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Father, Son, and Dippin' Dots ... Polaroid SX-70
Old 01-06-2019   #1
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Father, Son, and Dippin' Dots ... Polaroid SX-70

At the mall after a movie ...


MiNT SLR670a + Polaroid Originals 600 Color

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Old 01-06-2019   #2
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I like the dreamy colors. I haven’t seen a dipping dots machine anywhere around here. There is a convenience store down the street that advertises “We have dipping dots”
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I like it, where did you get the film?
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Old 01-07-2019   #4
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Thanks to you both for the compliments!

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I like it, where did you get the film?
I order film for the SX-70 type integral film cameras directly from Polaroid Originals USA: https://us.polaroidoriginals.com

I've learned not to buy in large quantities. Typically six to nine packs (either SX-70 or 600 type, in groups of three) nets the best prices through discounting and purchase points. Nine packs of film nets a total of 72 exposures (8 per pack): that lasts a while if you're careful about choosing your shots. I reorder when I'm down to one or two packs of a given emulsion. That keeps the stuff reasonably fresh and minimizes wastage through aging out.

I'm trying to keep it so that I get away with about six out of eight shots in a pack being usable. It takes discipline and forethought ... good practice in general! With SX-70 typ films, it costs a bloody fortune if you try to shoot with this stuff the way you do with digital capture or even 35mm film, so that's good motivation...

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I just pulled out two Polaroid cameras that I ended up with, and had no idea if they are operational or not. One is a Spectra SE Autofocus the other Impulse SE Autofocus. I bought two B&W film packs from Amazon. Just started testing today. The Spectra has issues. If I rap it a few times against a hard surface I can get a shot out. The Impulse seems to work fine. The Spectra is the better camera, but that's life! The film is from Polaroid originals ultimately, also. The Spectra uses Spectra film, and the Impulse uses Type 600.
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Thanks for the info, I told you I gave my SX-70 to Kate Pulley on Flickr.
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Not sure what a dipping dot machine is ...but I like the photo, the light and the colors.
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PS: and the SX-70 is a superb machine !
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Old 01-07-2019   #9
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I just pulled out two Polaroid cameras that I ended up with, and had no idea if they are operational or not. One is a Spectra SE Autofocus the other Impulse SE Autofocus. I bought two B&W film packs from Amazon. Just started testing today. The Spectra has issues. If I rap it a few times against a hard surface I can get a shot out. The Impulse seems to work fine. The Spectra is the better camera, but that's life! The film is from Polaroid originals ultimately, also. The Spectra uses Spectra film, and the Impulse uses Type 600.
The Spectras are very nice, there was a point where I had several of them and a whole accessory kit. But all of mine acted the same way: if I didn't use them all the time, the film advance motors would become sticky and need to be exercised a bazillion times by reloading cassettes with old shots and running them through the camera. If you have an old cassette or two and a stack of exposed prints, try that to resuscitate it.

At some point, I decided to focus my instant efforts on the SX-70 type cameras and sold or gave away all the Spectras and even SX-70 Sonar models. (I prefer manual focus.) My Polaroid kit now includes one original SX-70 and three MiNT SLR670 models (m, a, and x). Plus nearly all the SX-70 accessories. It's more than enough!
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Oi, there's a new years' sale at PO store. Sadly, given that I'm between two locations of Europe, some cameras stay up north with me and others in the Mediterranean (SX70). Few more months of holiday for the SX70 now.

I was pressed to shoot the couple packs I had in the fridge during this holiday break, worried about age. A 9/17 PO Color and IP BW 2.0 from 01/2016. Both have been behaving fine! The PO is still rather good and the IP holds with some aging quirks.

Last year I shot with 1.5yr old packs expired on sale and probably unrefrigerated, just get some artsy results in there.



SX70 is a delight to shoot, still sometimes struggle with what to shoot on it; it's a format by itself and simple large subjects work best.
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The Spectras are very nice, there was a point where I had several of them and a whole accessory kit. But all of mine acted the same way: if I didn't use them all the time, the film advance motors would become sticky and need to be exercised a bazillion times by reloading cassettes with old shots and running them through the camera. If you have an old cassette or two and a stack of exposed prints, try that to resuscitate it.

