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who is going to line up for the new Thambar?
Old 10-17-2017   #1
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who is going to line up for the new Thambar?

http://us.leica-camera.com/Photograp...BAR-M-90-f-2.2
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Old 10-17-2017   #2
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I would love to try one out and get some sample images with it.
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who is going to line up for the new Thambar?
People with a lot of loose change.
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What is the anticipated cost for such a lens? I did not see the price listed. I may have missed it.

my guess: $7000?
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What is the anticipated cost for such a lens? I did not see the price listed. I may have missed it.

my guess: $7000?
U.S. price: $6,495.00.

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A diffusion filter on my 90/2.8 Tele-Elmarit will likely provide a very similar effect.
I will have to pass on this one.
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My guess was very close to the true price.
Once I will win zillion of Dollars somehow, I will get one. It looks like a cool lens to get and use if you have tons of money to burn.
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If Lomo made this and sold it for $700, people would lay an egg.

I'm waiting for the 7Artisans version for $29.99.
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If Lomo made this and sold it for $700, people would lay an egg.




Exactly!

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Old 10-17-2017   #11
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this thread brought the news for me. interesting lens, I will try once have that winning lottery ticket
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Bump for 7artisans making a 30$ clone! IDE buy that.
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Lensbaby made a pretty good version--their "soft focus optic"---they're about $50 on ebay. The rendition beats the Thambar, I think. It's interesting that Leica's sample pix showcase some of the worst effects you can get with this type of lens if you haven't shot one before. If you want to spend a bit more for a fancy mount, there's the Lensbaby Velvet 56.

No, the effect is not the same as a soft focus filter. The thing that draws people to real soft focus lenses is the increased depth of field at larger openings.
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Would luv to have one..but at $6500..for a 1 trick pony...
I wonder what it will do to the used Thambar market..those HK dealers...sittin on them..suddenly aint worth what they used to be..
For that kind of bread..I could get a Cooke SF for 4x5...the recent model used..for about 1/2 the price..
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Vaseline on the UV/haze filter on my 90mm Elmarit-M, same thing, cost, $.05

I guess some people with massively disposable income need new toys.

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Like many, I wish I had enough free cash to even think about it. no.

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Old 10-17-2017   #17
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If I had that much cash in my camera gear slush fund, I'd rather pay $4 more and get the Fuji GFX medium format body. I can always put a nose print on my Leica glass for much less.
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Old 10-17-2017   #18
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The sample photos give me a headache.
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Old 10-17-2017   #19
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This is just a lens for collectors.
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I suppose most of them will end up as collectible items, never to be used. Although I suppose that was the aim to begin with.

Its a good lens but like Pioneer said, there are better alternatives to get the effect.

Will pass.

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Old 10-17-2017   #21
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Would luv to have one..but at $6500..for a 1 trick pony....
That broke it's leg...
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Old 10-17-2017   #22
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Not sure that the optical character is the same as the Thambar, but Pentax offered a somewhat similar lens for the 6x7 cameras. It's a 120mm f/3.5 with manual diaphragm. B&H listed it for $699 new in 2006, but I got mine used from KEH.

Comment from Pentax: "The Pentax 120mm f/3.5 Soft Focus lens is a special-purpose lens useful when soft-effects are desired, either in portraiture or product photography. The soft-effect is greatest when the aperture is set wide-open and gradually sharpens when stopped-down. The diaphragm action on this lens is manual and focusing must be done at the shooting aperture."

Below photo shot with this lens at f/5.6 for a moderate softening effect.

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Old 10-17-2017   #23
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I dreamt of this fine lens being resurrected and it finally came true.

But that selling price is a bit off-putting to say the least.

For now I will stick with my OM Zuiko 85mm lens with a Zeiss Softar 2 which perfectly fits the front of the OM lens hood for that lens.
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Old 10-17-2017   #24
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shall we produce a quick list of all soft-focus lenses currently in production? i'd like to see a list of the alternatives.
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Old 10-17-2017   #25
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Surely the price should be in inverse proportion to its sharpness. Seriously, from the sample pictures, we are not talking character here, just a not very good lens at a very high price.
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Too bad it's not Lomo, who would price it more sanely...
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Old 10-17-2017   #27
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The price is high. But the price on complete used ones has risen over the past while to be around the $6-7000 mark, so it's not out of line with that. More likely they're both out of like and it should be in the $2-3000 range. But then again, what do I know...

I wonder what the original cost when new relative to other contemporary lenses?
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Old 10-17-2017   #28
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[quote]

Would luv to have one..but at $6500..for a 1 trick pony....

