Oh dear, the Barnack bug almost bit me
Old 01-25-2019   #1
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Oh dear, the Barnack bug almost bit me

A friendly camera shop in Plymouth UK (not my local but I'm down a lot to visit family) had an early iiic from 1940 with collapsible Elmar on sale. I need more cameras like I need a hole in the head, but he let me handle it.

What an exquisite thing. The size and build is gorgeous - it felt about 20% smaller than my M3, and perfect for the pocket with the collapsible lens. I resisted, although the temptation was very strong.

Perhaps if I get round to selling some of my surplus camera stock. It wasn't expensive if £240 is inexpensive, but it just felt perfect.

I fear another obsession coming on!
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After I got my 1946-47 IIIc, I wondered why I waited so long to try the screwmounts too. The smaller size of the body means I carry it far more -- even at work: I teach with it slung under my untucked outer shirt.

ETA: Mine is far from "exquisite" in terms of condition. Bad post-war chrome, nice dent in the top plate, tons of scratches in the chrome, brassing in various (and sometimes odd) places. But as a carry-everywhere user, it's perfect. I'll eventually plop for a nice black paint III, but for right now the beat up IIIc is just fine and the operation is smooth as silk.
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A friendly camera shop in Plymouth UK (not my local but I'm down a lot to visit family) had an early iiic from 1940 with collapsible Elmar on sale. I need more cameras like I need a hole in the head, but he let me handle it.

What an exquisite thing. The size and build is gorgeous - it felt about 20% smaller than my M3, and perfect for the pocket with the collapsible lens. I resisted, although the temptation was very strong.

Perhaps if I get round to selling some of my surplus camera stock. It wasn't expensive if £240 is inexpensive, but it just felt perfect.

I fear another obsession coming on!
Just settle back easy and let that bug bite away! Life is too short to NOT do it!
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Noo, a forum telling me to give in, whatever next! :-)

Joking aside, much as I like the owner, he's not a Leica expert and having bought two cameras from him that needed to be repaired within a week (he sorted them easily), I thought I'd hold back until I'd done some more research and gathered opinions first.

Let's just say the bug is in the bloodstream but it's not yet in terminal phase!
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Old 01-25-2019   #5
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The true essence of Leica is a barnack with a collapsible Elmar.
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Down near Plymouth you can retire to the hills and do the Ravillious thing...

£240 with a lens is not too bad if it works (after a fashion).
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I've been through a few Barnacks, none have completely won me over. I'm putting the first roll through the O Series 2000 and I'm pretty enamored. There's quite a variety of 'Barnacks'. Just because you don't like one, doesn't mean you won't like the next.
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Have only handled a LTM Leica at Red Dot Camera for less then five minutes a couple years ago in London. I ordered a 3f and got it yesterday. I will be sending it back as the complexity of use was just not worth it.

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I have a 1949 IIIc in excellent condition that I enjoy shooting as much if not more as any other camera I have. I use a CV brightline auxiliary finder for framing. Resistance to the Barnack bug is futile!
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My Leica journey began with a '38 Standard, then a post war IIIc. Sold them both and settled the Barnack question with a '38 II, done.
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Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated, then collimated!

For many years I used Barnacks as my main travel camera. Small, light and inexpensive, what’s not to like. They never gave any problems and saw a lot of the world.

If you can get past the squintiest viewfinder and loading, they’re a very capable camera.

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Every time I pick my IIIf up I feel like I'm a better photographer. Call it karma, zen, transcendental meditation or just walking in the shoes of HCB or James Ravilious (although he used an M, I think).
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You can probably figure a CLA will be needed unless the shop can show you documentation that one has been done in the past five years or so. Beware, however, that you are on a very slippery GAS slope. That purchase will lead to more lenses, and then the urge to try a pre-IIIc smaller Barnack and then … They are sweet cameras and enjoyable to shoot.
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Information gathering time then. I didn't find the viewfinder too squinty (you should see the one on my Zeiss Super Ikonta - now there's a camera that I dislike handling), but there was no evidence of any recent service, and with his track record, I wasn't inclined to think about buying it.

Any obvious points to note on inspecting one generally? I know how to examine a lens etc, but any weak points in the camera to note.
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I'm right there with ya. I just acquired at a very good price a lot of 28 old quirky cameras, included was a LeicaIIIf and Summitar lens (complete with leather case). It needs cleaning up and a new leatherette but I'll invest in it, and use it. Cool little camera (and I already have the M6 among many others).
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Take off the lens and examine the shutter curtains to see if they are dry or cracked. If the curtains need to be replaced it will make service much more expensive. Would the seller let you run a short roll of film thru it in the shop? I have a lot of cameras but a pair of Leica IIIc's does most of my film. Good Luck. Joe
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I have a couple of black paint Leicas III, one from 1934 and the other from 1936. The 1934 one I got for free (I only had to pay for the SCNOO it had on its bottom) and for the 1936 one I had to pay EUR 160 if I remember well. This last one did not work, but after some crafting it was a very smooth and perfectly working camera. Of the early black and nickel Leicas the III is the best camera to work with.