At some point, I decided to focus my instant efforts on the SX-70 type cameras and sold or gave away all the Spectras and even SX-70 Sonar models. (I prefer manual focus.) My Polaroid kit now includes one original SX-70 and three MiNT SLR670 models (m, a, and x). Plus nearly all the SX-70 accessories. It's more than enough!
I do have the Impulse AF. I prefer the glass lens in the Spectra, but for now it is something to play with. I may probably keep an eye out for an SX-70, but no hurry on that. I may try running my shots through again to see if it helps. Any explanations out there to put the prints back in the cartridge?

EDIT: got it

EDIT2: Just reloaded 4 shots + dark slide- worked perfectly.
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I have not used my SX 70 camera since the early 1990s.

The camera was a surprise find in the inside lining pocket of a used suitcase bought at Goodwill for 5 dollars in the late 1980s.
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Old 01-07-2019   #13
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I do have the Impulse AF. I prefer the glass lens in the Spectra, but for now it is something to play with. I may probably keep an eye out for an SX-70, but no hurry on that. I may try running my shots through again to see if it helps. Any explanations out there to put the prints back in the cartridge?

EDIT: got it

EDIT2: Just reloaded 4 shots + dark slide- worked perfectly.
Good to hear it!

The exposed prints are a bit thinner than the unexposed ones since the pods have been broken already and the processing reagent distributed, but they put enough load on the drive system to exercise it and make it happy if you run them through a few times. Once you get the drive system working the way it ought, it will tend to stay that way unless the camera is left unused for a while again. Sometimes it does take a little coaxing to get the Spectra to run the processing transport ... I suspect the motors in them were just barely up to the task as Polaroid was trying to keep the costs as low as possible.

I enjoyed the Spectras a lot, the bigger print is nice sometimes, but I found I preferred the SX-70's square format ... and of course the versatility of an SLR and 7" to infinity focusing range with no attachments needed is hard to beat! It's simply an amazing camera considering when it was released and the incredible technology in it, both camera and film. It's truly a camera way ahead of its time.

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Oi, there's a new years' sale at PO store. Sadly, given that I'm between two locations of Europe, some cameras stay up north with me and others in the Mediterranean (SX70). Few more months of holiday for the SX70 now.

I was pressed to shoot the couple packs I had in the fridge during this holiday break, worried about age. A 9/17 PO Color and IP BW 2.0 from 01/2016. Both have been behaving fine! The PO is still rather good and the IP holds with some aging quirks.

Last year I shot with 1.5yr old packs expired on sale and probably unrefrigerated, just get some artsy results in there.

SX70 is a delight to shoot, still sometimes struggle with what to shoot on it; it's a format by itself and simple large subjects work best.
I've had IP film last three-four years if I keep it refrigerated. However, due to work going on and changes in my condo over the past four years, all my refrigerated stock of IP film had been pulled out and left to sit in a box for all that time, forgotten. When I refound it and tested it, only one pack out of ten produced any results worth speaking of. A sad loss: I ended up tossing almost thirty packs of film, cost me a fortune at $23 apiece. That's why I now buy in smaller quantities and try to use it on a reasonably prompt basis.

I agree about the 'simple large subjects' ... it's certainly not the right camera for high detail work. The aesthetic of good photos made with the SX-70 is very much its own and nearly impossible to synthesize ... I've got a few apps which try and a couple do a decent job of making nice photos, but I can always tell that it isn't SX-70 film that made the exposure.

The SLR670x is new to me, very recent addition. It pulls everything together giving 600 speed calibration natively, auto for both 100 and 600 film, manual exposure, and flash synch as well. It makes stocking film easy since I don't have to worry about whether I've got 600 or 100 left when I want to use it.

And with that, I'm grabbing one of the cameras and heading out for a bicycle ride while it's still clear outside. I wonder if I'll see any photographs today?

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I see some banding issues.
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I see some banding issues.
Yes, there are often banding issues, particularly in low light levels. It's the nature of this film medium. At higher light levels, they are less likely to appear and/or are less apparent in the image. They're also more likely to appear with the color film than the B&W film.

