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Finally, here's the upper RH corner. No contest here.

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Old 03-25-2019   #402
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I have found that old Photoshop's 6 function Auto Colors in most cases sets best White and Black Points. Better than my manual attempts tested on drums, Creo, dslr. If so then why do we need a plugin? Why we need Lightroom or newest Photoshop?
Maybe better find other free solutions? I always make scan or photo of negative as linear 16 bits outputbfrom sensor apply log transformation (photoshop curve avaiable) to get correct tone mapping and set white and black points. Dependeing on camera/scanner output color space - saturation correction required.
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I have found that old Photoshop's 6 function Auto Colors in most cases sets best White and Black Points. Better than my manual attempts tested on drums, Creo, dslr. If so then why do we need a plugin? Why we need Lightroom or newest Photoshop?
Maybe better find other free solutions? I always make scan or photo of negative as linear 16 bits outputbfrom sensor apply log transformation (photoshop curve avaiable) to get correct tone mapping and set white and black points. Dependeing on camera/scanner output color space - saturation correction required.
Did u use it to convert negative film? How long does it take you? Can you post an example of an image that you converted?
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Finally, here's the upper RH corner. No contest here.

Even before you posted this one i found your Sony digicam scans far superior to the CoolScan.
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Old 03-26-2019   #406
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Did u use it to convert negative film? How long does it take you? Can you post an example of an image that you converted?
It is one click Huss - few second. So I would setup scanner or dslr so that it outputs true log or gamma 3,0 (approx), save 8 bit file then run third party app for automatic color correction. IrfanView does good job - preserves dynamic range.

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Can anyone recommend a digital camera body that I could use to scan medium format film? It would only be used as a 'scanning' device, rather than a normal camera, so I'm not bothered about weight or other considerations. I already have lots of MF lenses, so something that could use one with an adapter would be perfect. Though, thinking about this...I don't think I have a macro lens. Can you get by with a normal + extension tube, or is a macro lens essential?

Are there any cheap options out there?

I only use film cameras, so am completely out of touch with digital gear!


Edit: any thoughts on the minimum megapixel requirements? I see fairly cheap 12MP bodies on eBay such as the Fuji X10, then it looks like a step up to 24MP bodies such as the Sony A6000 which are about double the cost.
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I have been practicing using a Tomioka Yashinon 60/2.8 macro lens on my Sony A7ii to digitize my images. This is a scan made this way of a photo taken with a Zeiss Ikon Super Ikonta B on Fujichrome Velvia 50 RVP:


yet another try at this image. by Mike Novak, on Flickr

and a 100% crop of the image of the surfer in the foreground


100% crop of the previous image by Mike Novak, on Flickr

Finally, a 100% crop of the same image, scanned with an Epson V750. Please ignore the color differences, as I edited the first image to compensate for a bit of underexposure:


100% crop Epson V750 by Mike Novak, on Flickr

I think that the difference in resolution is remarkable. This is even more noticeable on black and white negative film, where the digicam method does a much better job of preserving the grain structure of the film.

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I have been practicing using a Tomioka Yashinon 60/2.8 macro lens on my Sony A7ii to digitize my images. This is a scan made this way of a photo taken with a Zeiss Ikon Super Ikonta B on Fujichrome Velvia 50 RVP:


yet another try at this image. by Mike Novak, on Flickr

and a 100% crop of the image of the surfer in the foreground


100% crop of the previous image by Mike Novak, on Flickr

Finally, a 100% crop of the same image, scanned with an Epson V750. Please ignore the color differences, as I edited the first image to compensate for a bit of underexposure:


100% crop Epson V750 by Mike Novak, on Flickr

I think that the difference in resolution is remarkable. This is even more noticeable on black and white negative film, where the digicam method does a much better job of preserving the grain structure of the film.

My scanning rig is still a bit of a work in progress.


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very nice but ur life would be so much easier if u use a copy stand. i bought mine from ebay new for $150.
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very nice but ur life would be so much easier if u use a copy stand. i bought mine from ebay new for $150.
I think that I can modify the Quadropd to make it easier to adjust the height. it will all work out to the good.
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Finally, here's the upper RH corner. No contest here.

Odd. My CS 9000 ED produces much sharper scans than what you are showing. Attached are wet and dry scans that I made. This was shot with a Zeiss Ercona folder with a Tessar lens.
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Odd. My CS 9000 ED produces much sharper scans than what you are showing. Attached are wet and dry scans that I made. This was shot with a Zeiss Ercona folder with a Tessar lens.
Yes, I too find it odd. This is in a corner, but that shouldn't affect anything much for the CoolScan. I'll keep watching.

