
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Try this:

"Open the back of your CLE (make sure no film in camera ofcourse) and also remove the lens. Turn the camera ON and GENTLY try to move the shutter curtain with thumb and pointing finger in one way or the other. Perhaps this can release the shutter mechanism."


This was originally posted here 8 years ago. It worked for me, and I have had no problems with my CLE since.
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Hi,

I think the problem or dilemma is that it takes time to strip it down and then replace everything including a broken part and no one is going to pay for nothing more than the knowledge that it needs an unavailable part.

From the repairers' point of view it's just not worth doing because, with a few exceptions, you can't do a repair any other way but a complete strip own.

Of course, you could pay for so many hours work in advance and offer to let them keep it for parts if not possible to repair...

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Thanks for all of the responses guys, before I get into all of the responses, i actually was able to get it to fire. Once.

Last night i had the base plate off, just to take a look at the wires and connections to see if anything was visibly off, played around with it a little bit, and ended up winding the shutter a little farther by releasing the film wind mechanism, and using the film advance lever. Nothing really happened and I put everything back together. This morning, when I picked it up, the battery check light was working (its always hit or miss), i hit the shutter button and Ďclickí. It actually fired. Wound the film again and nothing. Itís right back to where it was. So at least for a brief second it worked. I may take some more time and dig into it a little more, but at least I know that it is somehow able to fire, and the boards inside arenít completely dead.

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Read through that thread, thanks for the link. May have a couple things to try there

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Dave Easterwood has repaired and adjusted my CLE several times. It would be worth asking him about yours. Lack of parts can be a challenge for sure, but, the CLE shares some parts with other Minoltas and Dave has 3 storage units of parts. Sometimes fixing a camera amounts to cleaning a dirty contact or adjusting something rather than putting in a new part. I love my CLE.

Dave Easterwood in Chelsea Michigan. [email protected] (734) 433-2640‬

Hope this helps.

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I actually have an email out to Dave, he was recommended by someone in a facebook group, one of the ones that I am waiting to hear back from

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Try this:

"Open the back of your CLE (make sure no film in camera ofcourse) and also remove the lens. Turn the camera ON and GENTLY try to move the shutter curtain with thumb and pointing finger in one way or the other. Perhaps this can release the shutter mechanism."


This was originally posted here 8 years ago. It worked for me, and I have had no problems with my CLE since.
I gave that a try, one of the first things actually, unfortunately it didnt help

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Hi,

I think the problem or dilemma is that it takes time to strip it down and then replace everything including a broken part and no one is going to pay for nothing more than the knowledge that it needs an unavailable part.

From the repairers' point of view it's just not worth doing because, with a few exceptions, you can't do a repair any other way but a complete strip own.

Of course, you could pay for so many hours work in advance and offer to let them keep it for parts if not possible to repair...

Regards, David
Above all, I totally get this. When I have reached out to people, its not like I was asking for a free estimate or something like that, I had offered and asked for prices on what it would cost me to have them just take a look at it, fully knowing that there is a chance that it was money wasted. I know time is really money to repair techs, and iím not looking to waste anyoneís time.
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Dave Easterwood has repaired and adjusted my CLE several times. It would be worth asking him about yours. Lack of parts can be a challenge for sure, but, the CLE shares some parts with other Minoltas and Dave has 3 storage units of parts. Sometimes fixing a camera amounts to cleaning a dirty contact or adjusting something rather than putting in a new part. I love my CLE.

Dave Easterwood in Chelsea Michigan. [email protected] (734) 433-2640‬

Hope this helps.

Steve Rosenblum
I got an update from Dave today, super helpful and up front, said parts are hard to come by for them, but he has some, and admitted that many times they arenít required.

I am actually impressed and thankful to get an email with complete sentences and some time put into it, so far DAG has been the only other place to do so. Looks like my camera will be sent out there by the end of the week
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Dave Easterwood has repaired and adjusted my CLE several times. It would be worth asking him about yours. Lack of parts can be a challenge for sure, but, the CLE shares some parts with other Minoltas and Dave has 3 storage units of parts. Sometimes fixing a camera amounts to cleaning a dirty contact or adjusting something rather than putting in a new part. I love my CLE.

Dave Easterwood in Chelsea Michigan. [email protected] (734) 433-2640‬

Hope this helps.

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Thank you for that info, I also will be reaching out to him for my CLE.
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Okay, this thread triggered a memory-I bought a used Nikon FG very cheaply. It too wouldn't fire. I knew it had a electronic shutter....I left it on for about an hour and it fired. I thought, "okay..." I left it on another hour...then it'd fire 3-4 times. I figured out that the capacators(sp) needed to be reformed like the caps in a flash that hasn't been used in a long time. I left it on overnight and then tried it the next morning. BINGO !

Your CLE might just have the same problem...buy some cheap MS76A batteries and see if this works.
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"What this website needs" is a CLE database. First and foremost a complete set of schematics for the device. Certainly there's a repair manual that includes this info. Anyone have an old CLE repair manual? How about schematics? Even if they're hand drawn. Someone somewhere has the schematics for this device. Or did they pass away without telling anyone where they've hidden them? Lost forever! Arrrrg! lol
Anyway, it would be nice if the info was available here (RFF) for reference.
Along with CLE owner's tales of woe and the effective repair solutions undertaken.
Back in the day I would send my CLE to Steve's in Culver City. Don't bother, they no long service them either.
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Okay, this thread triggered a memory-I bought a used Nikon FG very cheaply. It too wouldn't fire. I knew it had a electronic shutter....I left it on for about an hour and it fired. I thought, "okay..." I left it on another hour...then it'd fire 3-4 times. I figured out that the capacators(sp) needed to be reformed like the caps in a flash that hasn't been used in a long time. I left it on overnight and then tried it the next morning. BINGO !

Your CLE might just have the same problem...buy some cheap MS76A batteries and see if this works.
I have left my CLE on. Thing is, it turns off after a few seconds if there is no contact on the shutter button, so not sure if this would work. (hasn't with mine)
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I have left my CLE on. Thing is, it turns off after a few seconds if there is no contact on the shutter button, so not sure if this would work. (hasn't with mine)
One approach might be to sit and watch some March Madness and keep your finger on the shutter button through a couple of days/games. Not perfect, but easier than getting a vasectomy that they advertise for men here in the states......

Perhaps doctors should use the world cup watching should be used in similar manner....

Could you fool the circuit with some wire and a battery or resistor of some type? Remember it's a pretty old approach to activation (it's no smart phone).

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Kanto in Japan has recently shown a CLE in their Instagram feed, so I would suppose they will work on them. Not cheap, but reliable.
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I will certainly keep this updated. KEH also got back to me (I’m guessing places either get a lot of emails on thursdays, when I sent the majority of mine, or fridays and dont get back until Monday) saying they would take a look, with the cost of $342 to cover labor, cleaning and minor parts. Anything requiring more major work would have a new estimate, and if they cant repair it, they return it at no charge.

They also stated that any parts they have would be “good used parts, but they can be hit or miss”. Maybe parts from broken or bargain grade cameras they get in. So also an option, i already have it packed up and ready to go out to Dave, so that should be on its way tomorrow or Wednesday.
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I never thought of them, great idea!

Make sure you have tracking on it (USPS Priority Mail is my favorite).

Please keep us in the loop.

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