Huss..
That broke it's leg... [/QUOTE]

As it tumbled off a cliff...lol..as in... whats that sound..a pony makes..heading to the bottom of the grand canyon...lol..splat..
But really..there are SF lovers out there..that will pay it..and.. its a gonna be worth way more than your pricey m10..or ( 2 ) M240s..in 5 years..
I would buy it in a heartbeat if I really needed it..but my Noct F.1 does just fine as a kind-a SF wide open..but then again..90mm..and that quality..hmm,..even my splatted pony..would look better..with this lens..
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I thought the Nikon AF-DC 105mm might be a good substitute for this, while still being able to be used in normal mode, but it mainly controls the out of focus areas for bokeh adjustment. Still a lot less expensive. I'll have to see what lenses my Softars will fit on. Thanks for the hint, xayraa33.

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Of all the lenses to resurrect, this one? And for $6500?
I'm at a loss to understand the marketing rationale.

A redux of the 35 Summicron 8-element and 50 Rigid would seem to have a larger audience.
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Another retro lens!? Didn't they introduce the 28mm f5.6 Summaron over a year ago. Now to be clear, I'd never buy one but....it seems that lens has never been in stock, How many did they build of them? Three? B&H has had it listed as 'new item-coming soon' for over a year. They probably will never make that lens, it will just quietly disappear from their catalog like it never existed which, for all intents and purposes, it never did.

Soooo, this 90mm f2.2 Thambar retro lens may just be the same thing. A 'new item-coming soon' that never comes at all.
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What other lenses have been re-issued? The35/2.8 Summaron might be popular. The 85mm Summarex, maybe?
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I can think of two better options. There are probably dozens. A little Vaseline on a UV filter (which is actually better pictorially, as you can control how much and where), and just use a SLR and ever-so-slightly tweak the focus before shooting. Oops, I see Timmyjoe beat me to it on the Vaseline trick.

You could always buy a Helios lens for that swirley bokeh thang too. I loved mine, and it was just a wonderful lens in terms of IQ. Think it ran me about 40 bucks.
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When I was a wee lad, we obtained the same look by carefully smearing a little Vaseline on the peripheral of the lens. By leaving the center untouched and varying the amount on the edges it worked quite well.
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If I had money to burn, this would still be way, way down the list, right at the bottom pretty much. Would a 'blurry camera' be cheaper?

This is slightly more interesting I suppose, from the website copy:
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But then even if they did re-release something desirable like 35/50 Summicrons, they'd be so expensive as to make the 'real thing' even more alluring.

The price on these things has moved from eye-watering into offensive territory for me but it's nice that the company endures to fix the old things once in a while.
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Thanks, I still have my Zeiss Softar filters...
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If I had money to burn, this would still be way, way down the list, right at the bottom pretty much. Would a 'blurry camera' be cheaper?

This is slightly more interesting I suppose, from the website copy:


But then even if they did re-release something desirable like 35/50 Summicrons, they'd be so expensive as to make the 'real thing' even more alluring.

The price on these things has moved from eye-watering into offensive territory for me but it's nice that the company endures to fix the old things once in a while.
Soooo... ... re-release the V4 f2/35mm summicron and the DR 50 ?
Why not?

My guess is they would be back ordered for years with a v4 re-release!
Ok maybe not years but it would sell very well.
Maybe even keep Blackstone in the kitchen.... ha!
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What other lenses have been re-issued? The35/2.8 Summaron might be popular. The 85mm Summarex, maybe?
Looks like they are after some obscure, moderate-performing-at-best, but rare lenses. Collectors had drive the prices up, so the reissues are priced accordingly.

Really not something normal photo taking people would be interested in.
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Another retro lens!? Didn't they introduce the 28mm f5.6 Summaron over a year ago. Now to be clear, I'd never buy one but....it seems that lens has never been in stock, How many did they build of them? Three? B&H has had it listed as 'new item-coming soon' for over a year. They probably will never make that lens
The 28 Summaron-M was always listed as a build to order lens (10% deposit with authorised dealer) though I obtained mine from stock back in February. It's a real lens (virtually the only lens I have used this year, it is great). I don't think I'll be ordering the Thambar though.
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I seriously doubt they would rerelease any lenses which would detract from sales of their current lineup... so the DR 50mm and 35mm v4 summicron are out. It is likely to be specislist lenses only... a 28mm ‘5.6’ and a soft focus 90mm fit this profile.
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