But, my main point, supported by the center crops, is that 24MPx camera-scan is on a par with the CoolScan as far as resolution is concerned.
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I think that one huge thing that is overlooked is that most of the awesome scanners like the CoolScans are no longer made, and very hard to get serviced etc.
Digicam scanning removes the worry of the demise of your scanner.
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Can anyone recommend a digital camera body that I could use to scan medium format film? ... I already have lots of MF lenses, so something that could use one with an adapter would be perfect. Though, thinking about this...I don't think I have a macro lens. Can you get by with a normal + extension tube, or is a macro lens essential?

Are there any cheap options out there?

Edit: any thoughts on the minimum megapixel requirements? I see fairly cheap 12MP bodies on eBay such as the Fuji X10, then it looks like a step up to 24MP bodies such as the Sony A6000 which are about double the cost.
Not much in life is really essential.

Questions:
- MF lenses? Manual focus 35mm lenses? or medium format?
- What are your aims for camera-scan? Screen/web/email? Good prints of ___ size? Archival capture of everything the film has to give? Makes a big difference.
- Negatives? Or positives? B&W or color?
- Are you presently using any post processing software?

But I'll start with some suggestions anyway, assuming negatives:
- Start with raw capture from your phone using Lightroom CC app. Transfer files to computer, process in Lightroom using Negative Lap Pro. Better than you would think. Experiment with light source and post processing.
- For medium format negatives, they deserve more pixels than you'll get in one shot unless you go for really high-end digital. In my experiments, 24MPx is just about enough for my 35mm chromes; I'd want more, proportionately more, for MF. Therefore, take multiple shots and stitching.
- Get a 24MPx mirrorless body and a manual focus macro lens. The Sigma 50mm f/2.8 DG Macro is excellent right to 1:1 (and it's AF on Nikon bodies w/focus motor).
- Yes, you want a macro lens.

Hope this helps.
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I've had better luck with an enlarging lens..than a macro lens..as it is flat field and better in the corners..
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Yes, I too find it odd. This is in a corner, but that shouldn't affect anything much for the CoolScan. I'll keep watching.

But, my main point, supported by the center crops, is that 24MPx camera-scan is on a par with the CoolScan as far as resolution is concerned.
Agreed, but I'd hate to give up DICE. It saves a lot of clean-up time.
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Agreed, but I'd hate to give up DICE. It saves a lot of clean-up time.
Yes, Digital ICE is a big positive for CoolScan.
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Thanks for the tips, all really helpful.

I would be looking to scan 35mm, Xpan and medium format negatives and slide film, mostly with the aim of producing colour prints up to A3 size for the medium format images. Colour only - Iím happy in the darkroom for anything B&W. I currently use a Pakon for 35mm, and a flatbed for medium format and would be looking to replace both. I love the Pakon, but despise the Epson and Iím finding it puts me off shooting colour film in my medium format cameras.

MF lenses = medium format. Hasselblad, Pentax 67, Xpan, Mamiya 6. Iím guessing the leaf shutter lenses will be no good attached to a digital camera?

I also have a few enlarger lenses in 50mm and 80mm lengths. I could certainly give those a go.

Iíve been looking at Fuji X-E1 bodies which seem to be a reasonable price these days. I hadnít even considered using my phone.

Negative conversion would be Lightroom + Nateís NLP plugin.


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- What are your aims for camera-scan? Screen/web/email? Good prints of ___ size? Archival capture of everything the film has to give? Makes a big difference.
- Negatives? Or positives? B&W or color?
- Are you presently using any post processing software?

But I'll start with some suggestions anyway, assuming negatives:
- Start with raw capture from your phone using Lightroom CC app. Transfer files to computer, process in Lightroom using Negative Lap Pro. Better than you would think. Experiment with light source and post processing.
- For medium format negatives, they deserve more pixels than you'll get in one shot unless you go for really high-end digital. In my experiments, 24MPx is just about enough for my 35mm chromes; I'd want more, proportionately more, for MF. Therefore, take multiple shots and stitching.
- Get a 24MPx mirrorless body and a manual focus macro lens. The Sigma 50mm f/2.8 DG Macro is excellent right to 1:1 (and it's AF on Nikon bodies w/focus motor).
- Yes, you want a macro lens.

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I've had better luck with an enlarging lens..than a macro lens..as it is flat field and better in the corners..
I have a few Durst and Nikon enlarger lenses...so I guess I would be looking for a 39mm to [digital camera mount] adapter for those?
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I have a few Durst and Nikon enlarger lenses...so I guess I would be looking for a 39mm to [digital camera mount] adapter for those?
If you have an enlarger you may be able to use it as a copy stand..I use my Leica Valoy-2 for this and a BEOON..
Here is the BEOON..

