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The annual event in the making
Old 04-29-2019   #1
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The annual event in the making

It has become a "tradition" each year to start thinking of which cameras and lenses to take with me on a family trip in the summer. I want to keep things light and high quality too. I also need to remove clumsy or time consuming photography with equipment that may not be suitable for a family trip, such as the Polaroid Land 250 or the heavy SWC.

option 1:
M3 + Hologon 16/8
M9 + 50mm

option 2:
M8 + Hologon for a 21mm crop
M9 + 50mm


I could add a very light m 4/3 camera to be used for portraits with the 50mm lens.
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Well, for me, there would have to be a 35mm lens, no matter what else did or did not go. But I could never go with such small outfit! For me, the minimalist kit would be 24/35/50/75 with probably the M7 or MP Plus the M9. And then I'd throw the 28 in at the last minute. And let's not forget our SWCs! Raid, I wouldn't figure you to leave your SWC home!
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I'd go with option #2. That way you still have the option of a 16mm POV on the M9.


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For me, option #1. I would like the option of mixing film and digital.

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No medium format? You have gotten some great photos in the past.

Still, I can understand minimal gear since my back doesn't like me any more.

I do have a small kit with a folding MF, a 9x12 folder, and a 35mm folding RF. I suspect I was trade the 35mm RF for a Contax or Yashica 103 and 3 zooms from 18 to 150mm. Or maybe not a stay with the RF folder.

Good luck in finding a choice you are happy with.

As always, I look forward to seeing samples of you vacation photos.
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In hour shoes I had no doubts: option 1 !

The photo you have in the gallery with the Hologon + film are stunning!

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Option 1 sounds better, the hologon is so much better on film. If you must use the hologon that is. But then why do the longer FL on a digital camera? I would want my photography from a trip to be more consistent. Maybe leave the digital at home, use the 50 on the M3 as well and use the phone for digital snaps. Better yet, let your family handle the digital snaps and focus on getting your photography done before it annoys them.
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How about an Option 3... M9+50mm and go! Less is more!
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Hello Raid, My two cents...I think the 6/18 is too limiting on a family trip and I'd go for a combo of film and digital bodies with faster 28, 50 and 80 lenses. Most importantly, have a great holiday! Cheers, Peter
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Another option--take your D700 and a couple of good autofocus Nikon lens and leave the rest at home--it's the only kit you'll need!
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As "Bailey" would say, "The Phone, the Phone, The Phone"!
That is easily shared, super results, often better than conventional cameras..
Easily shared, small prints available kiosks almost everywhere.

You are younger than me, maybe think out the "RF" bubble and take that DSLR.
2~3 lenses for Nikon D700, spare battery, don't forget charger..
I like your pix wth Hologon but..
Long zooms may change your view!

I travel with "Phone" and small point and shoot cameras that use AA rechargeable.
No film, no big cameras or lenses, simply a drive to download all images from SD cards.
I don't delete images from SD cards storing as film negatives..
I do however on arrival in South Africa (after 22+ hours),
have access to Daughter's Nikon Kit!
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I don’t own any AF lenses for the Nikon D700, and I do not have any spare batteries either.
Thanks for your collective feedback.
I want a wide angle lens because we will be traveling through some scenic areas with natural beauty. The corrected view by the Hologon may be special, and it gives better looking images with a film camera. My past trips have resulted in 1500+ Digital images on average. This could be very costly if done on film only.
I could add a lens or two to either option 1 or 2.
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Option 3:
SWC (lens has 21mm view)
M9+ 35/1.4 + 50/2
M3+ 16/8

It could work, but I don't need two "very wide" lenses on one trip.
It would maybe work as follows:
M8: 50mm lens (66mm view)
M9: 35mm lens
SWC
I could switch around the two lenses.
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option 1: M3 + Hologon 16/8 -and- M9 + 50mm sounds ideal...
I would not add any additional lenses.

the question is what film would you take.
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My (current) take on this very same issue (annual family vacation trip) is ONE _real_ camera for film (the biggest, baddest I want to take), plus ONE (good) digital camera for the snap shots. Last year's answer was:

- Travelwide (4x5 P&S with wide-angle 90mm Angulon, plus film & film holders)
- Sony RX100M3

If I had your cameras, I would probably take

Option 3b:
SWC (lens has 21mm view)
M9 + 50/2


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These threads give me a chuckle. Why would anyone know better than I what lenses to take on a family vacation. It is not really an intractable problem.
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option 1: M3 + Hologon 16/8 -and- M9 + 50mm sounds ideal...
I would not add any additional lenses.

the question is what film would you take.
I would take ISO 200 film. The Hologon is an effectively f 16 lens, so it is not meant for night scenes.
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These threads give me a chuckle. Why would anyone know better than I what lenses to take on a family vacation. It is not really an intractable problem.
There always is one comment by someone that brings to me a new thought. I learn this way.
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There always is one comment by someone that brings to me a new thought. I learn this way.
It's interesting how often I see comments suggesting to shoot with one's phone or iPad on personal trips, and that's the sort of comment that makes myself rethink things.