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I currently have a 1942 IIIc Stepper loaded , a 1957 IIIg loaded, and a 1932 black III awaiting a trip to Newton Ellis. Get the IIIc its a great camera, fun to use and a steal at £240
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I'll see if he'll let me put a film through it. He's got one of my cameras of like value in for repair, so I doubt it will be an issue. He did put a roll though it himself.

However, the weather for my remaining time is looking wet!

Thanks all for help and guidance, much appreciated.
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Just a reminder to trim the leader before loading. I miss my IIIc.
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Its funny how the LTM bug creeps up o you
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Its funny how the LTM bug creeps up o you

Just realised that l may have an LTM bug and/or addiction. I started with a IIIg, now l have a III, IIIc, and a IIIg, coupled with a 5cm Elmar, 5cm Summar, 3,5cm Summaron, not to mention SBOOI and SBLOO finders, plus various Leitz hoods........where will it all end l wonder, (apart from divorce). Anyone else have such a GAS addiction, how did it creep up on me
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It does not seem to go away either ... I've sold them off, and then after a while I get the urge to "save" another one. And it starts again. Latest one was a II - just too tempting at under 200 euros ... now I need another Elmar for it.
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Now I pretty satisfied with my set up. And currently, I am waiting for a first-year production of the Summicron 50 2 collapsable arrive to add to my LTM collection. Some of my other LTM lenses are in DAG's hand. Can't wait to get them back.


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It does not seem to go away either ... I've sold them off, and then after a while I get the urge to "save" another one. And it starts again. Latest one was a II - just too tempting at under 200 euros ... now I need another Elmar for it.
yes a never ending quest
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Now I've pretty satisfied with my set up. And currently, I am waiting for a first-year production of the Summicron 50 2 collapsable arrive to add to my LTM collection. Some of my other LTM lenses are in DAG's hand. Can't wait to get them back.


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thats some stunning eye watering kit you have there by the way
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I start collecting LTM lenses 8 years ago. So I slowly building up my collection. It takes time to find them. And this year I finally purchased the Leica IIIG to let my LTM lenses mount on the camera body they originally designed for.
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I start collecting LTM lenses 8 years ago. So I slowly building up my collection. It takes time to find them. And this year I finally purchased the Leica IIIG to let my LTM lenses mount on the camera body they originally designed for.
well done on getting a IIIg, you will love it
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I get what you're saying, Mike! I love my very early Leica II, this is the 208th camera ever built...

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I get what you're saying, Mike! I love my very early Leica II, this is the 208th camera ever built...

that's one very nice looking set up
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Questions Re: IIIg

Since it’s the last of the Barnacks... The design & parts are slightly different ... Are Parts Easy to find ?

Whats makes the IIIg Special ?
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The bigger viewfinder with frame lines that corrects for parallax.

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Since it’s the last of the Barnacks... The design & parts are slightly different ... Are Parts Easy to find ?

Whats makes the IIIg Special ?
'What makes it special', that's an interesting question, for me all Barnacks are interesting, but the built in finder for 50 amd 80 make the IIIg feel just right.
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Just realised that l may have an LTM bug and/or addiction. I started with a IIIg, now l have a III, IIIc, and a IIIg, coupled with a 5cm Emar, 5cm Summar, 3,5cm Summaron, not to mention SBOOI and SBLOO finders, plus various Leitz hoods........where will it all end l wonder, (apart from divorce). Anyone else have such a GAS addiction, how did it creep up on me
Gotta collect them ALL! IIIa, IIIb, IIIc, IIId, (is there a IIIe?), IIIf, and IIIg.
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Gotta collect them ALL! IIIa, IIIb, IIIc, IIId, (is there a IIIe?), IIIf, and IIIg.
Once owned a IIIf DA such an elegant camera really regret selling it
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That covering (and camera) are really cool. Is that Stingray skin? Where did you get that?

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Resistance is futile. They are great user cameras. An external vf fixes the squinting problem, if you find it a problem.. and apart from the Elmar, the CV 21/4 and 35/3.5 LTM lenses are very compact, if you don't mind modern rendering. It's a slippery slope because there's so many good lenses out there and they can all be used on an M with an adapter - I'm looking at you, collapsible 'cron 5cm f/2 and Summitar 5cm f/2. And then there's the commie lenses..
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Just realised that l may have an LTM bug and/or addiction. I started with a IIIg, now l have a III, IIIc, and a IIIg, coupled with a 5cm Elmar, 5cm Summar, 3,5cm Summaron, not to mention SBOOI and SBLOO finders, plus various Leitz hoods........where will it all end l wonder, (apart from divorce). Anyone else have such a GAS addiction, how did it creep up on me

Hi,

Well, one day you will realise that there's more to it than dusting unused cameras and then you start thinking about the minimum you could use and enjoy. That's when it gets difficult as building up the collection is a haphazard process with little to hold you back but reducing it means a lot of thought and decisions; so not exactly easy...

And next comes sorting them out and scrapping some, selling others and, perhaps, getting one of two repaired to sell. My biggest fear is that a lot will end up in a skip when I'm gone because few can recognise all the bits and pieces I've accumulated over the last 40 or so years. I often wonder how many AGRIFs have been scrapped along with a FHKOO or two...

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