There are always quirks to instant film captures. You either accept them as part of the aesthetic or you move on to other technologies.
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I'm curious if anyone has what I'd call "sharp" as versus "artsy" photos from any of these cameras ? Peter
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I'm curious if anyone has what I'd call "sharp" as versus "artsy" photos from any of these cameras ? Peter
What would you call "sharp"?



I'd call that sharp.
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I do kind of like the warm tone the B&W films have.
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I do kind of like the warm tone the B&W films have.
Yes, they have a very pretty tone.

Current pack in the SLR670m is a pack of PO 600 B&W, so it's going to be all manual exposure or flash (ISO 100 camera for automatic, which means juggling the light/dark control all the way over to dark for 600 film, when I remember...)

I haven't decided what film to put in the SLR670x MING Edition just yet for my first tests with it. The black satin finish and metal body cladding, rather than leather, give it a different, more "serious" feel.

I so love these cameras and the photos they produce...

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^^^ Thanks for getting back to me , I'm assuming from the photo that the distant billboard was the point of focus ? Not being a smart ass , just not too convinced they'd fill the bill for me ( as mentioned , it ain't cheap ) ! Peter
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^^^ Thanks for getting back to me , I'm assuming from the photo that the distant billboard was the point of focus ? Not being a smart ass , just not too convinced they'd fill the bill for me ( as mentioned , it ain't cheap ) ! Peter
If you're looking for 35mm film or digital camera detail resolution, an integral film Polaroid is not the right camera.

The point of focus was the bicycle, but I was shooting through the window of the cafe so the lettering on the tires and the spokes don't resolve quite as nicely as the 30" tall lettering on the billboard in the background. I can just make out the words on the tires looking at the original print with a loupe, they're a bit degraded in this limited resolution JPEG. Of course, it was a bright sunny day and the lens' aperture was likely stopped all the way down to f/32, I think, (as evidenced by the fact that foreground details like the umbrella and hanging lights are equally as sharp as the bicycle) so there is perhaps also a bit of diffraction reducing ultimate resolution.

But ultimate resolution is not what these cameras are about, nor big prints either. The original prints generally appear sharper and clearer than scans or copy photos due to the way the light goes into the emulsion and reflects back to your eye. They have a depth and dimensionality which is very difficult to capture in reproductions.

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Thanks again for getting back to me , as you mentioned it's probably not the medium for me , but there is something about them that keeps me looking .
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I just pulled out two Polaroid cameras that I ended up with, and had no idea if they are operational or not. One is a Spectra SE Autofocus the other Impulse SE Autofocus. I bought two B&W film packs from Amazon. Just started testing today. The Spectra has issues. If I rap it a few times against a hard surface I can get a shot out. The Impulse seems to work fine. The Spectra is the better camera, but that's life! The film is from Polaroid originals ultimately, also. The Spectra uses Spectra film, and the Impulse uses Type 600.
There seems to be some problems with the Spectra films from Polaroid Originals. Have not used Spectra lately but there is some information to be found on YouTube and on a website (http://www.polaroid-passion.com/foru...blème+spectra- . It's in French but Google Translate can help. Dit the dark slide come out normal?
The 600 type films do not have the problem as far as I know.
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There seems to be some problems with the Spectra films from Polaroid Originals. Have not used Spectra lately but there is some information to be found on YouTube and on a website (http://www.polaroid-passion.com/foru...blème+spectra- . It's in French but Google Translate can help. Dit the dark slide come out normal?
The 600 type films do not have the problem as far as I know.
I believe it is the Spectra processor's motor more than the films. While I have seen this problem with a few of the 600 box cameras (never with an SX-70), it used to happen with all my Spectras from time to time, through all the generations of film I had them for (Impossible v0 to Polaroid Originals).

I suspect the Spectra processor motor is just slightly under spec for the reborn film units. The reborn film units are a scant bit thicker than the original Polaroid film units were (that's why the new film has only 8 exposures per pack vs the originals' 10 exposures per pack). I conjecture that this is putting a load on the Spectra processor motor that puts it right on the edge. Any additional resistance in the processor system and it will not be able to function properly.

My experiments and practice was to keep the Spectra units in top shape by keeping them very clean and exercising them regularly with exposed film. The exposed film never jams, and is a little bit thinner than the unexposed film with packets, so this supports my theory. A tiny touch of light lubricant on the roller pins and gears seemed to help a lot too.

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