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Old 01-07-2015   #1
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Electronic shutter on X-T1

Haven't seen anybody test out the high speed electronic shutter that comes with the v3 firmware for the X-T1. This is a shot at 1/5000 wide open with an adapted CV35/1.2 v2:



With shutter speeds to 1/32000, the possibilities for shooting wide open are endless. Cool.

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Old 01-07-2015   #2
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Yep... Only way to go

The reason I finally broke down and bought the xt1 was the 3.0 fw update.. That brought do many good new features.. Electronic shutter was on top of my list. Unlike my Panasonic gx7 which also has electronic shutter..the Fuji implantation allows u to choose:
- mechanical
- electronic
- hybrid (electronic above 4000, otherwise mechanical). This is my default..

Like all electronic shutters there are two things to be careful of
- jello effect from horizontal moving objects
- florescent lights (the evf of the xt1 - easy to to most of the time if this will be an issue)

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Old 01-08-2015   #3
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What is the true intention of an electronic shutter other than silence? Shooting wide open in the brightest of sunlight is not something I can see as being that important to most.

Are there other benefits? I guess it allows for more frames per second... what else?
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believe it or not, and its hard for me to understand as well, but shooting WO in bright sunlight--or pretty much in any condition, seems to presently be all the rage.

for me the silence would be really important, and i think would be for anyone with an interest in discreet street or other shooting.

OT, i believe without certainty that this camera has a slightly 'improved' xtrans sensor from its predecessors. if thats true, is there a noticeably different rendering--especially those muddy greens?
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especially those muddy greens?
Someone tell me I'm wrong, but my impression is that improved demoasicing algorithms in RAW converters have more to do with eliminating the "muddy green" problem with x-trans sensors than anything to do with the sensor pattern itself (and for JPEGs I'd assume it's the same sort of thing but through in-camera imaging processors+firmware).

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for me the silence would be really important, and i think would be for anyone with an interest in discreet street or other shooting.
But if your subjects are rapidly moving...then issues will come up right?
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But if your subjects are rapidly moving...then issues will come up right?
that seems to be the case with some m4/3 cameras with ES's, but i dont at all know if thats true across the board for all format ES's.
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What is the true intention of an electronic shutter other than silence? Shooting wide open in the brightest of sunlight is not something I can see as being that important to most.

Are there other benefits? I guess it allows for more frames per second... what else?
No other benefits.

Those two are enough (specially for X100T owners). Since they did the R&D for the X100T, porting firmware to other models cost next to nothing.
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Certain operational modes are not comparable with the X-Series electronic shutter invoked. Right after the firmware upgrade there were posts (on other Forums) from confused photographers as to how come combinations of menu settings that use to work no longer worked. In almost all cases the reason was the electronic shutter was employed.

I don't remember any specifics.
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1/15 is pretty much static, no?
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Pretty much, yeah.

If you want the real dirt on the matter, check out this test:

http://janssico.com/2014/12/x100ts-e...peed-analysis/
Interesting. This could actually lead to some interesting effects if used with a moving camera and/or subject.
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Advantages are as noted in other posts - silence and high shutter speed. I will want to check out the rolling shutter effect, but haven't noticed it so far in my limited testing.

One more tool in the bag is the right way to look at it. May or may not be useful in your work.

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Old 01-11-2015   #13
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I found this post today..

I found it pretty good explanation of what is going on w/ the electronic shutter.

http://www.thedowntowncreative.com/b...-speed-results

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An image I took two days ago with the electronic shutter of the X-T1 of subjects who were not "static" or even "pretty much static": 1/6400 second at 3.6 with the Fuji 55-200mm.

Granted, rowers don't move at the rate of Olympic 100-meter-dash sprinters, or dancers, or race cars, but they definitely are moving.

I often shoot wide open with the zoom in the Venetian lagoon because I like the look of the limited depth of field in the light and/or haze and colors of that particular environment (though this image is not a good example of that).



http://veneziablog.blogspot.it/2015/...yesterday.html

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I found this post today..

I found it pretty good explanation of what is going on w/ the electronic shutter.

http://www.thedowntowncreative.com/b...-speed-results

Gary
Great link Gary! Very informative. If anyone's wanting a visual representation of the issue and an explanation, Gary's link provides both.

I appreciate the flexibility 1/32,000 brings to the table, especially here in sunny Hawaii. Now I don't need to slap ND filters on for large-aperture portraits outdoors, only to have to take them off again when I step indoors.

But I've managed to provoke rolling shutter from my X-T1 + 56mm while taking portraits at 1/20,000 or so using the electronic shutter. I left the drive in CH and took a vertical portrait shot whilst holding the shutter button down (I thought it was in single shot mode). I took about 5 extra frames while I was taking the camera away from my face. The rapid hand movement during those 5 frames caused some crazy "jello" effects that DSLR videographers would be familiar with i'm sure. Your milages may vary, but personally I'm disabling electronic shutter whenever I know I'll be shooting anything resembling action with my X-T1. I just don't consider the extra speed worth the risk of seeing shutter roll in my shots.

I suppose that, as the article Gary posted says, the rolling shutter issue goes a long way towards explaining why Fuji also disabled strobe triggering while on the electronic shutter. I had high hopes that since the X-Trans isn't a CMOS sensor (or is it a CMOS-based sensor with a non-Bayer pattern sensor array?), it would be just like the CCD-based Nikon D70...capable of crazy high flash sync thanks to the electronic shutter. BUMMER.

Still though, I can't complain at all about free features added to my camera via firmware update.
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The nikon D200 uses a CCD sensor yet the sync time was only 1/250 s.

I have no idea why Nikon decided to abandon the hybrid shutter design.

Does anyone know if rolling shutter artifacts occur when the D70 (as well as the D1, D1X, and D1H) cameras are used in electronic shutter mode?
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