There's a lot of merit to that. My mother often tells me about her own father, a very keen and accomplished LF photographer, regretting missing out on so much of their childhood trips because of worrying about gear, spending too much time chasing photos, and the like. I think were he around today, or even a few decades later, he would have certainly appreciated digital photography and smartphones.

But I'm sure many on here are similar to me in that when I travel, its photography that is the lens I explore a new place through, and its very difficult to balance worrying about equipment and having fun or relaxing. Both times my M8 gave out on me were on trips where I specifically intended to explore and photograph, in SF and Chicago. Being without a camera was both distressing and freeing, but caused me to lose out on half of the reason behind the trip—seeing somewhere new to refresh and inspire myself artistically. Mind you, these weren't family trips, but solo travel.

All that said I appreciate your minimalist approach to packing. Were you to have one of those do-everything wonder zooms for your DSLR, you'd have a small kit indeed, but I like the idea of constraint for creative purposes. I'd say option 1 myself, since there's nothing like a good wide-angle to see things in a refreshingly new way.

Slightly related, but two wides are the only pieces of gear I regret getting rid of. My first camera as a kid was a hand-me-down Konica 28W, and when I sold off most of my SLR gear that included a 17-35. Really didn't appreciate the former, and was only really getting to learn how to use a super-wide with the latter when I made the RF switch.
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FWIW, this year I've taken two cameras away with me and have decided that that's one too many. Now I think a digital like the LX5 or a film one like the µ-V; both small and usable with decent zoom lenses. And as I doubt if I'll ever print bigger than 5x7˝ or 5˝x8Ľ that suits me fine...


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I enjoy traveling with one camera, the problem is that my trips extend for 2-3-4 weeks at a time. I prefer film, but also want to do realtime updates... and as a 'complication' my flip phone doesn't do internet nor email. Nikon F3P + 50 f/1.2 and Fuji x100t (35mm equivalent)... Ai'd Nikkor-H 2.8cm f/3.5 and AiS 105mm f/2.8 Micro in the bag.
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Option 1 except instead of the M9 bring a 25mm or 35mm, depending on your taste, and more film.
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These threads give me a chuckle. Why would anyone know better than I what lenses to take on a family vacation. It is not really an intractable problem.
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SWC and M8 50mm

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Enjoy !!
You obviously favor the SWC over the Hologon!
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For my upcoming road trip about three weeks long I plan to bring to M10 with the 28/5.6 Summaron on it.
After almost an year since I bought this lens I like very much how it renders and the high iso possibilities of the M10 compensate the slow aperture, at least for my photography style. Maybe I'll have a 50mm lens in a bag or in the hotel safe just in case one day I desire a different view, usually I do not change lens when out taking photo, I change the lens before going out depending on ..the mood...the surrounding...the project...

As addition I'll bring a Polaroid probably the SX70 with some color film, mainly because I want to make personal postcards from the trip to send to friends.

And my wife will have her D-109 for additional snaps.

Originally I planned to bring the M10 as said and the M7 with the 50 and B&W films. Film for outdoor and digital for interior (higher iso). But it means a long developing scanning process which I prefer to avoid for a more weeks trip.

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It's very odd, no one ever mentions a macro lens and yet it's on my travels that I see details I've never seen before and then the - so called - macro function on my compact zoom is very useful; especially at the 90mm setting.

That knocks out CRF's from all the suggestions I read in these threads but there you are...

FWIW, sitting here and looking up I can see one of those nice big leather Leica holdalls that will take an M or two and a few lenses but once filled it kills my pleasure in wandering about in new places and looking and photographing. And by the end of the day I've lost a pound or two and the bag has put on a pound or two or three.

So I stick to my little Lumix LX5 and take a bit of care just like I would with the M's...

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I don’t own any AF lenses for the Nikon D700, and I do not have any spare batteries either.
Thanks for your collective feedback.
I once spent one week in Tuscany with a D700 and some MF Nikkors, it worked out great.

The D700 battery lasts almost forever if you don't chimp, you don't need a spare battery if you don't forget the charger.