Here is the Valoy..w/copystand attachment..
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^^^ Great set-up. I have a Philips 35mm enlarger in the loft that’s currently unused. I’ll dig it out today and see if there’s any way to attach a tripod head.
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Thanks for the tips, all really helpful.

I would be looking to scan 35mm, Xpan and medium format negatives and slide film, mostly with the aim of producing colour prints up to A3 size for the medium format images. Colour only - Iím happy in the darkroom for anything B&W. I currently use a Pakon for 35mm, and a flatbed for medium format and would be looking to replace both. I love the Pakon, but despise the Epson and Iím finding it puts me off shooting colour film in my medium format cameras.
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Negative conversion would be Lightroom + Nateís NLP plugin.
I say, rig up some kind of illumination and give it a try. See if you like it. Seriously, try iPhone and Lightroom CC for your MF negatives.

24MPx Mirrorless body and a macro lens will be a significant step up in resolution vs. 6MPx Pakon and vs flatbed for MF.

A little story with punch-line: After a couple of iterations, I was getting results I was pretty happy with. But then I discovered I could do a lot better. Punch-line: keep experimenting and adjusting, use some constant for comparison, and keep comparing. I have a USAF 1951 test slide for resolution and good films of a Color-checker for color.

One more comment: Resolution is pretty easy (equipment and tangible technique). Color is harder (NLP is a break-through). Among the colors, warm tones and saturated red are toughest from color negatives (have these colors in your comparison sample).

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IMHO, 24MPx digital with a good lens is plenty for A3 (roughly 12x16 & 12x18) prints.
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I say, rig up some kind of illumination and give it a try. See if you like it. Seriously, try iPhone and Lightroom CC for your MF negatives.

24MPx Mirrorless body and a macro lens will be a significant step up in resolution vs. 6MPx Pakon and vs flatbed for MF.

A little story with punch-line: After a couple of iterations, I was getting results I was pretty happy with. But then I discovered I could do a lot better. Punch-line: keep experimenting and adjusting, use some constant for comparison, and keep comparing. I have a USAF 1951 test slide for resolution and good films of a Color-checker for color.

One more comment: Resolution is pretty easy (equipment and tangible technique). Color is harder (NLP is a break-through). Among the colors, warm tones and saturated red are toughest from color negatives (have these colors in your comparison sample).

Post some results!
Thanks again for the info. Going to start gathering the bits and pieces I need. Just one last question (for now!)... there’s quite a price difference between the used 16MP and 24MP cameras. Around triple the price when I’ve been looking at Fuji X E1 vs E3 for instance. I presume two 16MP shots stitched in Photoshop will be the same (or better) than one 24MP shot, or am I missing something? I realise that will add an extra couple of steps of work.
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... thereís quite a price difference between the used 16MP and 24MP cameras. Around triple the price when Iíve been looking at Fuji X E1 vs E3 for instance. I presume two 16MP shots stitched in Photoshop will be the same (pr better) than one 24MP shot, or am I missing something? I realise that will add an extra couple of steps of work.
Sure, that works. Just the extra work as you noted.
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Camera-scan friends -

What are you doing when your camera-scan produces too much detail, when the grain shows too much? Comparing some of my camera-scans to lab scans (from mid 2000's), I like their smoothness better than what I'm getting today, especially for skies and faces.

Do you smooth, and how? ... in Lightroom? ... in PS?

Example: 1:1 from 6MPx lab-scan in 2002, 1:2 of 24MPx camera-scan today. From a 2002 slide.

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I use an old Sony NEX-5T (+Leica BEOON, EL-Nikkor 50mm f/2.8 enlarging lens). One advantage I can think of over a comparable Fuji X series APS-C camera is the tilting screen. For longer digitizing sessions, it's nice not having to crane my neck to look straight down at the LCD screen.

My NEX-5T is 16MP, and I lose a little bit of resolution because it doesn't fill the entire frame. If you need/want more resolution, you can substitute for a newer Sony axxxx. I think the latest and greatest a6500 is 24MP. So far, 16MP has been sufficient for my needs, digitizing 135 and 120 (stitched) up to 6x7. Most of the black and white photos on my Flickr are digitized with the NEX-5T setup, so you can judge for yourself the results. With the exception of some bleached FP-100c peel-apart negatives, most of my film digitizing is with black & white film. Thus far, I've been sending color film to a lab for processing and scanning. However, I'm considering taking everything including developing "in-house", and using Negative Lab Pro for the conversions.
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I use an old Sony NEX-5T (+Leica BEOON, EL-Nikkor 50mm f/2.8 enlarging lens). One advantage I can think of over a comparable Fuji X series APS-C camera is the tilting screen. ...
If you need/want more resolution, you can substitute for a newer Sony axxxx. I think the latest and greatest a6500 is 24MP. ...
NEX-5T is great.

