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Old 11-11-2018   #41
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By no means am I in favor of a 100% Leica lens lineup. I myself use and prefer different brands for certain focal lengths. I suppose the point I'm trying to make is that there are a few Leica lenses that warrant their price, not only in terms of build quality, but in their ability to produce unique image characteristics. If you exclude a lens solely because of its (relatively) high price, you could be missing out on a truly wonderful photographic experience.
I see. I do agree with you on this - I'm certainly missing out the unique travel experience of a personal jet too, solely because I cannot afford it. But I'm not really missing it, you know...

There're many expensive and unique experiences that I have missed in my life. A $6590 lens is one of them, and let there be neither shame nor sorry by saying it, again: I cannot afford it. Wonderful (but is it $6000 more wonderful?) it surely is (it better be), but I know I could make even better use of the money elsewhere...photographically.
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Some people will buy 5 crap items that add up to 1 nice item.
I guess you have to define what a crap lens is.
If the lens gives the photographer the image that he/she is looking for, it is an excellent lens.

All my Leica lenses are garbage (apart from the 28 2.8 asph) when it comes to flare resistance. So if the intention in my images is to not have flare in them, Leica glass sucks. And are very expensive.

For heavy backlit images, with minimal flare, my ZM Planar 50 f2 is waaaay better than my 5 times more expensive 50 Summilux Asph.
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Well KR suggests a 50/2 Summicron over the Konica

Options are great
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Well KR suggests a 50/2 Summicron over the Konica

Options are great

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I guess you have to define what a crap lens is.
If the lens gives the photographer the image that he/she is looking for, it is an excellent lens.

All my Leica lenses are garbage (apart from the 28 2.8 asph) when it comes to flare resistance. So if the intention in my images is to not have flare in them, Leica glass sucks. And are very expensive.

For heavy backlit images, with minimal flare, my ZM Planar 50 f2 is waaaay better than my 5 times more expensive 50 Summilux Asph.
Hey, you're the one with the pricey Leica lens

Is the Planar used exclusively for flare-prone scenes? If not, why even own the Lux asph?
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Hey, you're the one with the pricey Leica lens

Is the Planar used exclusively for flare-prone scenes? If not, why even own the Lux asph?
Cuz I got suckered into the 'y have a Leica if you don't use Leica lenses' crowd before I knew better.

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Old 11-11-2018   #48
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I read too many times about falling modern Leica lenses.
I have seen several reports on problems with 28 2.8 ASPH.
I think current Leica line up holds the crappy lenses crown. Based on amount of failed current Leica lenses reports I have seen on LUF.
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Old 11-11-2018   #49
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I'm happy with the 50mm Elmar and 50mm Summitar lenses that came attached to the Leica SM cameras I was buying. Otherwise, my Voigtlanders, Nikkors, and occasionally Zeiss lenses are more than good enough for regular usage, and plus I can afford more film.
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Old 11-11-2018   #50
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Well KR suggests a 50/2 Summicron over the Konica

Options are great
KR has never used the Konicas, he only pretends he has. Also he can't make any money out of Konica so he pushes the Leicas.
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Old 11-24-2018   #51
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In stock at Amazon for $486.
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Old 11-24-2018   #52
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KR has never used the Konicas, he only pretends he has. Also he can't make any money out of Konica so he pushes the Leicas.
I read Ken Rockwell and I would NOT say he has given Leica digital a blessing! Awful colors etc.
Konica was a flash in pan and soon no more..
the film Leica reports and images is another story, POSITIVE!
I love all the "flare" about Leica (true) but using a friend's Mono and Zeiss Planar I detected same flare as my ancient Collapsible Summicron, under same conditions..mmm!
One of the worst lenses for flare, stars and other excitements was a 58 mm Zeiss Biotar on my Spotmatic.
I sold it for the non-flare Pentax Super-Takumar and soon regretted that sale!
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so many posts and nothing about this lens..

I have seen it on pre-order on eBay from France for 499€. I think it will be cheaper later so I will wait.
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Looks to be a really interesting lens, and I'm finding that lately I've been gravitating to wide angle lenses more....

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Old 11-24-2018   #56
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Got mine for $360USD directly from 7artisans (e-mail them: sales [at] 7artisans.com) with DHL Express shipping. Should arrive Monday according to tracking
nice thanks for the heads up!

Looking forward to u posting images.

$360 vs $7000 for the Leica. Some foibles can be forgiven/encouraged!
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360 is a pretty amazing price if it has solid build/performance.
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Old 11-24-2018   #58
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To put it into perspective, this lens is only a few dollars more than just the lens hood for the Leica 28 1.4!
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I saw some reviews that say it flares terribly. I think that would get annoying. But... for $360.. why not.
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It has a weird apparently intentional ring flare that puts it out of the running for me.
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Old 11-26-2018   #61
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Received it today! What a nice lens. Great build quality. Now with click-stops on the aperture ring (50/1.1 doesn't have this). Much "smaller" than I expected. Blocks a little of the bottom right of the VF on my M8, no big deal really.