As for the most important thing, I don't read it : where are you going to, this year, Raid ?
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Lessee: I can't be you so I can't really say what works best for you. I can tell you what I've used over the past three-four trips and has returned me photographs I'm happy with, however.

Trip one: Leica M-D + 35 + 50 mm lenses. Houston, Texas to visit family. Photos split between the two lenses, excellent results.

Trip two: Cork, Ireland @ Christmas with a friend and his family, and the Isle of Man to visit friends @ New Years. Same Leica kit, add iPhone 8 Plus as well. Made most of my photos with the Leica and the 35mm lens with very satisfying results. There were a couple of occasions where I would have liked the 90mm, it would have been worth carrying.

Trip three: Six week travel, first to the Isle of Man for the Manx GP in late August, then visiting friends in three areas of Great Britain (Oxford, Potton north of London, Greenwich in London); then visiting family and friends in Boston, Providence, New York, and suburban Connecticut; then riding the train cross country from New York to California. Leica CL + R 28mm and R 50mm lenses, iPhone 8 Plus. I wished for the 90mm or 135mm lens again at the races, an ultra wide in NY might have been nice for one or two shots. Otherwise just right. Lots and lots of satisfying results, both still and video.

Trip four: One week gay cruise from Miami to Nassau to Cozumel to Roatan to Costa Maya and back to Miami ::: a huge mix of subjects from people to Mayan ruins. Brought the iPhone 8 Plus and the Light L16, a tabletop tripod and phone/camera mounts: a tiny kit. Lots of very satisfying results throughout. The L16 produces superb quality photos and is remarkably versatile with FoV options from 28mm to 150mm effective, what it lacks in responsiveness and handiness is complemented by the speed and ease of the iPhone 8 Plus.

Trip five is coming up... I'm headed to Phoenix this weekend for a quick gathering in celebration of a relative's 90th birthday. I'll bring the iPhone 8 Plus and a tabletop tripod, and a Polaroid SX-70 with two-three packs of film, maybe the 1.5x teleconverter. Another tiny kit... It will be fun. Nothing brings out as many smiles as a Polaroid.

At some point, I'll carry just the Fuji GS645S Wide 60 for an entire trip. Or, if I acquire one, a Hasselblad X1D with 21mm lens and 120mm Macro, or Leica Q2. You can do an awful lot with a 50 Mpixel camera by framing for a cropped image.

Far as travel goes, the smaller and lighter is better as a general rule. I only bring the larger or heavier gear if there's going to be something specific I know in advance that I want to work on. I may buy a couple of Moment accessory lenses and case for the iPhone 8 Plus for a bit more versatility in shooting, and leave it at that for some trips...

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I once spent one week in Tuscany with a D700 and some MF Nikkors, it worked out great.

The D700 battery lasts almost forever if you don't chimp, you don't need a spare battery if you don't forget the charger.

As for the most important thing, I don't read it : where are you going to, this year, Raid ?
Germany and several Scandinavian countries on a road trip. I think of Stave churches, some glaciers, and Fjords.
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It will be this outfit:
M6 + Hologon
M9 + Lux 35
EPL-1 + 50

I bought fresh film for ISO 200 and 400.
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It will be this outfit:
M6 + Hologon
M9 + Lux 35
EPL-1 + 50

I bought fresh film for ISO 200 and 400.
And yet you know you are going to use your phone for 90% of the shots.


Leave that mess and enjoy time with the fam.
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https://kenrockwell.com/tech/moment/18mm.htm

I'll take that nasty film off your hands.
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I usually get 1000 images from the phone, and about 500 images per Leica camera. It does not bother me that I use a phone for photography.
This 18mm gimmick is not comparable to a Zeiss Hologon.
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I bought fresh film for ISO 200 and 400.
Good decision Raid!

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I am glad that you find my choices good, Robert. The E-PL1 is very light and small, so it will not be a burden. It will be my short tele lens with the 50mm. I will have then the views for 16mm, 35mm, and 100mm or when lenses are moved around the cameras, I have 50mm, 21mm, and 32mm.
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I usually get 1000 images from the phone, and about 500 images per Leica camera. It does not bother me that I use a phone for photography.
This 18mm gimmick is not comparable to a Zeiss Hologon.
What will you do with 2000 images from your trip?

Just noticed, you have not included the images from the EPL. So, 3000 images?
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This 18mm gimmick is not comparable to a Zeiss Hologon.
If using your phone is not a gimmick, then why is using a lens adapter that makes your phone more veratile a gimmick?
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I use my phone as a supplement to my Leica M8 and M9 in most trips. It is a gimmick in comparison to using the Leica. I would not travel just with a phone.
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