M10-P - Used market prognostications
Old 03-11-2019   #1
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Question M10-P - Used market prognostications

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So, It's been five years since I logged in here to sell my M4 and 50 v. 3 cron after learning that my wife and I were expecting a baby. Now my daughter is four, I've got a promotion to celebrate, and I'm hoping to get back into the rangefinder game with a digital M. I'd really love a silver M10-P, as it seems to be the M4 of digital Ms (IMO).

At present, however, the used market for the M10-P is slim to non-existent. Tamarkin has two in Ex++ shape for ~$7100. When do you think there will be more used ones available, and when do you think they will sell for ~$5000?

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Old 03-11-2019   #2
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More M10s will be available when there is an M11.
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Old 03-11-2019   #3
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The M10 P hasn't really been out that long so it will likely be a few more years before the price for a used one drops to $5000. The price for a used regular M10 seems be around $5600-5800 on ebay and about the same at KEH so the price may drop to $5000 in a year or two depending on the market.
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Old 03-11-2019   #4
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There may be more used M10's available as people in the market for a leica opt for a new Q2 @ 5000 usd rather than a used M10. At this point the M10 is high art but it's still a digital camera and the used prices could be influenced by Q2 sales.
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Hi, all--

So, It's been five years since I logged in here to sell my M4 and 50 v. 3 cron after learning that my wife and I were expecting a baby. Now my daughter is four, I've got a promotion to celebrate, and I'm hoping to get back into the rangefinder game with a digital M. I'd really love a silver M10-P, as it seems to be the M4 of digital Ms (IMO).

At present, however, the used market for the M10-P is slim to non-existent. Tamarkin has two in Ex++ shape for ~$7100. When do you think there will be more used ones available, and when do you think they will sell for ~$5000?

Your prognostications welcome!
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Then again, does it really have to be an M10 to get you into a digital Leica M? A nice M9 (with the sensor replaced/upgraded--that's essential) is still a fine camera. It's a little thicker than the M10, so it doesn't quite have the old M4 feel; but you know what? That's not really a problem when I'm shooting mine. It's only a "problem" when looking at it! So you might consider an M9 as a way to started. Then, when/if M10 prices come down, well, maybe later. That's where I'm at.
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Then again, does it really have to be an M10 to get you into a digital Leica M? A nice M9 (with the sensor replaced/upgraded--that's essential) is still a fine camera. It's a little thicker than the M10, so it doesn't quite have the old M4 feel; but you know what? That's not really a problem when I'm shooting mine. It's only a "problem" when looking at it! So you might consider an M9 as a way to started. Then, when/if M10 prices come down, well, maybe later. That's where I'm at.
If all there's in life is ISO 640 and no further, then yes, the M9 will do. Lovely camera, quirky and noisy but in context of present-day expectations, very limiting.

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The 240 series offers best value now. Trouble free too.
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Yes, that might be a better idea than the M9. While the M10 is still in the "if you have to ask" price range, the M240 might be within the OP's budget. But I think it's even bulkier than the M9, though, and the OP wants the "M4 of digital Ms," which sounds like he wants it to Feel like an M4. I think I'd like an M10, though I don't know what I would do with 24MP.
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Old 03-12-2019   #11
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Yes, that might be a better idea than the M9. While the M10 is still in the "if you have to ask" price range, the M240 might be within the OP's budget. But I think it's even bulkier than the M9, though, and the OP wants the "M4 of digital Ms," which sounds like he wants it to Feel like an M4. I think I'd like an M10, though I don't know what I would do with 24MP.
I remember we used to have a "the M10 has destroyed the used market" thread. Can wait for the M11 version...which I believe will take some 2-3 years.

If the OP want it now then it's gonna be either pay (like more than double) or compromise.
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You won’t get a P any time soon for $5k. You’ll get close with a regular M10 though.
Really though, the M4 is the only M4...
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For the long haul the M10 is a cost-effective solution. The 10-P offers a quiet shutter, LCD screen touch control, 5 fps vs 3 fps bursts – along with cosmetic differences. Are these worth about $2K?

The M10/10-P advantage over the M240 primarily involves a small increase in (dynamic range) (useful in bright light) and about 1 stop more sensitivity in low light. These only affect the technical image quality. People who use in-camera JPEGs probably wouldn't notice much difference.

Still, the M10/10P technical image quality is similar to current offerings for Nikon and SONY. The M240 performs similarly to the older Nikon D3. (data - note you will have to zoom the chart by selecting the 24 X 36 mm sensor column for to see details. Sensitivity differences are most obvious in low-light. However sensitivity also affects shadow region rendering n bright light.

Of course, technical image quality is just one of many factors to consider. If I was going to reenter the M mount arena, I would search for a very nice, pre-owned M240. The M10 is a bit slimmer and lighter and has an improved RF (0.73X vs 0.68X on the M 240). I don't use JPEGs so the Maestro II in-camera processor doesn't matter to me.
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I'll be riding with my close to 10 yr old M9 still preforms very well even compared to my "technically superior" A7r II for a little bit more.... I want the M10-P but the prices need to come down still a bit.... Passed on the 240 got way too chunky for me even compared to the M9..
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Old 03-17-2019   #17
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Update: I just pulled the trigger on a mint condition M 240 with new extra battery and Thumbs Up for $2900.00. I figure by the time the M 10-P (or other successor) comes down to earth I'll have made many an image with this camera. That and I won't lose too much when it comes time to sell it and upgrade. Wish me luck re-entering the Leica system!
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