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New meaning to what a portrait is!

Anything goes, yes? No? Maybe so?

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There is no definition of the word "portrait". See the famous portrait of Gandhi by Cartier-Bresson. On this portrait you see Gandhi's back from a distance of about ten meters, not his face. Could not be used for a passport photo. Nevertheless it is a great portrait.

A portrait can also be a picture on wich the person himself can not be seen, for instance a picture of the the M2 that was used by Nick Ut.

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There is no definition of the word "portrait". See the famous portrait of Gandhi by Cartier-Bresson. On this portrait you see Gandhi's back from a distance of about ten meters, not his face. Could not be used for a passport photo. Nevertheless it is a great portrait.

A portrait can also be a picture on wich the person himself can not be seen, for instance a picture of the the M2 that was used by Nick Ut.

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There is no definition of the word "portrait". ......
I respectfully have to disagree. Like all artistic definitions it is broad but certainly not all images of people are portraits. Artistic educational materials and common usage gives us some characteristics that classify what is and what is not. My quick take is there are some commonly accepted characteristics.

* A portrait is an image whose specific purpose is to convey information about an individual or individuals. Not their environment, not their clothing, not some specific object in the image, but them.

* There is some level of agreement and cooperation between the subject and the artist. This can be momentary but the subject must be aware.

My comment should not be construed as anything negative about the images in this thread. Only that some of them may not fit the definition of "portraits". But I love this thread because it gets members thinking about photos of people.
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A great essay on the subject in British Journal Of Aesthetics
https://sci-hub.tw/10.1093/aesthj/ayv018

One could think that it is over-restrictive to use the phrase for only a specification of an image of a person.
But then one could think it is instead an oversimplification to use it for every image of a being.

That said, I agree with the open interpretation of the word, and also its' metaphorical extensions, like Erik suggested.
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* A portrait is an image whose specific purpose is to convey information about an individual or individuals. Not their environment, not their clothing, not some specific object in the image, but them.

* There is some level of agreement and cooperation between the subject and the artist. This can be momentary but the subject must be aware.

With the first suggestion I agree fully, but with the second absolutely not. I am sure that you can make very good portraits of people that are not aware of being portrayed, not only on photographs, but also sculpted or painted. Many examples prove this.


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With the first suggestion I agree fully, but with the second absolutely not. I am sure that you can make very good portraits of people that are not aware of being portrayed, not only on photographs, but also sculpted or painted. Many examples prove this.
Erik: you certainly are entitled to your own opinions regarding a definition of "portrait". But it is commonly accepted in artistic academic teachings and environments that the most common differentiator between a "portrait" and a "street shot" is the connection between the subject and the artist.

We do totally agree that "good work" lies in the eye of the viewer and labels or definitions are not that important. Unless you are turning in homework for a portrait class where you could be told that your work, while creative, was not the assignment given you.
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I often find that people in cafes, restaurants and at work make interesting candid portrait subjects.

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I often find that people in cafes, restaurants and at work make interesting candid portrait subjects.
I do as well.

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I love this one, Peter! Modigliani is one of my favorite painters.

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I love this one, Peter! Modigliani is one of my favorite painters.

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Thanks Erik. I am a fan of Modigliani's work myself. And it is quite likely (I cannot recall specifically) that it is this image which induced me to take the photo from this angle. In fact it is almost certain.
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