If you want more resolution, the Sony A6000 is, I think, a sweet spot for camera-scan: 24MPx, Focus peaking and Focus Magnifier, tilt screen. And, now down in price a good bit.
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NEX-5T is great.

If you want more resolution, the Sony A6000 is, I think, a sweet spot for camera-scan: 24MPx, Focus peaking and Focus Magnifier, tilt screen. And, now down in price a good bit.
It was the first "serious" camera I bought when I first started learning photography. When I made the transition to film, I built a digitizing setup up around the NEX-5T because I already had it.
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Camera-scan friends -

What are you doing when your camera-scan produces too much detail, when the grain shows too much? Comparing some of my camera-scans to lab scans (from mid 2000's), I like their smoothness better than what I'm getting today, especially for skies and faces.
Solution in LR:
- Reduce capture sharpening, start at zero
- Add luminance noise reduction, and increase color noise reduction
- Start with Clarity at zero

Now, the grain is less visible, images less gritty, more like the scans for 2000's.

And, FWIW, opened up mount from one of the slides of this set. Film is Kodak EL-2, probably Elitechrome 400, probably has more grain than a slower film.
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Old 04-02-2019   #432
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Found a nice refurbished 'as-new' Sony A7 with full warranty, so decided to go the whole full-frame hog with that one. I have an M39 adapter on its way so I can try out my enlarger lenses.

I'll be using my old iPad as a lightbox to begin with. I've heard the newer iPads make perfect light sources due to their discreet RGB wide gamut output, but the older ones are not so good. I'll see how I get on before spending more money on a lightpad. Any thoughts on that?

Now need to go and scrabble around in the loft and find my old 35mm enlarger to use as a copy stand!



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I use an old Sony NEX-5T (+Leica BEOON, EL-Nikkor 50mm f/2.8 enlarging lens). One advantage I can think of over a comparable Fuji X series APS-C camera is the tilting screen. For longer digitizing sessions, it's nice not having to crane my neck to look straight down at the LCD screen.

My NEX-5T is 16MP, and I lose a little bit of resolution because it doesn't fill the entire frame. If you need/want more resolution, you can substitute for a newer Sony axxxx. I think the latest and greatest a6500 is 24MP. So far, 16MP has been sufficient for my needs, digitizing 135 and 120 (stitched) up to 6x7. Most of the black and white photos on my Flickr are digitized with the NEX-5T setup, so you can judge for yourself the results. With the exception of some bleached FP-100c peel-apart negatives, most of my film digitizing is with black & white film. Thus far, I've been sending color film to a lab for processing and scanning. However, I'm considering taking everything including developing "in-house", and using Negative Lab Pro for the conversions.
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Found a nice refurbished 'as-new' Sony A7 with full warranty, so decided to go the whole full-frame hog with that one. I have an M39 adapter on its way so I can try out my enlarger lenses.

I'll be using my old iPad as a lightbox to begin with. I've heard the newer iPads make perfect light sources due to their discreet RGB wide gamut output, but the older ones are not so good. ...
Congrats. A7 and A6000 are my go-to's for this.

Hearing exactly that point, I tested the new iPhone 7 screen and it surprisingly turned out better than other light sources for cam-scan of negatives with NLP. (Other quality sources were quite good too.) I have never seen any test with earlier iPhone/iPad.
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Congrats. A7 and A6000 are my go-to's for this.

Hearing exactly that point, I tested the new iPhone 7 screen and it surprisingly turned out better than other light sources for cam-scan of negatives with NLP. (Other quality sources were quite good too.) I have never seen any test with earlier iPhone/iPad.

Just FYI, I picked up those snippets of info about the iPad light source on Nate's NLP forum: https://forums.negativelabpro.com/


The light source info is here: https://forums.negativelabpro.com/t/...-with-dslr/130
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Stiching may introduce artifacts. When I tried it for film pano shots I would notice that a tiny difference in the evenness of your light source could create what looks like seams in the stich.
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Just getting to grips with the A7. So far really impressed with the handling and features.

I’ve mounted an old LTM lens using a M39 adapter and all’s good. What’s not so good is I can’t figure out the best way to get my enlarger lenses working as macro lenses. They mount fine using the Fotodiox adapter, but obviously won’t focus. Should I be mounting them on top of a focussing helicoid (A7 > adapter > helicoid > lens) for macro work, or will I need bellows? The lenses are 50mm and 80mm.
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I found it difficult to focus the negative accurately, and now use a dedicated scanner.
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