Here are some pics of the lens mounted on a Sony A7R and M8:




Will take some pics with the lens on my A7R tomorrow, sun is soon setting here...
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Will take some pics with the lens on my A7R tomorrow, sun is soon setting here...
Looking forward to hearing about your impressions of it as a Sony lens...
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Old 11-27-2018   #63
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Deeply impressed with this lens. Sharp wide open, nice OOF areas wide open, I don't see much vignetting wide open in everyday practical use.

What annoyed me a couple of times is the flaring when strong light enters the lens. Some CA also, very easy to edit out in ACR.

Here's a couple of samples, shot on the Sony A7R:



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More flare:

















Build quality is excellent, focusing is super smooth and aperture too. Now with click stops at each f-stop (which the 50/1.1 lens doesn't have). Maybe the ring could be less dampened with snappier clicks but it works fine.

I don't know but I think this lens is killer for the price... I'd give it a strong 4.5/5. Highly recommended!
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I would buy this in a second if it didn't have that ring flare. I hate it. And I'm a 7A fan.
I hope they bring out a revised version.

When Leica first released the $8ooo 50 APO Summicron, it too had flare issues...
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I saw some reviews that say it flares terribly. I think that would get annoying. But... for $360.. why not.
It would be then a "shadows lens" which still may work in at least 50% of all images.
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Looks very interesting. And a LOT faster than most low cost 28mm. I think it's a great lens esp for someone like me with an Epson camera: I don't need to worry about having a Leica lens on it.
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Old 11-28-2018   #67
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The flaring affects pictures only if you are pointing the camera towards the light source I guess.

Posted some RAW-files (36MP Sony A7R) here if anyone is interested.
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I would buy this in a second if it didn't have that ring flare. I hate it. And I'm a 7A fan.
I hope they bring out a revised version.

When Leica first released the $8ooo 50 APO Summicron, it too had flare issues...
Heard from a friend who had tested a prototype that 7Artisan promised him a revised version without the intentional ring flare, which they somehow thought would be a low-fi-ish selling point...
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Is there a hood for this lens? If so, who makes it? Thanks.
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Is there a hood for this lens? If so, who makes it? Thanks.
Any of the generic screw-in hood would work. Also with the filter size being 52mm (the outer diameter is 56mm), I suspect most of the legacy hoods like the Nikon HN-1, HN-2, HN-3 and the slip-on HK-2 would fit as well.
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I'm guessing that quite a few portrait / wedding photogs will actually buy the lens specifically for the ring flare (flair!).
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Any of the generic screw-in hood would work. Also with the filter size being 52mm (the outer diameter is 56mm), I suspect most of the legacy hoods like the Nikon HN-1, HN-2, HN-3 and the slip-on HK-2 would fit as well.
You may need to experiment. With the 50 1.1 I had to use a step up filter ring and use a larger lens hood as the threaded size causes hard vignetting.
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The flaring affects pictures only if you are pointing the camera towards the light source I guess.

Posted some RAW-files (36MP Sony A7R) here if anyone is interested.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folde..._B?usp=sharing
Lens does seem to perform really well in the corners of the image on your Sony a7r . It must have been designed with mirrorless in mind .Can you shed the light on what f stops you have used ?
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Should 7artisans be in a section for 'other M mount lens' rather than crashing the Leica lens thread?
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You may need to experiment. With the 50 1.1 I had to use a step up filter ring and use a larger lens hood as the threaded size causes hard vignetting.
Haven't got the lens yet but I'm sure now the HK-2 won't fit...
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Anyone here who has both, the VC 28/1,9 and the 7artisans, and can post a few images next to each other for size comparison?
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Price is $486USD, I received a special price apparently. Sorry if anyone got the wrong info!
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I just ordered one. The 35mmc review (here:https://www.35mmc.com/16/11/2018/7ar...f-1-4-preview/) pushed me over the edge, it says that the ring flare is only visible at fully open 1.4, even turning the aperture ring slightly to about 1.5 it disappears completely! Very very excited for that lens, only downside is the long delivery time of approx. 1 month from china to austria..oh well
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I'm seriously considering this lens as a fun new addition to my "collection".

But I'm stumped as to why the aperture progression skips 11 -- the progression goes 1.4, 2, 2.8, 4, 5.6, 8, 16.

I had a chance to handle this lens yesterday and I watched the aperture circle close as I moved the aperture ring through its stops. The area of the circle appears to reduce by about 1/2 (half) when moving from 8 to 16, so I would expect the progression to actually be 8 to 11.

So, is this a typographic error? Is there something magical happening in this lens that requires a skip over f/11? Does anyone know? Any wild guesses?
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11 could be an "unlucky number" in some horoscope?
Hotels often skip the 13th floor. Why?
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